Re: [OT]web development fee

2005-01-06 Thread Didier McGillis
There is the java pet shop project, which someone eluded to, there are 
offshoots of that project with a good deal of optimization done, and update 
done to the code, there is a free version and another one that is minimal 
charge of $199.

https://betterpetshop.dev.java.net/ another offshoot
http://www.ibatis.com/jpetstore/jpetstore.html
http://www.sygel.com/en/Products/Petstore.html
I'll
From: Daniel Watrous [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Tomcat Users List tomcat-user@jakarta.apache.org
To: Tomcat Users List tomcat-user@jakarta.apache.org
Subject: Re: [OT]web development fee
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 23:02:43 -0700
I have heard of http://www.merchantspace.com/product/index.jsp.  I haven't 
used it though.  A search on Google will likely give you a handful to 
choose from.  Also you might consider taking ideas from the Java Pet Store.

The hourly rate depends on a lot of things.  I can't make a good 
generalization about hourly rate...

Daniel
- Original Message - From: epyonne [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Tomcat Users List tomcat-user@jakarta.apache.org
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 10:30 AM
Subject: Re: [OT]web development fee

Daniel,
Thanks for the response. No, what I develop for my employer is not 
eCommerce
related. They are mostly for internal processing. Some of my web 
application
are used by our call centers.

Among the 3 options that you have stated, I think I will go with either #1
or #3. If I go with #3, do you know where I can find such application?
Also, can you tell me what is the going rate for a contract job like this?
$50/hr, $100/hr, or more? I don't have any idea at all.
Thank you very much for your help and all the other posters' help!
- Original Message - From: Daniel Watrous 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Tomcat Users List tomcat-user@jakarta.apache.org
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 10:00 AM
Subject: Re: [OT]web development fee


Epyonne,
First off, I don't think that you hijacked anyone's thread, but this list
seems to be very sensitive to that (and perhaps more affected by it than
other lists I have seen).
From my experience there are a couple of options you can pursue:
1) You could build the application from the ground up and charge an 
hourly
rate.  The rate will have to be agreed upon by you and the person
contracting you.
2) You could develop the eCommerce application at your own cost and sell 
a
license to it.  In this case you would have more direct control over the
features you build into it.  Also, while this costs you more up front
there
is more possibility to recover the cost in selling multiple licenses.
3) You could purchase a license to an existing application and adapt it 
to
meet your clients' needs.  In this case you would likely charge a flat 
fee
to recover your hard costs for the purchase and an hourly after that for
any
adaptations.  In this case I personally would ask for the hard costs up
front so as to not go to the expense and then have the client change
his/her
mind.
Now about the way you asked your question, I'm not sure if the web
application you have developed for your employer is an eCommerce
application.  In the event that it is eCommerce related you will likely
use
that as a base for whatever you build for your new client.  In this case
you
should discuss with your employer how he feels about you building off of 
a
code base that he has funded.  It may be that you could work out an
arrangement with your employer to accomplish option 3 above, and that 
your
employer will give you a license at a significant savings to you.

As far as contracts go,  you should probably consult with a lawyer for
that.
Daniel
- Original Message - From: epyonne [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Tomcat Users List tomcat-user@jakarta.apache.org
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 7:26 AM
Subject: [OT]web development fee
Since I am using Outlook Express, I did not realize that I was attaching
to
someone else thread and I apologize for that. I am starting a new thread
here and hopefully someone can help me.
I have been developing Java web application for my employer for a few
years,
but these are all running on our company's intranet only. Now someone is
asking me to develop an eCommerce site. I don't know how to charge him.
Can
someone please give me some ideas of the going rate and what kind of
contractual agreement I need? Is there anything else I need to watch out
for?
I am in the United States and I plan to use a commercial hosting company
to
host the site. It will cost around $30-40 a month.
Any help will be very much appreciated.
-
To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

-
To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

-
To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED

RE: [OT]web development fee

2005-01-06 Thread George Sexton
I've got a package I plan on releasing under a  BSD license. It needs some
work, but it's pretty close. The only remaining major task is to port the
reports from an old proprietary reporting application to Datavision. If you
want to see a sample, go to:

http://www.stargateschool.org/sgstore/

The sample is not quite in production, so if you want to try it out, use a
Visa Card # of 4111 (4 followed by 15 1's). I'd appreciate any
feedback.

