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There is the java pet shop project, which someone eluded to, there are offshoots of that project with a good deal of optimization done, and update done to the code, there is a free version and another one that is minimal charge of $199. https://betterpetshop.dev.java.net/ another offshoot http://www.ibatis.com/jpetstore/jpetstore.html http://www.sygel.com/en/Products/Petstore.html I'll From: Daniel Watrous [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Tomcat Users List tomcat-user@jakarta.apache.org To: Tomcat Users List tomcat-user@jakarta.apache.org Subject: Re: [OT]web development fee Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 23:02:43 -0700 I have heard of http://www.merchantspace.com/product/index.jsp. I haven't used it though. A search on Google will likely give you a handful to choose from. Also you might consider taking ideas from the Java Pet Store. The hourly rate depends on a lot of things. I can't make a good generalization about hourly rate... Daniel - Original Message - From: epyonne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tomcat Users List tomcat-user@jakarta.apache.org Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 10:30 AM Subject: Re: [OT]web development fee Daniel, Thanks for the response. No, what I develop for my employer is not eCommerce related. They are mostly for internal processing. Some of my web application are used by our call centers. Among the 3 options that you have stated, I think I will go with either #1 or #3. If I go with #3, do you know where I can find such application? Also, can you tell me what is the going rate for a contract job like this? $50/hr, $100/hr, or more? I don't have any idea at all. Thank you very much for your help and all the other posters' help! - Original Message - From: Daniel Watrous [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tomcat Users List tomcat-user@jakarta.apache.org Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 10:00 AM Subject: Re: [OT]web development fee Epyonne, First off, I don't think that you hijacked anyone's thread, but this list seems to be very sensitive to that (and perhaps more affected by it than other lists I have seen). From my experience there are a couple of options you can pursue: 1) You could build the application from the ground up and charge an hourly rate. The rate will have to be agreed upon by you and the person contracting you. 2) You could develop the eCommerce application at your own cost and sell a license to it. In this case you would have more direct control over the features you build into it. Also, while this costs you more up front there is more possibility to recover the cost in selling multiple licenses. 3) You could purchase a license to an existing application and adapt it to meet your clients' needs. In this case you would likely charge a flat fee to recover your hard costs for the purchase and an hourly after that for any adaptations. In this case I personally would ask for the hard costs up front so as to not go to the expense and then have the client change his/her mind. Now about the way you asked your question, I'm not sure if the web application you have developed for your employer is an eCommerce application. In the event that it is eCommerce related you will likely use that as a base for whatever you build for your new client. In this case you should discuss with your employer how he feels about you building off of a code base that he has funded. It may be that you could work out an arrangement with your employer to accomplish option 3 above, and that your employer will give you a license at a significant savings to you. As far as contracts go, you should probably consult with a lawyer for that. Daniel - Original Message - From: epyonne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tomcat Users List tomcat-user@jakarta.apache.org Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 7:26 AM Subject: [OT]web development fee Since I am using Outlook Express, I did not realize that I was attaching to someone else thread and I apologize for that. I am starting a new thread here and hopefully someone can help me. I have been developing Java web application for my employer for a few years, but these are all running on our company's intranet only. Now someone is asking me to develop an eCommerce site. I don't know how to charge him. Can someone please give me some ideas of the going rate and what kind of contractual agreement I need? Is there anything else I need to watch out for? I am in the United States and I plan to use a commercial hosting company to host the site. It will cost around $30-40 a month. Any help will be very much appreciated. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED
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I've got a package I plan on releasing under a BSD license. It needs some work, but it's pretty close. The only remaining major task is to port the reports from an old proprietary reporting application to Datavision. If you want to see a sample, go to: http://www.stargateschool.org/sgstore/ The sample is not quite in production, so if you want to try it out, use a Visa Card # of 4111 (4 followed by 15 1's). I'd appreciate any feedback. In many ways, it's very cool. Formats for the items are stored as HTML, and parsed out. Products can belong to multiple categories, and shopping by Manufacturer is supported. It does inventory, removing items from the store when the quantity on hand drops to 0. It also supports quantity pricing schedules as well as SKU Variants (vary on size, or color but not both). Support for Accessory SKU's that can be shown in the checkout or cart review screens. Orders are delivered to the fulfillment person via FAX, PDF or Encrypted PDF. A CC of the PDF without the card data can also be sent to an additional person. It should be portable across PostgreSQL, SQL Server, Oracle, Sybase, and DB2, but I've only tested PostgreSQL and SQL Server so far. I'll be the first to admit it could use some more features. Here are things I'm thinking of: Localization Support via Resource Bundles Actual Charge Clearing Support Additional Reports Re-Order Quantities and Notification Messages George Sexton MH Software, Inc. http://www.mhsoftware.com/ Voice: 303 438 9585 -Original Message- From: Daniel Watrous [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 11:03 PM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: [OT]web development fee I have heard of http://www.merchantspace.com/product/index.jsp. I haven't used it though. A search on Google will likely give you a handful to choose from. Also you might consider taking ideas from the Java Pet Store. The hourly rate depends on a lot of things. I can't make a good generalization about hourly rate... Daniel - Original Message - From: