Re: https -- http session problem

2003-11-19 Thread Adam Hardy
On 11/19/2003 03:58 AM Henrik Bentel wrote: Had an application which had 3 different types of users: One group should be authenticated using https only to protect password, then switch to http, but sometimes switch back to https again. This is my main requirement. Ideally what I would like to

Re: https -- http session problem

2003-11-18 Thread Harry Mantheakis
Hello On 11/17/2003 06:32 AM Andrew Mottaz wrote: Option 1 is unacceptable -- the overhead of having all of these connections encrypted is not a viable option. What are the 'overheads' in using SSL? How much harder does the server have to work, and - in practice - what sort of performance

Re: https -- http session problem

2003-11-18 Thread Adam Hardy
On 11/18/2003 07:45 AM Bill Barker wrote: You'll have to go back at least two years to get the tomcat-dev discussion ;-). I had another search for it but can't find anything. Ploughing thro the whole list of threads doesn't fit in my schedule unfortunately. I guess I'm just going to have sit on

Re: https -- http session problem

2003-11-18 Thread Christopher Schultz
Harry, Option 1 is unacceptable -- the overhead of having all of these connections encrypted is not a viable option. What are the 'overheads' in using SSL? How much harder does the server have to work, and - in practice - what sort of performance impact does this have? I don't have any numbers,

Re: https -- http session problem

2003-11-18 Thread Harry Mantheakis
Hello Chris Thank you so much for the feed-back. It is a very useful insight, and much appreciated! Kind regards Harry Mantheakis London, UK Harry, Option 1 is unacceptable -- the overhead of having all of these connections encrypted is not a viable option. What are the 'overheads' in

Re: https -- http session problem

2003-11-18 Thread Henrik Bentel
I ran into this issue about 2 years ago and posted the same question. Had an application which had 3 different types of users: One group should be authenticated using https only to protect password, then switch to http, but sometimes switch back to https again. Other group should be

Re: https -- http session problem

2003-11-17 Thread Adam Hardy
On 11/17/2003 06:32 AM Andrew Mottaz wrote: http://nagoya.apache.org/bugzilla. However, there aren't very many developers who like the idea of allowing you to hang yourself :). Thanks much for the tip -- I have to disagree about this not being a necessary change. There are plenty of apps where

RE: https -- http session problem

2003-11-17 Thread Andy Eastham
: 17 November 2003 05:32 To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: https -- http session problem http://nagoya.apache.org/bugzilla. However, there aren't very many developers who like the idea of allowing you to hang yourself :). Thanks much for the tip -- I have to disagree about this not being

Re: https -- http session problem

2003-11-17 Thread Andrew Mottaz
On 11/17/2003 06:32 AM Andrew Mottaz wrote: http://nagoya.apache.org/bugzilla. However, there aren't very many developers who like the idea of allowing you to hang yourself :). Thanks much for the tip -- I have to disagree about this not being a necessary change. There are plenty of apps

Re: https -- http session problem

2003-11-17 Thread Adam Hardy
On 11/17/2003 05:15 PM Andrew Mottaz wrote: Also, as far as I can see, the java community has decided that once you start a secure session, you should stay in a secure session, for various security reasons. Are you doing a secure login and then redirecting back to http afterwards? Imagine the

Re: https -- http session problem

2003-11-17 Thread Kevin Williams
I read this post and have a question...and maybe I'm not understanding https correctly, but why is your login PAGE secure? I wouldn't care if someone sees an empty page with a prompt for the username and password. The post should be secure though... In other words... can't you have a page

Re: https -- http session problem

2003-11-17 Thread Andrew Mottaz
You are correct -- it is a user perception issue -- that makes my argument a bit less persuasive -- but -- I still say give the developer control. Andrew I read this post and have a question...and maybe I'm not understanding https correctly, but why is your login PAGE secure? I wouldn't care

Re: https -- http session problem

2003-11-17 Thread Adam Hardy
On 11/17/2003 11:58 PM Kevin Williams wrote: I read this post and have a question...and maybe I'm not understanding https correctly, but why is your login PAGE secure? I wouldn't care if someone sees an empty page with a prompt for the username and password. The post should be secure though...

Re: https -- http session problem

2003-11-17 Thread Bill Barker
Adam Hardy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 11/17/2003 05:15 PM Andrew Mottaz wrote: Also, as far as I can see, the java community has decided that once you start a secure session, you should stay in a secure session, for various security reasons. Are you doing a

Re: https -- http session problem

2003-11-16 Thread Andrew Mottaz
Why is this the case, and where does one put in an enhancement request? I can see the argument for wanting the OPTION of forcing secure connections or losing your session, but to not even have the option of having the session cookie be insecure doesn't make much sense. I understand the potential

Re: https -- http session problem

2003-11-16 Thread Bill Barker
Andrew Mottaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Why is this the case, and where does one put in an enhancement request? I can see the argument for wanting the OPTION of forcing secure connections or losing your session, but to not even have the option of having the

Re: https -- http session problem

2003-11-16 Thread Andrew Mottaz
http://nagoya.apache.org/bugzilla. However, there aren't very many developers who like the idea of allowing you to hang yourself :). Thanks much for the tip -- I have to disagree about this not being a necessary change. There are plenty of apps where people browse without a secure

Re: https -- http session problem

2003-11-15 Thread Bill Barker
Andrew Mottaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I've run into the problem where a session cookie gets lost when you start on http and move to https. The reason seems to be that 'secure=true' is set on the session cookie when you start on https, preventing the cookie

https -- http session problem

2003-11-14 Thread Andrew Mottaz
I've run into the problem where a session cookie gets lost when you start on http and move to https. The reason seems to be that 'secure=true' is set on the session cookie when you start on https, preventing the cookie from being passed to the http page. I found the following in the archives: