Re: JSP Newbie seeking guidance

2005-10-11 Thread Glen Mazza

Justin Jaynes wrote:


I would HIGHLY recommend using SuSE Linux 10 which can
be purchased or download from Novell directly at
suse.com.  Also, see the openSuSE project (essentially
the open source community effort half of the
SuSE/novell team).

I used to run RedHat but was disappointed in the drop
to Fedora.  I tried SuSE a few years ago and have
never looked back.  So easy to install and configure. 
The YaST systems management tool is amazing.  You can

still do everything the manual way (and I do
sometimes).  But the firewall is easy and strong, the
package management is simple, the install resizes
partitions (even NTFS).  Just so many highly polished
surfaces there.  Try SuSE and see if you ever go back.

I have run tomcat and SuSE in production for over a
year and not had a problem and am now in the process
of upgrading my production server to SuSE 10 and
tomcat 5.5.12.  So far so good.  It's all working in
my development area.  The improvements in 5.5.12 are
EXCELLENT.  But there are significant changes in how
you set up the server.xml file, so read up on the 5.5
doc page.  I had previously only been using 5.0.x. 
ALso, I had some glitchy problems with 5.5.9.  No

reason to download it now anyhow, since 5.5.12 is
stable release.

I also recommend PostgreSQL 8.0 from postgresql.org if
you need database (as i imagine you must) (open source
and fully ansiSQL standard and RDBMS compliant, unlike
mySQL --don't yell at me for saying so, please-- i
know how much many people love mySQL.

You have to build Postgresql from source on SuSE 10
since no rpms are out in the combination of those
versions of SuSE and PGSQL.  I tired to use older
RPMS--not a good idea.  But the build and install went
perfectly.  Be sure you have the proper dev packages
installed before you try.  If not, the documentation
tells all you need to know.

PostgreSQL 8.0, Tomcat 5.5.12, and SuSE 10 are real
winners.  I have had --no-- problems with the past
versions, and these new versions seem up to par or
better.

I LOVE SuSE 10.0 for my desktop environment/school
computing/web surfing/DVD watching(i use KDE) and run
everything just described on my Dell Inspiron 6000
notebook.  That's my developemnt envrionment. 
Obviously the combination of KDE and the servers on a
notebook are no match for my production environment. 
but I must say, my notebook and the software on it do

all I ever ask them to--school work, web surfing,
large SQL routines, JVM, Tomcat--and a fair bit of
graphics design.  All on open source software.  What a
wonderful world we live in.  (The DVD's I run on XINE,
which I had to build, since XINE is stripped down for
leagal reasons in SuSE 10, but the build installed
great and runs with no problem just by typing xine in
KDE).

Justin
--with more to say than you probably wanted to here



By no means--useful to me as well.  Thanks for sharing.

Glen


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Re: JSP Newbie seeking guidance

2005-10-11 Thread John Geiger
Not at all, Justin. Thank you, thank you!

Also, thank you, Mark Eggers.

As I am so new to this, I run the risk of veering off-topic, which I realize
is inappropriate. That said, I will get my newbie noggin back into the
woodshed so that I may be true to this list.

Best wishes,
John G.


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 Justin
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Re: JSP Newbie seeking guidance

2005-10-11 Thread Justin Jaynes
John,

If you need help with setting up the environment I
described (and BOY could I have used help my first
time--mostly I tutored myself and failed and failed
before succeeding) you can ask me and I will know at
least where to point you for relevant information.  I
assume you have done your own building of software
packages from source like PostgreSQL, but if you
haven't, that alone can feel like a daunting
task--really, its quite simple.  Just email me
directly and I'll fill you in as much as I can.

Justin

--- John Geiger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Not at all, Justin. Thank you, thank you!
 
 Also, thank you, Mark Eggers.
 
 As I am so new to this, I run the risk of veering
 off-topic, which I realize
 is inappropriate. That said, I will get my newbie
 noggin back into the
 woodshed so that I may be true to this list.
 
 Best wishes,
 John G.
 
 
 on 10/10/05 10:11 PM, Justin Jaynes at
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Justin
  --with more to say than you probably wanted to
 here
 
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Re: JSP Newbie seeking guidance

2005-10-10 Thread Glen Mazza

John Geiger escribió:

Hello:

This is a little intimidating, but I am eager. I hope I am in the right
place.

I am a DHTML developer‹intermediate level. I¹ve been exposed to JSP on an
iPlanet server, Sun OS 5.8 (but it is my client¹s production server, and I¹m
reluctant to mess around there!)

I now have my own Tomcat install kind-of-working on a Fedora Core 2 box. It
is Tomcat 5.0.x with Apache 1.3.



Besides the other answers you will get, I would think you would want to 
run Tomcat standalone (i.e., have it process HTML pages as well), and 
not bother with connecting it to the Apache web server.  You are just 
learning about JSP right now; not hosting web applications, so Apache is 
probably an unnecessary distraction at this time.


Glen

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Re: JSP Newbie seeking guidance

2005-10-10 Thread John Geiger
I am avoiding the real issue--OK, I am ready to face it:

javax.servlet.ServletException: javax.servlet.jsp.JspTagException: In
lt;drivergt;, invalid driver class name:
java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: com.mysql.jdbc.Driver

This is the error I get running an exercise from the Apress book. I can not
seem to find my way using Google.

I think maybe MySQL is not installed--or I am missing an important
file...somewhere!

Eeek. Thanks.


on 10/10/05 8:45 PM, Glen Mazza at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 John Geiger escribió:
 Hello:
 
 This is a little intimidating, but I am eager. I hope I am in the right
 place.
 
 I am a DHTML developer‹intermediate level. I¹ve been exposed to JSP on an
 iPlanet server, Sun OS 5.8 (but it is my client¹s production server, and I¹m
 reluctant to mess around there!)
 
