Hey, I have found that the wrapper.properties file included with TC3.3m3 specifies what I think is the wrong startup class. what is specified is wrapper.startup_class=org.apache.tomcat.startup.Tomcat This will only work if you specify all the jars lib/apps lib/common and lib/container as wrapper.class_path properties. In order to make TC work like it does from the startup scripts I needed to change the startup class to be: wrapper.startup_class=org.apache.tomcat.startup.Main HTH *********************************************************** Brett Knights 250-338-3509 work [EMAIL PROTECTED] 250-334-8309 home ***********************************************************