In many ways, it's very cool. Formats for the items are stored as HTML, and
parsed out. Products can belong to multiple categories, and shopping by
Manufacturer is supported. It does inventory, removing items from the store
when the quantity on hand drops to 0. It also supports quantity pricing
schedules as well as SKU Variants (vary on size, or color but not both).
Support for Accessory SKU's that can be shown in the checkout or cart review
screens. Orders are delivered to the fulfillment person via FAX, PDF or
Encrypted PDF. A CC of the PDF without the card data can also be sent to an
additional person.

It should be portable across PostgreSQL, SQL Server, Oracle, Sybase, and
DB2, but I've only tested PostgreSQL and SQL Server so far.

I'll be the first to admit it could use some more features. Here are things
I'm thinking of:

Localization Support via Resource Bundles
Actual Charge Clearing Support 
Additional Reports
Re-Order Quantities and Notification Messages


George Sexton
MH Software, Inc.
http://www.mhsoftware.com/
Voice: 303 438 9585
  

 -Original Message-
 From: Daniel Watrous [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 11:03 PM
 To: Tomcat Users List
 Subject: Re: [OT]web development fee
 
 I have heard of 
 http://www.merchantspace.com/product/index.jsp.  I haven't 
 used it though.  A search on Google will likely give you a 
 handful to choose 
 from.  Also you might consider taking ideas from the Java Pet Store.
 
 The hourly rate depends on a lot of things.  I can't make a good 
 generalization about hourly rate...
 
 Daniel
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: epyonne [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Tomcat Users List tomcat-user@jakarta.apache.org
 Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 10:30 AM
 Subject: Re: [OT]web development fee
 
 
  Daniel,
 
  Thanks for the response. No, what I develop for my employer is not 
  eCommerce
  related. They are mostly for internal processing. Some of my web 
  application
  are used by our call centers.
 
  Among the 3 options that you have stated, I think I will go 
 with either #1
  or #3. If I go with #3, do you know where I can find such 
 application?
 
  Also, can you tell me what is the going rate for a contract 
 job like this?
  $50/hr, $100/hr, or more? I don't have any idea at all.
 
  Thank you very much for your help and all the other posters' help!
 
 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Daniel Watrous [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: Tomcat Users List tomcat-user@jakarta.apache.org
  Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 10:00 AM
  Subject: Re: [OT]web development fee
 
 
  Epyonne,
 
  First off, I don't think that you hijacked anyone's 
 thread, but this list
  seems to be very sensitive to that (and perhaps more 
 affected by it than
  other lists I have seen).
 
  From my experience there are a couple of options you can pursue:
  1) You could build the application from the ground up and 
 charge an 
  hourly
  rate.  The rate will have to be agreed upon by you and the person
  contracting you.
  2) You could develop the eCommerce application at your own 
 cost and sell 
  a
  license to it.  In this case you would have more direct 
 control over the
  features you build into it.  Also, while this costs you 
 more up front
  there
  is more possibility to recover the cost in selling 
 multiple licenses.
  3) You could purchase a license to an existing application 
 and adapt it 
  to
  meet your clients' needs.  In this case you would likely 
 charge a flat 
  fee
  to recover your hard costs for the purchase and an hourly 
 after that for
  any
  adaptations.  In this case I personally would ask for the 
 hard costs up
  front so as to not go to the expense and then have the 
 client change
  his/her
  mind.
 
  Now about the way you asked your question, I'm not sure if the web
  application you have developed for your employer is an eCommerce
  application.  In the event that it is eCommerce related 
 you will likely
  use
  that as a base for whatever you build for your new client. 
  In this case
  you
  should discuss with your employer how he feels about you 
 building off of 
  a
  code base that he has funded.  It may be that you could work out an
  arrangement with your employer to accomplish option 3 
 above, and that 
  your
  employer will give you a license at a significant savings to you.
 
  As far as contracts go,  you should probably consult with 
 a lawyer for
  that.
 
  Daniel
 
  - Original Message - 
  From: epyonne

[OT]web development fee

2005-01-05 Thread epyonne
Sorry if this is a little off topic. I have been developing Java web
application for my employer for a while, but these are all running on our
company's intranet only. Now someone is asking me to develop an eCommerce
site. I don't know how to charge him. Can someone please give me some ideas
of the going rate and what kind of contractual agreement I need? Is there
anything else I need to watch out for? I plan to use a commercial hosting
company to host the site.

Any help will be very much appreciated.


-
To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]



RE: [OT]web development fee

2005-01-05 Thread Mark Benussi
What country are you based in?
Original Message Follows
From: epyonne [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'Tomcat Users List' tomcat-user@jakarta.apache.org
Subject: [OT]web development fee
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 06:51:50 -0600
Sorry if this is a little off topic. I have been developing Java web
application for my employer for a while, but these are all running on our
company's intranet only. Now someone is asking me to develop an eCommerce
site. I don't know how to charge him. Can someone please give me some ideas
of the going rate and what kind of contractual agreement I need? Is there
anything else I need to watch out for? I plan to use a commercial hosting
company to host the site.
Any help will be very much appreciated.
-
To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

-
To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


RE: [OT]web development fee

2005-01-05 Thread epyonne
I am in the United States. Thanks.


-Original Message-
From: Mark Benussi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 6:54 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; tomcat-user@jakarta.apache.org
Subject: RE: [OT]web development fee

What country are you based in?

Original Message Follows
From: epyonne [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'Tomcat Users List' tomcat-user@jakarta.apache.org
Subject: [OT]web development fee
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 06:51:50 -0600

Sorry if this is a little off topic. I have been developing Java web
application for my employer for a while, but these are all running on our
company's intranet only. Now someone is asking me to develop an eCommerce
site. I don't know how to charge him. Can someone please give me some ideas
of the going rate and what kind of contractual agreement I need? Is there
anything else I need to watch out for? I plan to use a commercial hosting
company to host the site.

Any help will be very much appreciated.


-
To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]



-
To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


-
To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Re: [OT]web development fee

2005-01-05 Thread Ben Souther
Epyonne,

Thank you for marking this thread [OT].
By replying to an existing thread instead of starting a new message,
you've hijacked someone else's thread.  A lot of people will not read
your message because of this.

Ask again with a new message.

-Ben 



On Wed, 2005-01-05 at 07:51, epyonne wrote:
 Sorry if this is a little off topic. I have been developing Java web
 application for my employer for a while, but these are all running on our
 company's intranet only. Now someone is asking me to develop an eCommerce
 site. I don't know how to charge him. Can someone please give me some ideas
 of the going rate and what kind of contractual agreement I need? Is there
 anything else I need to watch out for? I plan to use a commercial hosting
 company to host the site.
 
 Any help will be very much appreciated.
 
 
 -
 To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 


-
To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]



[OT]web development fee

2005-01-05 Thread epyonne
Since I am using Outlook Express, I did not realize that I was attaching to 
someone else thread and I apologize for that. I am starting a new thread here 
and hopefully someone can help me.

I have been developing Java web application for my employer for a few years, 
but these are all running on our company's intranet only. Now someone is asking 
me to develop an eCommerce site. I don't know how to charge him. Can someone 
please give me some ideas of the going rate and what kind of contractual 
agreement I need? Is there anything else I need to watch out for?