epyonne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tomcat Users List tomcat-user@jakarta.apache.org Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 10:30 AM Subject: Re: [OT]web development fee Daniel, Thanks for the response. No, what I develop for my employer is not eCommerce related. They are mostly for internal processing. Some of my web application are used by our call centers. Among the 3 options that you have stated, I think I will go with either #1 or #3. If I go with #3, do you know where I can find such application? Also, can you tell me what is the going rate for a contract job like this? $50/hr, $100/hr, or more? I don't have any idea at all. Thank you very much for your help and all the other posters' help! - Original Message - From: Daniel Watrous [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tomcat Users List tomcat-user@jakarta.apache.org Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 10:00 AM Subject: Re: [OT]web development fee Epyonne, First off, I don't think that you hijacked anyone's thread, but this list seems to be very sensitive to that (and perhaps more affected by it than other lists I have seen). From my experience there are a couple of options you can pursue: 1) You could build the application from the ground up and charge an hourly rate. The rate will have to be agreed upon by you and the person contracting you. 2) You could develop the eCommerce application at your own cost and sell a license to it. In this case you would have more direct control over the features you build into it. Also, while this costs you more up front there is more possibility to recover the cost in selling multiple licenses. 3) You could purchase a license to an existing application and adapt it to meet your clients' needs. In this case you would likely charge a flat fee to recover your hard costs for the purchase and an hourly after that for any adaptations. In this case I personally would ask for the hard costs up front so as to not go to the expense and then have the client change his/her mind. Now about the way you asked your question, I'm not sure if the web application you have developed for your employer is an eCommerce application. In the event that it is eCommerce related you will likely use that as a base for whatever you build for your new client. In this case you should discuss with your employer how he feels about you building off of a code base that he has funded. It may be that you could work out an arrangement with your employer to accomplish option 3 above, and that your employer will give you a license at a significant savings to you. As far as contracts go, you should probably consult with a lawyer for that. Daniel - Original Message - From: epyonne
[OT]web development fee
Sorry if this is a little off topic. I have been developing Java web application for my employer for a while, but these are all running on our company's intranet only. Now someone is asking me to develop an eCommerce site. I don't know how to charge him. Can someone please give me some ideas of the going rate and what kind of contractual agreement I need? Is there anything else I need to watch out for? I plan to use a commercial hosting company to host the site. Any help will be very much appreciated. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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What country are you based in? Original Message Follows From: epyonne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Tomcat Users List' tomcat-user@jakarta.apache.org Subject: [OT]web development fee Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 06:51:50 -0600 Sorry if this is a little off topic. I have been developing Java web application for my employer for a while, but these are all running on our company's intranet only. Now someone is asking me to develop an eCommerce site. I don't know how to charge him. Can someone please give me some ideas of the going rate and what kind of contractual agreement I need? Is there anything else I need to watch out for? I plan to use a commercial hosting company to host the site. Any help will be very much appreciated. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I am in the United States. Thanks. -Original Message- From: Mark Benussi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 6:54 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; tomcat-user@jakarta.apache.org Subject: RE: [OT]web development fee What country are you based in? Original Message Follows From: epyonne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Tomcat Users List' tomcat-user@jakarta.apache.org Subject: [OT]web development fee Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 06:51:50 -0600 Sorry if this is a little off topic. I have been developing Java web application for my employer for a while, but these are all running on our company's intranet only. Now someone is asking me to develop an eCommerce site. I don't know how to charge him. Can someone please give me some ideas of the going rate and what kind of contractual agreement I need? Is there anything else I need to watch out for? I plan to use a commercial hosting company to host the site. Any help will be very much appreciated. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Epyonne, Thank you for marking this thread [OT]. By replying to an existing thread instead of starting a new message, you've hijacked someone else's thread. A lot of people will not read your message because of this. Ask again with a new message. -Ben On Wed, 2005-01-05 at 07:51, epyonne wrote: Sorry if this is a little off topic. I have been developing Java web application for my employer for a while, but these are all running on our company's intranet only. Now someone is asking me to develop an eCommerce site. I don't know how to charge him. Can someone please give me some ideas of the going rate and what kind of contractual agreement I need? Is there anything else I need to watch out for? I plan to use a commercial hosting company to host the site. Any help will be very much appreciated. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[OT]web development fee
Since I am using Outlook Express, I did not realize that I was attaching to someone else thread and I apologize for that. I am starting a new thread here and hopefully someone can help me. I have been developing Java web application for my employer for a few years, but these are all running on our company's intranet only. Now someone is asking me to develop an eCommerce site. I don't know how to charge him. Can someone please give me some ideas of the going rate and what kind of contractual agreement I need? Is there anything else I need to watch out for? I am in the United States and I plan to use a commercial hosting company to host the site. It will cost around $30-40 a month. Any help will be very much appreciated.
