Re: Topband: Beverage antennas

2012-07-24 Thread f6bki
Hello All, Just found old datas on a similar line made for the French Army , results are the following: The impedance was determined by measurements to be around 150 Ohms old message: I measured the losses of the 150 Ohms old military telephone line: I made two transformers 50 to 150 ohms

Re: Topband: Beverage antennas

2012-07-24 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
I'm just thinking about the probably slow velocity factor of the stuff Jacques describes, the loss, and the poor performance it would give if used for a reversible beverage. The losses as a reversible beverage would far exceed those used as a balanced feedline, because of the balance partly

Re: Topband: Beverage antennas

2012-07-24 Thread Tom W8JI
Hi Guy, Good topic. The losses as a reversible beverage would far exceed those used as a balanced feedline, because of the balance partly cancelling fields in the dielectric between them. Slow wave structures are more common in microwave. Anything that increases capacitance or inductance

Re: Topband: Beverage antennas

2012-07-24 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
Yeah, so he says when the wire is new. There is an ASSUMPTION that stuff retains characteristic at RF over time when it was only designed for audio. Have you ever noticed how pungent that stuff smells when you first pull it off the roll. That stuff cures over time. Guys at Bell Labs had HUGE

Re: Topband: Beverage antennas

2012-07-24 Thread ZR
- Original Message - From: Tom W8JI w...@w8ji.com To: Guy Olinger K2AV olin...@bellsouth.net Cc: topband@contesting.com Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 9:12 AM Subject: Re: Topband: Beverage antennas Hi Guy, Good topic. The losses as a reversible beverage would far exceed those used

Re: Topband: Beverage antennas

2012-07-24 Thread donovanf
There is an excellent article in the July/August 2012 issue of QEX describing how the author improved the performance of a Beverage by breaking it into two in-line segments coupled by a pair of conventional Beverage matching transformers. He also provides detailed construction information for

Re: Topband: Beverage antennas

2012-07-24 Thread Tom W8JI
From what I've read, the characteristics of WD-1x may vary quite a bit. It's interesting to read the results of the comparison that Herb did between some and open wire line back in 2008: http://lists.contesting.com/_topband/2008-12/msg00016.html From that link: In theory two parallel 600

Re: Topband: Beverage antennas

2012-07-24 Thread Tom W8JI
There is an excellent article in the July/August 2012 issue of QEX describing how the author improved the performance of a Beverage by breaking it into two in-line segments coupled by a pair of conventional Beverage matching transformers. He also provides detailed construction

Re: Topband: Beverage antennas

2012-07-24 Thread Rick Stealey
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Re: Topband: How to Measure Beverage Common Mode Noise

2012-07-24 Thread Mike Waters
Wayne, What is more important than a little weak noise is common-mode signal. Why don't you also test to see how well you can hear any AM broadcast stations with the coax terminated? Please also tell us more about your Beverage, especially how you are feeding it (transformer, etc.) FWIW, I

Re: Topband: Beverage Antenna;

2012-07-24 Thread Mike Greenway
Guy, yes I am using WD1A on a 800 ft reversible around 12 high that has helped me work some tough ones in both directions E-W. I am using KD9SVs matching units. I have nothing to compare it with right now. 73 Mike K4PI ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB

Re: Topband: How to Measure Beverage Common Mode Noise

2012-07-24 Thread Tom W8JI
I have run about 400 ft of F6-type flooded coax from my shack to one end of my Beverage antenna. My question is: do I need to install a feedline current choke about 20 feet from the end of the Beverage antenna (the current choke would have its own separate ground. While a dummy load test

Re: Topband: How to Measure Beverage Common Mode Noise

2012-07-24 Thread Mike Waters
Wayne is using a DX Engineering bi-directional system. Unless DXE changed to ununs without telling anyone, he has little to worry about there. ;-) 73, Mike www.w0btu.com On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 1:19 PM, Tom W8JI w...@w8ji.com wrote: Most common issues, other than defective connectors or shield

Re: Topband: How to Measure Beverage Common Mode Noise

2012-07-24 Thread Tom W8JI
Wayne is using a DX Engineering bi-directional system. Unless DXE changed to ununs without telling anyone, he has little to worry about there. ;-) Yes. Cable grounds are isolated from signal grounds. That unit uses primary-secondary isolation transformers.

Re: Topband: Beverage antennas

2012-07-24 Thread ZR
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Re: Topband: Beverage antennas

2012-07-24 Thread Bill Wichers
Much of the outdoor wire dielectric won't change much with age. If you're looking at the really old rubber stuff you'll get a lot of change since that material degrades over time. The newer stuff tends to be polyethylene-based which holds up *very* well over time. The C Rural wire that's been

Re: Topband: Loops

2012-07-24 Thread Tom W8JI
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Re: Topband: Lyme Desease

2012-07-24 Thread John Harden, D.M.D.
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Re: Topband: Lyme Desease

2012-07-24 Thread Milt -- N5IA
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Re: Topband: Beverage antennas

2012-07-24 Thread ZR
- Original Message - From: Bill Wichers bi...@waveform.net Also, someone on here had corrected me for talking about an older version of C Rural wire that was oval and used rubber insulation. I looked that up too (Drop Wire), and it is similar but definitely not the same (I've only run

Topband: Beverage strain auto-disconnects

2012-07-24 Thread KAZeringue
@N1BUG. The WD1A is fairly tough, ~200lbs break strength. Tie it to the supports/trees/insulators/whatevah with a single strand of 20-25lb test monofiliment fishing line. Tree falls on WD1A, maybe you then need only replace monofiliment fishing line supports to re hang the wire instead