I am in the United States and I plan to use a commercial hosting company to 
host the site. It will cost around $30-40 a month.

Any help will be very much appreciated.


Re: [OT]web development fee

2005-01-05 Thread Filip Hanik - Dev
watch out for free support - most people make this mistake and it ends up 
sucking up all their time.
Charge a time and materials fee when shit hits the fan such as out of disk 
space etc, a shopping cart isn't working.
Make it their responsibility to QA the site, and when they are done, have them 
sign off the deal.

Filip

- Original Message -
From: epyonne [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Tomcat Users List tomcat-user@jakarta.apache.org
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 8:26 AM
Subject: [OT]web development fee


Since I am using Outlook Express, I did not realize that I was attaching to 
someone else thread and I apologize for that. I am
starting a new thread here and hopefully someone can help me.

I have been developing Java web application for my employer for a few years, 
but these are all running on our company's intranet
only. Now someone is asking me to develop an eCommerce site. I don't know how 
to charge him. Can someone please give me some ideas
of the going rate and what kind of contractual agreement I need? Is there 
anything else I need to watch out for?

I am in the United States and I plan to use a commercial hosting company to 
host the site. It will cost around $30-40 a month.

Any help will be very much appreciated.


-
To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Re: [OT]web development fee

2005-01-05 Thread Daniel Watrous
Epyonne,
First off, I don't think that you hijacked anyone's thread, but this list 
seems to be very sensitive to that (and perhaps more affected by it than 
other lists I have seen).

From my experience there are a couple of options you can pursue:
1) You could build the application from the ground up and charge an hourly 
rate.  The rate will have to be agreed upon by you and the person 
contracting you.
2) You could develop the eCommerce application at your own cost and sell a 
license to it.  In this case you would have more direct control over the 
features you build into it.  Also, while this costs you more up front there 
is more possibility to recover the cost in selling multiple licenses.
3) You could purchase a license to an existing application and adapt it to 
meet your clients' needs.  In this case you would likely charge a flat fee 
to recover your hard costs for the purchase and an hourly after that for any 
adaptations.  In this case I personally would ask for the hard costs up 
front so as to not go to the expense and then have the client change his/her 
mind.

Now about the way you asked your question, I'm not sure if the web 
application you have developed for your employer is an eCommerce 
application.  In the event that it is eCommerce related you will likely use 
that as a base for whatever you build for your new client.  In this case you 
should discuss with your employer how he feels about you building off of a 
code base that he has funded.  It may be that you could work out an 
arrangement with your employer to accomplish option 3 above, and that your 
employer will give you a license at a significant savings to you.

As far as contracts go,  you should probably consult with a lawyer for that.
Daniel
- Original Message - 
From: epyonne [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Tomcat Users List tomcat-user@jakarta.apache.org
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 7:26 AM
Subject: [OT]web development fee

Since I am using Outlook Express, I did not realize that I was attaching to 
someone else thread and I apologize for that. I am starting a new thread 
here and hopefully someone can help me.

I have been developing Java web application for my employer for a few years, 
but these are all running on our company's intranet only. Now someone is 
asking me to develop an eCommerce site. I don't know how to charge him. Can 
someone please give me some ideas of the going rate and what kind of 
contractual agreement I need? Is there anything else I need to watch out 
for?

I am in the United States and I plan to use a commercial hosting company to 
host the site. It will cost around $30-40 a month.

Any help will be very much appreciated.
-
To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Re: [OT]web development fee

2005-01-05 Thread Ben Souther
Is there anything else I need to watch out for?

If you're not a web-designer, avoid taking charge of the look and feel
of the site. 

I've always done best when I've told the client to use a design house
for the look and feel and then give the static files the me so I can
build the app around them.

If you do it the other way around (the design house works with your
JSP), make sure the customer signs off on your working but undressed
pages before they go to the design house so you can charge them to fix
anything the designers break.

