Re: Topband: RX epiphany?

2012-09-13 Thread Tom W8JI
Hi well I've only been QRV since June here but the QRN level seems noticeably worse than my previous QTH in the W6 desert even though my current QTH is also quiet, limited by only propagated QRN. Doesn't 90 days seem a little short to get a feel for propagated noise and system performance?

Re: Topband: Radials over a stone wall

2012-09-13 Thread N2TK, Tony
Thanks for all the feedback on how to get the radials over/under/through the wall. After playing with this for the past few weeks I realize no way to go under as test poundings on rods indicates the wall is too deep. Without dismantling the wall the only way I can get through is possible

Re: Topband: Pulse noise source help!

2012-09-13 Thread Tom W8JI
I have had a longstanding problem with pulse noise off my SW BOG. The pulses are ~5khz wide, ~1 to 1.5 S units in amplitude, are spaced every 12 khz, do not drift (one always right on 1825!), and extend from ~1700 to 2500 khz. Not drifting at all indicates a system with a controlled clock

Re: Topband: RX epiphany?

2012-09-13 Thread David Raymond
I agree with Tom's assessment. I wouldn't be too quick to give up on your tx 4 square. Having a tx 4 square, a 1/4 wave vertical, and an 8 circle rx array, I find the 4 square really does hear quite well. My man made ambient noise level is quite low (during daytime hours when the

Re: Topband: Radials over a stone wall

2012-09-13 Thread Tom W8JI
Thanks for all the feedback on how to get the radials over/under/through the wall. After playing with this for the past few weeks I realize no way to go under as test poundings on rods indicates the wall is too deep. Tony, Sometimes things get lost in all the traffic on debatable topics.

Re: Topband: RX epiphany?

2012-09-13 Thread Tom W8JI
I agree with Tom's assessment. I wouldn't be too quick to give up on your tx 4 square. Having a tx 4 square, a 1/4 wave vertical, and an 8 circle rx array, I find the 4 square really does hear quite well. My man made ambient noise level is quite low (during daytime hours when the

Re: Topband: RX epiphany?

2012-09-13 Thread jbwolf
Tom, In your opinion; given a receive antenna with negative gain, at what level does the negative gain start to come into play? -25 dBi, -35 dBI  ? Jim - Original Message - From: Tom W8JI w...@w8ji.com To: topband topband@contesting.com Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012

Re: Topband: RX epiphany?

2012-09-13 Thread Tom W8JI
In your opinion; given a receive antenna with negative gain, at what level does the negative gain start to come into play? -25 dBi, -35 dBI ? There are several variables to this. Estimating from a model: At my house a ~ -25 dBi gain antenna system with a pattern like a good large 8-circle,

Re: Topband: Radials over a stone wall

2012-09-13 Thread N2TK, Tony
Tom, Thanks for the info. This is what I was looking for - info from someone who has modeled the radials and/or actual experience with measurements. Going over the wall simplifies things for me both for the shunt fed tower for topband and for the radials for the 80M 4-sq. I plan on soldering the

Re: Topband: Radials over a stone wall

2012-09-13 Thread Tom W8JI
Thanks for the info. This is what I was looking for - info from someone who has modeled the radials and/or actual experience with measurements. Going over the wall simplifies things for me both for the shunt fed tower for topband and for the radials for the 80M 4-sq. I plan on soldering the

Re: Topband: Radials over a stone wall

2012-09-13 Thread N2TK, Tony
Tnx again Tom. K7HP modeled this too and is saying exactly what you are saying. As soon as the leaves fall off the trees (which will be soon here in upstate NY)I will clean out the area beyond the stone wall and start extending the radials. The other week I dig up a few of my enameled #16 radials

Re: Topband: RX epiphany?

2012-09-13 Thread Arthur Delibert
Bob-- Just curious -- How is your reception around sunrise, when most of the thunderstorms in the Americas are in daylight, and therefore their QRN probably isn't reaching you? Art, KB3FJO On Sep 12, 2012, at 11:07 PM, Bob Kupps n...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi well I've only been QRV since

Re: Topband: RX epiphany?

2012-09-13 Thread Bob Kupps
Hi thanks to all for the replies. Sorry I wasn't clear my QTH is northern Thailand. The point I was trying to make is that even though it is a noisy part of the season it is apparently less noisy at the European latitudes. Unfortunately I don't have enough land to put up a 160m Xmit 4 square

Re: Topband: RX epiphany?

2012-09-13 Thread donovanf
Bob, If you have a choice of one or the other the choice is easy: the transmit 4-square as an excellent transmit array as well as an excellent receive array. Good luck! 73 Frank W3LPL Original message Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 16:56:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Kupps n...@yahoo.com

Re: Topband: RX epiphany?

2012-09-13 Thread Bob Kupps
Hey Dave! (he was my first QSO as a novice 43 years ago) I am located at 20 degrees N. Actually my choice is between a 160m Xmit 4 square and concentric 80/160m 8 circle RX arrays. From: DAVID CUTHBERT telegraph...@gmail.com To: donov...@starpower.net Cc: Bob

Re: Topband: RX epiphany?

2012-09-13 Thread DAVID CUTHBERT
Bob and Bob, so it is! I thought it was just below the equator. Dave On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 7:55 PM, Bob Kupps n...@yahoo.com wrote: Hey Dave! (he was my first QSO as a novice 43 years ago) I am located at 20 degrees N. Actually my choice is between a 160m Xmit 4 square and concentric

Topband: RX epiphany?

2012-09-13 Thread Lee K7TJR
Bob, I suggest you contact Peter XU7ACY and get his take on working 160 DX from your area of the world. In my contacts with him, receiving has been his biggest problem. Lee K7TJR OR ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK