Re: Best practices question

2002-10-19 Thread Glenn Nielsen
, but can't really see why or how. Anyone know? Great product this Tomcat. Kudos to all involved. - Original Message - From: Turner, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Tomcat Users List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 1:57 PM Subject: RE: Best practices question I run

Re: Best practices question

2002-10-18 Thread Nikola Milutinovic
Qmail List wrote: I have been wondering about this as well. Apache screams and hollers BIG_SECURITY_HOLE if you compile it with the flags allowing it to run as root. That said, I love the fact that Tomcat runs as root. It makes it easy for your webapp to do things admin applications, servers,

RE: Best practices question

2002-10-18 Thread Turner, John
I run Tomcat under a separate user account. I avoid running services as root whenever possible. John -Original Message- From: Randy Paries [mailto:randy.paries;unitnet.com] Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 1:56 PM To: 'Tomcat Users List' Subject: Best practices question Hello

Re: Best practices question

2002-10-18 Thread Craig R. McClanahan
On Thu, 17 Oct 2002, Qmail List wrote: Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 15:03:27 -0400 From: Qmail List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Tomcat Users List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tomcat Users List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Best practices question I have been wondering about this as well. Apache

Re: Best practices question

2002-10-18 Thread Adam Sherman
Mark Eggers wrote: Following that idea, only run Tomcat as root if you are using it as a web server binding to a port less than 1024. Otherwise, run it from a non-privledged account so that if there is a security issue the most it should trash is your web server environment. In addition, it is

RE: Best practices question

2002-10-18 Thread Turner, John
. John -Original Message- From: Qmail List [mailto:edahnke;earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 3:03 PM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: Best practices question I have been wondering about this as well. Apache screams and hollers BIG_SECURITY_HOLE if you compile

Re: Best practices question

2002-10-18 Thread Mark Eggers
Randy, A general rule of security is permit only what is needed, and deny everything else. Following that idea, only run Tomcat as root if you are using it as a web server binding to a port less than 1024. Otherwise, run it from a non-privledged account so that if there is a security issue the

Re: Best practices question

2002-10-18 Thread Qmail List
. Anyone know? Great product this Tomcat. Kudos to all involved. - Original Message - From: Turner, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Tomcat Users List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 1:57 PM Subject: RE: Best practices question I run Tomcat under a separate user

Best practices question

2002-10-18 Thread Randy Paries
Hello, I was wondering are most people starting tomcat from root, or are they doing it other ways. What is the suggestion for this. How big are the security issues if started by root Would it be ok to start it by user apache? Thanks -- To unsubscribe, e-mail:

Re: Best Practices Question

2002-09-30 Thread Oskar Bartenstein
Sun, 29 Sep 2002 22:17:25 -0700 (PDT) Craig R. McClanahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Regarding restarting a webapp without restarting Tomcat, you should read up on the Manager servlet that comes with Tomcat 4.0 and 4.1: http://jakarta.apache.org/tomcat/tomcat-4.1-doc/manager-howto.html If the

RE: Best Practices Question

2002-09-30 Thread Turner, John
Message- From: V. Cekvenich [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 8:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Best Practices Question I think there is no reason to use Apache. Tomcat can do it all and it is simpler this way. Plus Tomcat can do JSPs, etc. V

RE: Best Practices Question

2002-09-30 Thread Turner, John
-Original Message- From: Craig R. McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 9:40 PM ... snip... Valid reasons to need it include: * Tomcat standalone is not fast enough (note that this is different from a rule saying select the fastest possible

RE: Best Practices Question

2002-09-30 Thread Stephen . Thompson
What about SSL, is it better/more efficient to allow apache to handle the SSL or to drop apache and allow tomcat to do it all? -Original Message- From: Turner, John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 30 September 2002 13:39 To: 'Tomcat Users List' Subject: RE: Best Practices Question

RE: Best Practices Question

2002-09-30 Thread Craig R. McClanahan
On Mon, 30 Sep 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:39:07 +0100 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Tomcat Users List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Best Practices Question What about SSL, is it better/more efficient to allow apache to handle