-Ben




-
To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Re: [OT]web development fee

2005-01-05 Thread epyonne
Daniel,

Thanks for the response. No, what I develop for my employer is not eCommerce
related. They are mostly for internal processing. Some of my web application
are used by our call centers.

Among the 3 options that you have stated, I think I will go with either #1
or #3. If I go with #3, do you know where I can find such application?

Also, can you tell me what is the going rate for a contract job like this?
$50/hr, $100/hr, or more? I don't have any idea at all.

Thank you very much for your help and all the other posters' help!


- Original Message - 
From: Daniel Watrous [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Tomcat Users List tomcat-user@jakarta.apache.org
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 10:00 AM
Subject: Re: [OT]web development fee


 Epyonne,

 First off, I don't think that you hijacked anyone's thread, but this list
 seems to be very sensitive to that (and perhaps more affected by it than
 other lists I have seen).

 From my experience there are a couple of options you can pursue:
 1) You could build the application from the ground up and charge an hourly
 rate.  The rate will have to be agreed upon by you and the person
 contracting you.
 2) You could develop the eCommerce application at your own cost and sell a
 license to it.  In this case you would have more direct control over the
 features you build into it.  Also, while this costs you more up front
there
 is more possibility to recover the cost in selling multiple licenses.
 3) You could purchase a license to an existing application and adapt it to
 meet your clients' needs.  In this case you would likely charge a flat fee
 to recover your hard costs for the purchase and an hourly after that for
any
 adaptations.  In this case I personally would ask for the hard costs up
 front so as to not go to the expense and then have the client change
his/her
 mind.

 Now about the way you asked your question, I'm not sure if the web
 application you have developed for your employer is an eCommerce
 application.  In the event that it is eCommerce related you will likely
use
 that as a base for whatever you build for your new client.  In this case
you
 should discuss with your employer how he feels about you building off of a
 code base that he has funded.  It may be that you could work out an
 arrangement with your employer to accomplish option 3 above, and that your
 employer will give you a license at a significant savings to you.

 As far as contracts go,  you should probably consult with a lawyer for
that.

 Daniel

 - Original Message - 
 From: epyonne [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Tomcat Users List tomcat-user@jakarta.apache.org
 Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 7:26 AM
 Subject: [OT]web development fee


 Since I am using Outlook Express, I did not realize that I was attaching
to
 someone else thread and I apologize for that. I am starting a new thread
 here and hopefully someone can help me.

 I have been developing Java web application for my employer for a few
years,
 but these are all running on our company's intranet only. Now someone is
 asking me to develop an eCommerce site. I don't know how to charge him.
Can
 someone please give me some ideas of the going rate and what kind of
 contractual agreement I need? Is there anything else I need to watch out
 for?

 I am in the United States and I plan to use a commercial hosting company
to
 host the site. It will cost around $30-40 a month.

 Any help will be very much appreciated.

 -
 To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]



-
To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Re: [OT]web development fee

2005-01-05 Thread Dwayne Ghant
Also Try :
www.salary.com
I think you would like it.
epyonne wrote:
Daniel,
Thanks for the response. No, what I develop for my employer is not eCommerce
related. They are mostly for internal processing. Some of my web application
are used by our call centers.
Among the 3 options that you have stated, I think I will go with either #1
or #3. If I go with #3, do you know where I can find such application?
Also, can you tell me what is the going rate for a contract job like this?
$50/hr, $100/hr, or more? I don't have any idea at all.
Thank you very much for your help and all the other posters' help!
- Original Message - 
From: Daniel Watrous [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Tomcat Users List tomcat-user@jakarta.apache.org
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 10:00 AM
Subject: Re: [OT]web development fee

 

