I have found out the issue with this but am more puzzled than before.
If I re-comment out 

          <Manager
className="org.apache.catalina.session.PersistentManager"
              debug="0"
              saveOnRestart="false"
              maxActiveSessions="-1"
              minIdleSwap="-1"
              maxIdleSwap="-1"
              maxIdleBackup="-1">
                <Store
className="org.apache.catalina.session.FileStore"/>
          </Manager>

from my server.xml it all works hunky dory.
Anyone know why adding this in will cause it to fail.
I could really do with having this in I think as I am having issues
with persistent objects
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