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watch out for free support - most people make this mistake and it ends up sucking up all their time. Charge a time and materials fee when shit hits the fan such as out of disk space etc, a shopping cart isn't working. Make it their responsibility to QA the site, and when they are done, have them sign off the deal. Filip - Original Message - From: epyonne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tomcat Users List tomcat-user@jakarta.apache.org Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 8:26 AM Subject: [OT]web development fee Since I am using Outlook Express, I did not realize that I was attaching to someone else thread and I apologize for that. I am starting a new thread here and hopefully someone can help me. I have been developing Java web application for my employer for a few years, but these are all running on our company's intranet only. Now someone is asking me to develop an eCommerce site. I don't know how to charge him. Can someone please give me some ideas of the going rate and what kind of contractual agreement I need? Is there anything else I need to watch out for? I am in the United States and I plan to use a commercial hosting company to host the site. It will cost around $30-40 a month. Any help will be very much appreciated. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Epyonne, First off, I don't think that you hijacked anyone's thread, but this list seems to be very sensitive to that (and perhaps more affected by it than other lists I have seen). From my experience there are a couple of options you can pursue: 1) You could build the application from the ground up and charge an hourly rate. The rate will have to be agreed upon by you and the person contracting you. 2) You could develop the eCommerce application at your own cost and sell a license to it. In this case you would have more direct control over the features you build into it. Also, while this costs you more up front there is more possibility to recover the cost in selling multiple licenses. 3) You could purchase a license to an existing application and adapt it to meet your clients' needs. In this case you would likely charge a flat fee to recover your hard costs for the purchase and an hourly after that for any adaptations. In this case I personally would ask for the hard costs up front so as to not go to the expense and then have the client change his/her mind. Now about the way you asked your question, I'm not sure if the web application you have developed for your employer is an eCommerce application. In the event that it is eCommerce related you will likely use that as a base for whatever you build for your new client. In this case you should discuss with your employer how he feels about you building off of a code base that he has funded. It may be that you could work out an arrangement with your employer to accomplish option 3 above, and that your employer will give you a license at a significant savings to you. As far as contracts go, you should probably consult with a lawyer for that. Daniel - Original Message - From: epyonne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tomcat Users List tomcat-user@jakarta.apache.org Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 7:26 AM Subject: [OT]web development fee Since I am using Outlook Express, I did not realize that I was attaching to someone else thread and I apologize for that. I am starting a new thread here and hopefully someone can help me. I have been developing Java web application for my employer for a few years, but these are all running on our company's intranet only. Now someone is asking me to develop an eCommerce site. I don't know how to charge him. Can someone please give me some ideas of the going rate and what kind of contractual agreement I need? Is there anything else I need to watch out for? I am in the United States and I plan to use a commercial hosting company to host the site. It will cost around $30-40 a month. Any help will be very much appreciated. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Is there anything else I need to watch out for? If you're not a web-designer, avoid taking charge of the look and feel of the site. I've always done best when I've told the client to use a design house for the look and feel and then give the static files the me so I can build the app around them. If you do it the other way around (the design house works with your JSP), make sure the customer signs off on your working but undressed pages before they go to the design house so you can charge them to fix anything the designers break. -Ben - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Daniel, Thanks for the response. No, what I develop for my employer is not eCommerce related. They are mostly for internal processing. Some of my web application are used by our call centers. Among the 3 options that you have stated, I think I will go with either #1 or #3. If I go with #3, do you know where I can find such application? Also, can you tell me what is the going rate for a contract job like this? $50/hr, $100/hr, or more? I don't have any idea at all. Thank you very much for your help and all the other posters' help! - Original Message - From: Daniel Watrous [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tomcat Users List tomcat-user@jakarta.apache.org Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 10:00 AM Subject: Re: [OT]web development fee Epyonne, First off, I don't think that you hijacked anyone's thread, but this list seems to be very sensitive to that (and perhaps more affected by it than other lists I have seen). From my experience there are a couple of options you can pursue: 1) You could build the application from the ground up and charge an hourly rate. The rate will have to be agreed upon by you and the person contracting you. 2) You could develop the eCommerce application at your own cost and sell a license to it. In this case you would have more direct control over the features you build into it. Also, while this costs you more up front there is more possibility to recover the cost in selling multiple licenses. 3) You could purchase a license to an existing application and adapt it to meet your clients' needs. In this case you would likely charge a flat fee to recover your hard costs for the purchase and an hourly after that for any adaptations. In this case I personally would ask for the hard costs up front so as to not go to the expense and then have the client change his/her mind. Now about the way you asked your question, I'm not sure if the web application you have developed for your employer is an eCommerce application. In the event that it is eCommerce related you will likely use that as a base for whatever you build for your new client. In this case you should discuss with your employer how he feels about you building off of a code base that he has funded. It may be that you could work out an arrangement with your employer to accomplish option 3 above, and that your employer will give you a license at a significant savings to you. As far as contracts go, you should probably consult with a lawyer for that. Daniel - Original Message - From: epyonne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tomcat Users List tomcat-user@jakarta.apache.org Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 7:26 AM Subject: [OT]web development fee Since I am using Outlook Express, I did not realize that I was attaching to someone else thread and I apologize for that. I am starting a new thread here and hopefully someone can help me. I have been developing Java web application for my employer for a few years, but these are all running on our company's intranet only. Now someone is asking me to develop an eCommerce site. I don't know how to charge him. Can someone please give me some ideas of the going rate and what kind of contractual agreement I need? Is there anything else I need to watch out for? I am in the United States and I plan to use a commercial hosting company to host the site. It will cost around $30-40 a month. Any help will be very much appreciated. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Also Try : www.salary.com I think you would like it. epyonne wrote: Daniel, Thanks for the response. No, what I develop for my employer is not eCommerce related. They are mostly for internal processing. Some of my web application are used by our call centers. Among the 3 options that you have stated, I think I will go with either #1 or #3. If I go with #3, do you know where I can find such application? Also, can you tell me what is the going rate for a contract job like this? $50/hr, $100/hr, or more? I don't have any idea at all. Thank you very much for your help and all the other posters' help! - Original Message - From: Daniel Watrous [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tomcat Users List tomcat-user@jakarta.apache.org Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 10:00 AM Subject: Re: [OT]web development fee Epyonne, First off, I don't think that you hijacked anyone's thread, but this list seems to be very sensitive to that (and perhaps more affected by it than other lists I have seen). From my experience there are a couple of options you can pursue: 1) You could build the application from the ground up and charge an hourly rate. The rate will have to be agreed upon by you and the person contracting you. 2) You could develop the eCommerce application at your own cost and sell a license to it. In this case you would have more direct control over the features you build into it. Also, while this costs you more up front there is more possibility to recover the cost in selling multiple licenses. 3) You could purchase a license to an existing application and adapt it to meet your clients' needs. In this case you would likely charge a flat fee to recover your hard costs for the purchase and an hourly after that for any adaptations. In this case I personally would ask for the hard costs up front so as to not go to the expense and then have the client change his/her mind. Now about the way you asked your question, I'm not sure if the web application you have developed for your employer is an eCommerce application. In the event that it is eCommerce related you will likely use that as a base for whatever you build for your new client. In this case you should discuss with your employer how he feels about you building off of a code base that he has funded. It may be that you could work out an arrangement with your employer to accomplish option 3 above, and that your employer will give you a license at a significant savings to you. As far as contracts go, you should probably consult with a lawyer for that. Daniel - Original Message - From: epyonne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tomcat Users List tomcat-user@jakarta.apache.org Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 7:26 AM Subject: [OT]web development fee Since I am using Outlook Express, I did not realize that I was attaching to someone else thread and I apologize for that. I am starting a new thread here and hopefully someone can help me. I have been developing Java web application for my employer for a few years, but these are all running on our company's intranet only. Now someone is asking me to develop an eCommerce site. I don't know how to charge him. Can someone please give me some ideas of the going rate and what kind of contractual agreement I need? Is there anything else I need to watch out for? I am in the United States and I plan to use a commercial hosting company to host the site. It will cost around $30-40 a month. Any help will be very much appreciated. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Dwayne A. Ghant Application Developer Temple University 215.204. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 08:26:48AM -0600, epyonne wrote: : Since I am using Outlook Express, I did not realize that I was attaching to : someone else thread and I apologize for that. I am starting a new thread here : and hopefully someone can help me. It's got naught to do with your mailer, Outlook or otherwise -- it's in how you send a message to the list. Don't simply respond to another message and change the subject; create a new message and put the Tomcat list addy in the To: field. Now, on to your question: : I have been developing Java web application for my employer for a few years, : but these are all running on our company's intranet only. Now someone is : asking me to develop an eCommerce site. I don't know how to charge him. Can : someone please give me some ideas of the going rate and what kind of : contractual agreement I need? Is there anything else I need to watch out for? : : I am in the United States and I plan to use a commercial hosting company to : host the site. It will cost around $30-40 a month. You've already received a lot of great advice, so I won't repeat any of that. Just do yourself a favor or two: 1/ think twice about fixed-bid contracts. It can take forever to reach a firm, legally-supportable definition of done and you certainly don't want your attorney fees to eat your profits. (That's not a stab at attorneys, either; mine are fantastic, and their work helps me sleep at night. ;) The hourly scope also means you're less penalized for underestimating how long the project will take (translation: scope creep). 2/ Hammer out scope docs with the client and use that to set the hourly rate. You could also factor in the expected due date (charge more for a rush job), convenience (cut them a break if it's all telocommute, since you can work in your bunny slippers), etc. 2.5/ You'd do yourself a favor to negotiate an hourly rate + some minimum number of hours paid up-front. That makes it a little tougher for someone to run out on you without paying. (Yes, it happens, and some people do it because they know it's not worth your time + legal fees to hunt them down.) 3/ You could spare yourself some hassle and let the client deal with the hosting company. You can help them get setup with one; but clearly defining yourself as the app architect/developer gives you fewer long-term, day-to-day support/maintenance ties to this app. 4/ You asked what sort of contract you'd need: see an attorney for this. Their job is to take the plain-English of your agreement with the client and turn it into legalese, then plug any loopholes. 5/ Your other question: Is there anything else I need to watch out for? Yes: everything. =) Welcome to freelancing. The rest of the advice I've seen in this thread has been great. -QM -- software -- http://www.brandxdev.net tech news -- http://www.RoarNetworX.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I have heard of http://www.merchantspace.com/product/index.jsp. I haven't used it though. A search on Google will likely give you a handful to choose from. Also you might consider taking ideas from the Java Pet Store. The hourly rate depends on a lot of things. I can't make a good generalization about hourly rate... Daniel - Original Message - From: epyonne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tomcat Users List tomcat-user@jakarta.apache.org Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 10:30 AM Subject: Re: [OT]web development fee Daniel, Thanks for the response. No, what I develop for my employer is not eCommerce related. They are mostly for internal processing. Some of my web application are used by our call centers. Among the 3 options that you have stated, I think I will go with either #1 or #3. If I go with #3, do you know where I can find such application? Also, can you tell me what is the going rate for a contract job like this? $50/hr, $100/hr, or more? I don't have any idea at all. Thank you very much for your help and all the other posters' help! - Original Message - From: Daniel Watrous [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tomcat Users List tomcat-user@jakarta.apache.org Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 10:00 AM Subject: Re: [OT]web development fee Epyonne, First off, I don't think that you hijacked anyone's thread, but this list seems to be very sensitive to that (and perhaps more affected by it than other lists I have seen). From my experience there are a couple of options you can pursue: 1) You could build the application from the ground up and charge an hourly rate. The rate will have to be agreed upon by you and the person contracting you. 2) You could develop the eCommerce application at your own cost and sell a license to it. In this case you would have more direct control over the features you build into it. Also, while this costs you more up front there is more possibility to recover the cost in selling multiple licenses. 