Epyonne,
First off, I don't think that you hijacked anyone's thread, but this list
seems to be very sensitive to that (and perhaps more affected by it than
other lists I have seen).
From my experience there are a couple of options you can pursue:
1) You could build the application from the ground up and charge an hourly
rate.  The rate will have to be agreed upon by you and the person
contracting you.
2) You could develop the eCommerce application at your own cost and sell a
license to it.  In this case you would have more direct control over the
features you build into it.  Also, while this costs you more up front
   

there
 

is more possibility to recover the cost in selling multiple licenses.
3) You could purchase a license to an existing application and adapt it to
meet your clients' needs.  In this case you would likely charge a flat fee
to recover your hard costs for the purchase and an hourly after that for
   

any
 

adaptations.  In this case I personally would ask for the hard costs up
front so as to not go to the expense and then have the client change
   

his/her
 

mind.
Now about the way you asked your question, I'm not sure if the web
application you have developed for your employer is an eCommerce
application.  In the event that it is eCommerce related you will likely
   

use
 

that as a base for whatever you build for your new client.  In this case
   

you
 

should discuss with your employer how he feels about you building off of a
code base that he has funded.  It may be that you could work out an
arrangement with your employer to accomplish option 3 above, and that your
employer will give you a license at a significant savings to you.
As far as contracts go,  you should probably consult with a lawyer for
   

that.
 

Daniel
- Original Message - 
From: epyonne [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Tomcat Users List tomcat-user@jakarta.apache.org
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 7:26 AM
Subject: [OT]web development fee

Since I am using Outlook Express, I did not realize that I was attaching
   

to
 

someone else thread and I apologize for that. I am starting a new thread
here and hopefully someone can help me.
I have been developing Java web application for my employer for a few
   

years,
 

but these are all running on our company's intranet only. Now someone is
asking me to develop an eCommerce site. I don't know how to charge him.
   

Can
 

someone please give me some ideas of the going rate and what kind of
contractual agreement I need? Is there anything else I need to watch out
for?
I am in the United States and I plan to use a commercial hosting company
   

to
 

host the site. It will cost around $30-40 a month.
Any help will be very much appreciated.
-
To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   

-
To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 


--
Dwayne A. Ghant
Application Developer
Temple University
215.204.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

-
To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Re: [OT]web development fee

2005-01-05 Thread QM
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 08:26:48AM -0600, epyonne wrote:
: Since I am using Outlook Express, I did not realize that I was attaching to
: someone else thread and I apologize for that. I am starting a new thread here
: and hopefully someone can help me.

It's got naught to do with your mailer, Outlook or otherwise -- it's in
how you send a message to the list.  Don't simply respond to another
message and change the subject; create a new message and put the Tomcat
list addy in the To: field.  

Now, on to your question:


: I have been developing Java web application for my employer for a few years,
: but these are all running on our company's intranet only. Now someone is
: asking me to develop an eCommerce site. I don't know how to charge him. Can
: someone please give me some ideas of the going rate and what kind of
: contractual agreement I need? Is there anything else I need to watch out for?
: 
: I am in the United States and I plan to use a commercial hosting company to
: host the site. It will cost around $30-40 a month.

You've already received a lot of great advice, so I won't repeat any of
that.

Just do yourself a favor or two:
1/ think twice about fixed-bid contracts.  It can take forever to reach
a firm, legally-supportable definition of done and you certainly don't
want your attorney fees to eat your profits. (That's not a stab at
attorneys, either; mine are fantastic, and their work helps me sleep at
night. ;)  The hourly scope also means you're less penalized for
underestimating how long the project will take (translation: scope
creep).

2/ Hammer out scope docs with the client and use that to set the hourly
rate.  You could also factor in the expected due date (charge more for a
rush job), convenience (cut them a break if it's all telocommute, since
you can work in your bunny slippers), etc.

2.5/ You'd do yourself a favor to negotiate an hourly rate + some
minimum number of hours paid up-front.  That makes it a little tougher
for someone to run out on you without paying. (Yes, it happens, and some
people do it because they know it's not worth your time + legal fees to
hunt them down.)

