RE: jsp versus xml syntax

2003-01-14 Thread Noel J. Bergman
The first snippet works if and only if your jsp file is entirely XML-formatted. That was not true in earlier versions of the JSP specification, and is explicitly changed in JSP v2.0. XML syntax in user author pages is only broken in the current JSP specification. --- Noel -- To

RE: jsp versus xml syntax

2003-01-14 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Do yourself a favor and skip learning the XML syntax. It's for tools, not people. Oh, I would argue that considerably. In fact I did. That is no longer true in JSP v2.0. It is absolutely an absurdity to treat jsp:action|custom-tag differently from

Re: jsp versus xml syntax

2003-01-14 Thread Erik Price
Noel J. Bergman wrote: Do yourself a favor and skip learning the XML syntax. It's for tools, not people. Oh, I would argue that considerably. In fact I did. That is no longer true in JSP v2.0. It is absolutely an absurdity to treat jsp:action|custom-tag differently from

Re: jsp versus xml syntax

2003-01-14 Thread Craig R. McClanahan
On Tue, 14 Jan 2003, Erik Price wrote: Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 10:11:32 -0500 From: Erik Price [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Tomcat Users List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tomcat Users List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: jsp versus xml syntax Noel J. Bergman wrote: Do yourself a favor and skip

Re: jsp versus xml syntax

2003-01-14 Thread Erik Price
Craig R. McClanahan wrote: To get the whole answer, you need to download and read the JSP spec. http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/download.html That's on my to-read list, after the HTTP spec and the servlet spec. I don't think it's going to happen overnight ;) . The short answer: In

RE: jsp versus xml syntax

2003-01-14 Thread Noel J. Bergman
So for the record, what is allowed and what isn't? Sorry that I am so confused about this. JSP 1.0 and 1.1 were somewhat loose on the XML representation of JSP pages. JSP 1.2 introduced a fully formal representation known as a JSP Document, complete with jsp:root element, and explicitly says:

RE: jsp versus xml syntax

2003-01-14 Thread Craig R. McClanahan
On Tue, 14 Jan 2003, Noel J. Bergman wrote: [snip] I happen to agree with Craig that it is a waste of time for a newbie to learn both syntaxes. But it should be clear from my argument which syntax I consider appropriate for teaching. I wonder if we agree on something else as well :-). I

Re: jsp versus xml syntax

2003-01-14 Thread Erik Price
Craig R. McClanahan wrote: I feel that users who use variable declarations, function declarations, and scriptlets in JSP pages *at all* (no matter what syntax) are probably making a mistake. Mixing Java code with JSP code is likely to lead to a morass of spaghetti that mixes business logic

RE: jsp versus xml syntax

2003-01-14 Thread Wendy Smoak
My best guess is that you're referring to creating a custom tag of some sort that displays the navigation, and the logic for what to display should be tucked away into the tag definition? I'm only guessing here. If you could expound a bit that would be helpful for a lot of us, I'm sure.

RE: jsp versus xml syntax

2003-01-14 Thread Noel J. Bergman
I wonder if we agree on something else as well :-). I feel that users who use variable declarations, function declarations, and scriptlets in JSP pages *at all* (no matter what syntax) are probably making a mistake. It is however, useful for rapid prototyping, and in JSP v2 you can *and want

Re: jsp versus xml syntax

2003-01-14 Thread Craig R. McClanahan
On Tue, 14 Jan 2003, Erik Price wrote: Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 16:45:43 -0500 From: Erik Price [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Tomcat Users List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tomcat Users List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: jsp versus xml syntax Craig R. McClanahan wrote: I feel that users who

Re: jsp versus xml syntax

2003-01-14 Thread Peter Harrison
On Wed, 15 Jan 2003 10:45, Erik Price wrote: But in that JSP, there is a conditional test to determine whether or not certain links should be displayed. Namely, administrative functions should not be displayed to users who don't have administrative access. The way I have it right now is an

RE: jsp versus xml syntax

2003-01-14 Thread Tolles, James
-Original Message- From: Craig R. McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 3:48 PM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: jsp versus xml syntax On Tue, 14 Jan 2003, Erik Price wrote: Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 16:45:43 -0500 From: Erik Price [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: jsp versus xml syntax

2003-01-14 Thread Kris Schneider
to not have scriptlet code has been reduce to a suggestion. Thanks, James -Original Message- From: Craig R. McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 3:48 PM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: jsp versus xml syntax On Tue, 14 Jan 2003, Erik Price wrote

RE: jsp versus xml syntax

2003-01-14 Thread Craig R. McClanahan
On Tue, 14 Jan 2003, Tolles, James wrote: Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 18:37:46 -0800 From: Tolles, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Tomcat Users List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Tomcat Users List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: jsp versus xml syntax I've just completed a long grueling year of jsp

jsp versus xml syntax

2003-01-13 Thread Jeff Ousley
Hello! I'm using (learning) tomcat-4.1.18 and I'm trying to get the following example page to work: HTML jsp:declaration // this is a local helper bean for processing the HTML form static public class localBean { private String value; public String getValue() { return value;}

Re: jsp versus xml syntax

2003-01-13 Thread Craig R. McClanahan
On Mon, 13 Jan 2003, Jeff Ousley wrote: Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 10:49:51 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Ousley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Tomcat Users List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: jsp versus xml syntax Hello! I'm using (learning) tomcat-4.1.18 and I'm trying to get

Re: jsp versus xml syntax

2003-01-13 Thread Robert Horton
Hi, I think I'm having trouble first of all because much of the syntax is in xml form not jsp form. Is this correct? How do I use the xml syntax under tomcat 4? I'm very new and still learning. It goes: jsp - xml (or html) - rendered by browser i.e. the jsp is executed by the server to

Re: jsp versus xml syntax

2003-01-13 Thread Jeff Ousley
So, under tomcat 4.1 am I not able to do this: jsp:declaration // this is a local helper bean for processing the HTML form static public class localBean { private String value; public String getValue() { return value;} public void setValue(String s) { value = s; } }

RE: jsp versus xml syntax

2003-01-13 Thread Jeff Ousley
To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: jsp versus xml syntax So, under tomcat 4.1 am I not able to do this: jsp:declaration // this is a local helper bean for processing the HTML form static public class localBean { private String value; public String getValue() { return