 I now have my own Tomcat install kind-of-working on a Fedora Core 2 box. It
 is Tomcat 5.0.x with Apache 1.3.
 
 
 Besides the other answers you will get, I would think you would want to
 run Tomcat standalone (i.e., have it process HTML pages as well), and
 not bother with connecting it to the Apache web server.  You are just
 learning about JSP right now; not hosting web applications, so Apache is
 probably an unnecessary distraction at this time.
 
 Glen
 
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Re: JSP Newbie seeking guidance

2005-10-10 Thread Mark Eggers
I am not familiar with the book.

If they are recommending using Tomcat's connection
pools and JNDI, then you will need to add the jar file
that contains the MySQL driver to
$CATALINA_HOME/common/lib.

If you are connecting to the database directly from
your web application then you probably need to place
the jar file containing the MySQL driver in
$CATALINA_HOME/webapps/app-name/WEB-INF/lib, where
app-name is the name of your application.

You can pick up the MySQL jdbc driver from:

http://dev.mysql.com/downloads/connector/j/3.1.html

If you are just starting out on jsp/servlet
programming, then running Tomcat standalone is
probably a good first choice.

The later versions of Tomcat (5.5.x) perform pretty
much the same as Apache 2.0.x for static pages.  

Coupling Apache and Tomcat together makes sense when
you start using some of the features that Apache
supports but that Tomcat may not be optimal for.

HTH

/mde/

--- John Geiger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I am avoiding the real issue--OK, I am ready to face
 it:
 
 javax.servlet.ServletException:
 javax.servlet.jsp.JspTagException: In
 lt;drivergt;, invalid driver class name:
 java.lang.ClassNotFoundException:
 com.mysql.jdbc.Driver
 
 This is the error I get running an exercise from the
 Apress book. I can not
 seem to find my way using Google.
 
 I think maybe MySQL is not installed--or I am
 missing an important
 file...somewhere!
 
 Eeek. Thanks.
 




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Re: JSP Newbie seeking guidance

2005-10-10 Thread Justin Jaynes
I would HIGHLY recommend using SuSE Linux 10 which can
be purchased or download from Novell directly at
suse.com.  Also, see the openSuSE project (essentially
the open source community effort half of the
SuSE/novell team).

I used to run RedHat but was disappointed in the drop
to Fedora.  I tried SuSE a few years ago and have
never looked back.  So easy to install and configure. 
The YaST systems management tool is amazing.  You can
still do everything the manual way (and I do
sometimes).  But the firewall is easy and strong, the
package management is simple, the install resizes
partitions (even NTFS).  Just so many highly polished
surfaces there.  Try SuSE and see if you ever go back.

I have run tomcat and SuSE in production for over a
year and not had a problem and am now in the process
of upgrading my production server to SuSE 10 and
tomcat 5.5.12.  So far so good.  It's all working in
my development area.  The improvements in 5.5.12 are
EXCELLENT.  But there are significant changes in how
you set up the server.xml file, so read up on the 5.5
doc page.  I had previously only been using 5.0.x. 
ALso, I had some glitchy problems with 5.5.9.  No
reason to download it now anyhow, since 5.5.12 is
stable release.

I also recommend PostgreSQL 8.0 from postgresql.org if
you need database (as i imagine you must) (open source
and fully ansiSQL standard and RDBMS compliant, unlike
mySQL --don't yell at me for saying so, please-- i
know how much many people love mySQL.

You have to build Postgresql from source on SuSE 10
since no rpms are out in the combination of those
versions of SuSE and PGSQL.  I tired to use older
RPMS--not a good idea.  But the build and install went
perfectly.  Be sure you have the proper dev packages
installed before you try.  If not, the documentation
tells all you need to know.

PostgreSQL 8.0, Tomcat 5.5.12, and SuSE 10 are real
winners.  I have had --no-- problems with the past
versions, and these new versions seem up to par or
better.

I LOVE SuSE 10.0 for my desktop environment/school
computing/web surfing/DVD watching(i use KDE) and run
everything just described on my Dell Inspiron 6000
notebook.  That's my developemnt envrionment. 
Obviously the combination of KDE and the servers on a
notebook are no match for my production environment. 
but I must say, my notebook and the software on it do
all I ever ask them to--school work, web surfing,
large SQL routines, JVM, Tomcat--and a fair bit of
graphics design.  All on open source software.  What a
wonderful world we live in.  (The DVD's I run on XINE,
which I had to build, since XINE is stripped down for
leagal reasons in SuSE 10, but the build installed
great and runs with no problem just by typing xine in
KDE).

Justin
--with more to say than you probably wanted to here

--- John Geiger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hello:
 
 This is a little intimidating, but I am eager. I
 hope I am in the right
 place.
 
 I am a DHTML developer‹intermediate level. I¹ve been
 exposed to JSP on an
 iPlanet server, Sun OS 5.8 (but it is my client¹s
 production server, and I¹m
 reluctant to mess around there!)
 
 I now have my own Tomcat install kind-of-working on
 a Fedora Core 2 box. It
 is Tomcat 5.0.x with Apache 1.3.
 
 I am studying an APress book called ³JSP 2.0 Novice
 to Professional,² but
 get errors with some of the exercises. (The book is
 great! Makes it sound so
 easy ;-)
 
 My main question is: Can someone recommend a proven
 Linux, Apache 2 Tomcat
 5.5 combination‹could be unix, too.
 
 I figure I should set up a stable development rig
 first‹one that I could
 eventually rely on in a light production
 environment.
 
 Also: I am interested in finding a tutor/mentor in
 the San Francisco Bay
 Area.
 
 Any advice would be much appreciated.
 
 Thanks,
 John G.
 
 
 
 
 

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