3/ You could spare yourself some hassle and let the client deal with the
hosting company.  You can help them get setup with one; but clearly
defining yourself as the app architect/developer gives you fewer
long-term, day-to-day support/maintenance ties to this app.

4/ You asked what sort of contract you'd need: see an attorney for this.
Their job is to take the plain-English of your agreement with the client
and turn it into legalese, then plug any loopholes.

5/ Your other question: Is there anything else I need to watch out
for?  Yes: everything. =) Welcome to freelancing.


The rest of the advice I've seen in this thread has been great.

-QM

-- 

software  -- http://www.brandxdev.net
tech news -- http://www.RoarNetworX.com


-
To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Re: [OT]web development fee

2005-01-05 Thread Daniel Watrous
I have heard of http://www.merchantspace.com/product/index.jsp.  I haven't 
used it though.  A search on Google will likely give you a handful to choose 
from.  Also you might consider taking ideas from the Java Pet Store.

The hourly rate depends on a lot of things.  I can't make a good 
generalization about hourly rate...

Daniel
- Original Message - 
From: epyonne [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Tomcat Users List tomcat-user@jakarta.apache.org
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 10:30 AM
Subject: Re: [OT]web development fee


Daniel,
Thanks for the response. No, what I develop for my employer is not 
eCommerce
related. They are mostly for internal processing. Some of my web 
application
are used by our call centers.

Among the 3 options that you have stated, I think I will go with either #1
or #3. If I go with #3, do you know where I can find such application?
Also, can you tell me what is the going rate for a contract job like this?
$50/hr, $100/hr, or more? I don't have any idea at all.
Thank you very much for your help and all the other posters' help!
- Original Message - 
From: Daniel Watrous [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Tomcat Users List tomcat-user@jakarta.apache.org
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 10:00 AM
Subject: Re: [OT]web development fee


Epyonne,
First off, I don't think that you hijacked anyone's thread, but this list
seems to be very sensitive to that (and perhaps more affected by it than
other lists I have seen).
From my experience there are a couple of options you can pursue:
1) You could build the application from the ground up and charge an 
hourly
rate.  The rate will have to be agreed upon by you and the person
contracting you.
2) You could develop the eCommerce application at your own cost and sell 
a
license to it.  In this case you would have more direct control over the
features you build into it.  Also, while this costs you more up front
there
is more possibility to recover the cost in selling multiple licenses.
3) You could purchase a license to an existing application and adapt it 
to
meet your clients' needs.  In this case you would likely charge a flat 
fee
to recover your hard costs for the purchase and an hourly after that for
any
adaptations.  In this case I personally would ask for the hard costs up
front so as to not go to the expense and then have the client change
his/her
mind.
Now about the way you asked your question, I'm not sure if the web
application you have developed for your employer is an eCommerce
application.  In the event that it is eCommerce related you will likely
use
that as a base for whatever you build for your new client.  In this case
you
should discuss with your employer how he feels about you building off of 
a
code base that he has funded.  It may be that you could work out an
arrangement with your employer to accomplish option 3 above, and that 
your
employer will give you a license at a significant savings to you.

As far as contracts go,  you should probably consult with a lawyer for
that.
Daniel
- Original Message - 
From: epyonne [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Tomcat Users List tomcat-user@jakarta.apache.org
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 7:26 AM
Subject: [OT]web development fee

Since I am using Outlook Express, I did not realize that I was attaching
to
someone else thread and I apologize for that. I am starting a new thread
here and hopefully someone can help me.
I have been developing Java web application for my employer for a few
years,
but these are all running on our company's intranet only. Now someone is
asking me to develop an eCommerce site. I don't know how to charge him.
Can
someone please give me some ideas of the going rate and what kind of
contractual agreement I need? Is there anything else I need to watch out
for?
I am in the United States and I plan to use a commercial hosting company
to
host the site. It will cost around $30-40 a month.
Any help will be very much appreciated.
-
To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

-
To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

-
To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Re: [OT]web development fee

2005-01-05 Thread Drew Jorgenson
Epyonne,

 Please email me directly, I have sent you a reply, but the email
returned unsent.