3) You could purchase a license to an existing application and adapt it to meet your clients' needs. In this case you would likely charge a flat fee to recover your hard costs for the purchase and an hourly after that for any adaptations. In this case I personally would ask for the hard costs up front so as to not go to the expense and then have the client change his/her mind. Now about the way you asked your question, I'm not sure if the web application you have developed for your employer is an eCommerce application. In the event that it is eCommerce related you will likely use that as a base for whatever you build for your new client. In this case you should discuss with your employer how he feels about you building off of a code base that he has funded. It may be that you could work out an arrangement with your employer to accomplish option 3 above, and that your employer will give you a license at a significant savings to you. As far as contracts go, you should probably consult with a lawyer for that. Daniel - Original Message - From: epyonne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tomcat Users List tomcat-user@jakarta.apache.org Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 7:26 AM Subject: [OT]web development fee Since I am using Outlook Express, I did not realize that I was attaching to someone else thread and I apologize for that. I am starting a new thread here and hopefully someone can help me. I have been developing Java web application for my employer for a few years, but these are all running on our company's intranet only. Now someone is asking me to develop an eCommerce site. I don't know how to charge him. Can someone please give me some ideas of the going rate and what kind of contractual agreement I need? Is there anything else I need to watch out for? I am in the United States and I plan to use a commercial hosting company to host the site. It will cost around $30-40 a month. Any help will be very much appreciated. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Epyonne, Please email me directly, I have sent you a reply, but the email returned unsent. Drew. On Wed, 2005-01-05 at 22:02, Daniel Watrous wrote: I have heard of http://www.merchantspace.com/product/index.jsp. I haven't used it though. A search on Google will likely give you a handful to choose from. Also you might consider taking ideas from the Java Pet Store. The hourly rate depends on a lot of things. I can't make a good generalization about hourly rate... Daniel - Original Message - From: epyonne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tomcat Users List tomcat-user@jakarta.apache.org Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 10:30 AM Subject: Re: [OT]web development fee Daniel, Thanks for the response. No, what I develop for my employer is not eCommerce related. They are mostly for internal processing. Some of my web application are used by our call centers. Among the 3 options that you have stated, I think I will go with either #1 or #3. If I go with #3, do you know where I can find such application? Also, can you tell me what is the going rate for a contract job like this? $50/hr, $100/hr, or more? I don't have any idea at all. Thank you very much for your help and all the other posters' help! - Original Message - From: Daniel Watrous [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tomcat Users List tomcat-user@jakarta.apache.org Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 10:00 AM Subject: Re: [OT]web development fee Epyonne, First off, I don't think that you hijacked anyone's thread, but this list seems to be very sensitive to that (and perhaps more affected by it than other lists I have seen). From my experience there are a couple of options you can pursue: 1) You could build the application from the ground up and charge an hourly rate. The rate will have to be agreed upon by you and the person contracting you. 2) You could develop the eCommerce application at your own cost and sell a license to it. In this case you would have more direct control over the features you build into it. Also, while this costs you more up front there is more possibility to recover the cost in selling multiple licenses. 3) You could purchase a license to an existing application and adapt it to meet your clients' needs. In this case you would likely charge a flat fee to recover your hard costs for the purchase and an hourly after that for any adaptations. In this case I personally would ask for the hard costs up front so as to not go to the expense and then have the client change his/her mind. Now about the way you asked your question, I'm not sure if the web application you have developed for your employer is an eCommerce application. In the event that it is eCommerce related you will likely use that as a base for whatever you build for your new client. In this case you should discuss with your employer how he feels about you building off of a code base that he has funded. It may be that you could work out an arrangement with your employer to accomplish option 3 above, and that your employer will give you a license at a significant savings to you. As far as contracts go, you should probably consult with a lawyer for that. Daniel - Original Message - From: epyonne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tomcat Users List tomcat-user@jakarta.apache.org Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 7:26 AM Subject: [OT]web development fee Since I am using Outlook Express, I did not realize that I was attaching to someone else thread and I apologize for that. I am starting a new thread here and hopefully someone can help me. I have been developing Java web application for my employer for a few years, but these are all running on our company's intranet only. Now someone is asking me to develop an eCommerce site. I don't know how to charge him. Can someone please give me some ideas of the going rate and what kind of contractual agreement I need? Is there anything else I need to watch out for? I am in the United States and I plan to use a commercial hosting company to host the site. It will cost around $30-40 a month. Any help will be very much appreciated. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]