Re: Best Practices Question

2002-09-30 Thread Glenn Nielsen
For a medium to high volume site using Apache to serve static content (static html, images, css, etc.) is: 1. Faster and more reliable (no pauses due to JVM garbage collection, etc.) 2. Takes that load off of Tomcat so it can concentrate on dynamic content. (JSPs/Servlets) 3. Allows you to do

Re: Best Practices Question

2002-09-30 Thread Glenn Nielsen
Craig R. McClanahan wrote: On Sun, 29 Sep 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kent, I think we are on the same track , Apache was designed for that purposes , is more robust and mature and certainly has less security related issues. Regarding maturity, I presume you're talking about 1.3,

Best Practices Question

2002-09-29 Thread Barry Moore
I have not used Tomacat in a couple years. The last time I used it, our companies policy was to integrate with Apache and get Apache to do the serving duties and just use Tomcat as the jsp processor. With Tomact 4 is this still considered a good practice for high traffic sites? Thanks, Barry

Re: Best Practices Question

2002-09-29 Thread achana
Unequivocally : yes if u r serving up only jsp and servlets ! I use 4.0.4 Barry Moore wrote: I have not used Tomacat in a couple years. The last time I used it, our companies policy was to integrate with Apache and get Apache to do the serving duties and just use Tomcat as the jsp

Re: Best Practices Question

2002-09-29 Thread V. Cekvenich
I think there is no reason to use Apache. Tomcat can do it all and it is simpler this way. Plus Tomcat can do JSPs, etc. V. Barry Moore wrote: I have not used Tomacat in a couple years. The last time I used it, our companies policy was to integrate with Apache and get Apache to do the

Re: Best Practices Question

2002-09-29 Thread Kent Perrier
On Sun, Sep 29, 2002 at 08:31:32PM -0400, V. Cekvenich wrote: I think there is no reason to use Apache. Tomcat can do it all and it is simpler this way. IF you want tomcat running at root, assuming that you want tomcat to answer requests on port 80. I, personally, prefer to have apache on

Re: Best Practices Question

2002-09-29 Thread achana
V. Cekvenich wrote: I think there is no reason to use Apache Tomcat can do it all and it is simpler this way. Apache is by far the more mature and robust of the two and was designed with the web in mind. Whereas it is true Tomcat can take over from Apache to some extend it was designed as a

Re: Best Practices Question

2002-09-29 Thread achana
Kent Perrier wrote: On Sun, Sep 29, 2002 at 08:31:32PM -0400, V. Cekvenich wrote: I think there is no reason to use Apache. Tomcat can do it all and it is simpler this way. IF you want tomcat running at root, assuming that you want tomcat to answer requests on port 80. I,

Re: Best Practices Question

2002-09-29 Thread achana
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kent Perrier wrote: On Sun, Sep 29, 2002 at 08:31:32PM -0400, V. Cekvenich wrote: I think there is no reason to use Apache. Tomcat can do it all and it is simpler this way. IF you want tomcat running at root, assuming that you want tomcat to answer

Re: Best Practices Question

2002-09-29 Thread Craig R. McClanahan
On Sun, 29 Sep 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kent, I think we are on the same track , Apache was designed for that purposes , is more robust and mature and certainly has less security related issues. Regarding maturity, I presume you're talking about 1.3, right? The Apache 2.0 code is

Re: Best Practices Question

2002-09-29 Thread Oskar Bartenstein
Sun, 29 Sep 2002 18:39:54 -0700 (PDT) Craig R. McClanahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: IMHO, anyone who goes to all the extra effort of configuring Apache+Tomcat, instead of Tomcat alone, is nuts unless they need it. Valid reasons to need it include: I am pondering one more: reducing interruption

Re: Best Practices Question

2002-09-29 Thread Craig R. McClanahan
PROTECTED] To: Tomcat Users List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Best Practices Question Sun, 29 Sep 2002 18:39:54 -0700 (PDT) Craig R. McClanahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: IMHO, anyone who goes to all the extra effort of configuring Apache+Tomcat, instead of Tomcat alone, is nuts unless