Drew.

On Wed, 2005-01-05 at 22:02, Daniel Watrous wrote:
 I have heard of http://www.merchantspace.com/product/index.jsp.  I haven't 
 used it though.  A search on Google will likely give you a handful to choose 
 from.  Also you might consider taking ideas from the Java Pet Store.
 
 The hourly rate depends on a lot of things.  I can't make a good 
 generalization about hourly rate...
 
 Daniel
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: epyonne [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Tomcat Users List tomcat-user@jakarta.apache.org
 Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 10:30 AM
 Subject: Re: [OT]web development fee
 
 
  Daniel,
 
  Thanks for the response. No, what I develop for my employer is not 
  eCommerce
  related. They are mostly for internal processing. Some of my web 
  application
  are used by our call centers.
 
  Among the 3 options that you have stated, I think I will go with either #1
  or #3. If I go with #3, do you know where I can find such application?
 
  Also, can you tell me what is the going rate for a contract job like this?
  $50/hr, $100/hr, or more? I don't have any idea at all.
 
  Thank you very much for your help and all the other posters' help!
 
 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Daniel Watrous [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: Tomcat Users List tomcat-user@jakarta.apache.org
  Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 10:00 AM
  Subject: Re: [OT]web development fee
 
 
  Epyonne,
 
  First off, I don't think that you hijacked anyone's thread, but this list
  seems to be very sensitive to that (and perhaps more affected by it than
  other lists I have seen).
 
  From my experience there are a couple of options you can pursue:
  1) You could build the application from the ground up and charge an 
  hourly
  rate.  The rate will have to be agreed upon by you and the person
  contracting you.
  2) You could develop the eCommerce application at your own cost and sell 
  a
  license to it.  In this case you would have more direct control over the
  features you build into it.  Also, while this costs you more up front
  there
  is more possibility to recover the cost in selling multiple licenses.
  3) You could purchase a license to an existing application and adapt it 
  to
  meet your clients' needs.  In this case you would likely charge a flat 
  fee
  to recover your hard costs for the purchase and an hourly after that for
  any
  adaptations.  In this case I personally would ask for the hard costs up
  front so as to not go to the expense and then have the client change
  his/her
  mind.
 
  Now about the way you asked your question, I'm not sure if the web
  application you have developed for your employer is an eCommerce
  application.  In the event that it is eCommerce related you will likely
  use
  that as a base for whatever you build for your new client.  In this case
  you
  should discuss with your employer how he feels about you building off of 
  a
  code base that he has funded.  It may be that you could work out an
  arrangement with your employer to accomplish option 3 above, and that 
  your
  employer will give you a license at a significant savings to you.
 
  As far as contracts go,  you should probably consult with a lawyer for
  that.
 
  Daniel
 
  - Original Message - 
  From: epyonne [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: Tomcat Users List tomcat-user@jakarta.apache.org
  Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 7:26 AM
  Subject: [OT]web development fee
 
 
  Since I am using Outlook Express, I did not realize that I was attaching
  to
  someone else thread and I apologize for that. I am starting a new thread
  here and hopefully someone can help me.
 
  I have been developing Java web application for my employer for a few
  years,
  but these are all running on our company's intranet only. Now someone is
  asking me to develop an eCommerce site. I don't know how to charge him.
  Can
  someone please give me some ideas of the going rate and what kind of
  contractual agreement I need? Is there anything else I need to watch out
  for?
 
  I am in the United States and I plan to use a commercial hosting company
  to
  host the site. It will cost around $30-40 a month.
 
  Any help will be very much appreciated.
 
  -
  To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 
 
  -
  To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
  
 
 -
 To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


-
To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]