Re: Topband: PT0S

2012-11-12 Thread Les Kalmus
I heard the same thing you did Gary but I wasn't able to break the pileup on either band. I hope I can eventually get through what is among the worst intentional QRM on a DX station that I have heard. 73, Les W2LK On 11/12/2012 12:37 AM, Gary K9GS wrote: Tonight PT0S was on 80M...big

Re: Topband: PT0S

2012-11-12 Thread Cqtestk4xs
Same crap today on 15 meters. One of the PT0S was coming from 40 degrees. The other from 110. Just plain stupid. Bill K4XS/KH7XS In a message dated 11/12/2012 3:15:16 P.M. Coordinated Universal Tim, w...@bk-lk.com writes: I heard the same thing you did Gary but I wasn't able to

Re: Topband: PT0S

2012-11-12 Thread Eddy Swynar
On 2012-11-12, at 10:14 AM, Les Kalmus wrote: I heard the same thing you did Gary but I wasn't able to break the pileup on either band. I hope I can eventually get through what is among the worst intentional QRM on a DX station that I have heard. There really should be a way of

Topband: Outing The Scofflaws...

2012-11-12 Thread Eddy Swynar
Here's an idea that I'll toss up into the air as a (possible) first step in bringing a few of these lawless characters to heel: Maintain some sort of an open-to-all web page that is frequented by would-be future DX'peditions that contains a master list of the call signs of those habitual

Re: Topband: Outing The Scofflaws...

2012-11-12 Thread Cqtestk4xs
Nice idea, but the majority of the really terrible stuff is done by guys who don't sign their calltuning up, or pretending to be the DX station, or some kind of intentional interference. We've all done the wrong VFO thing and sent our call on the DX stations freq. That is easily

Re: Topband: PT0S

2012-11-12 Thread Michael Tope
I'll name names. Last night on 80 meters, K0MN kept calling over and over through the entire period (~15 minutes) when PT0S was listening for JAs at his sunrise. To make matters worse, somebody decided it would be helpful to read him the riot act on PT0S's frequency as in K0MN idiot over and

Re: Topband: PT0S

2012-11-12 Thread Michael Tope
I should add that in fairness to K0MN, I don't know if that was actually him calling PT0S or someone bootlegging his call. I've seen at least one case (and I am sure there have been plenty of others) where the culprit is bootlegging the callsign of someone else. In the case I am thinking of,

Re: Topband: Outing The Scofflaws...

2012-11-12 Thread Eddy Swynar
On 2012-11-12, at 11:08 AM, cqtestk...@aol.com wrote: Nice idea, but the majority of the really terrible stuff is done by guys who don't sign their calltuning up, or pretending to be the DX station, or some kind of intentional interference. We've all done the wrong VFO thing and

Re: Topband: Outing The Scofflaws...

2012-11-12 Thread Michael Tope
For illegal power, there is not much you can do unless, as you say, you are in the shack watching it. For bad operating you can diplomatically mention to the offender that your heard someone using their call and using very poor operating techniques (specifics supplied) and that you figured

Topband: Outing the Scofflaws - Getting Old

2012-11-12 Thread Jerry Keller (K3BZ)
This topic is getting old. Here's another point of view: Why should I let myself get aggravated over the poor operating habits of others? Why should their bad behavior take up my valuable time to give them the attention they want? I can't be bothered writing complaints or naming names or

Re: Topband: Outing The Scofflaws...

2012-11-12 Thread Michael Tope
Good advice, Mike. In fact, that's why I followed up my initial post with the suggestion that I had know way of knowing that the previously named offender was the actual perpetrator of the bad operating. In hindsight it would have been better to contact him privately and pass on my

Re: Topband: Outing the Scofflaws - Getting Old

2012-11-12 Thread Eddy Swynar
On 2012-11-12, at 12:35 PM, Jerry Keller (K3BZ) wrote: This topic is getting old. Here's another point of view: Why should I let myself get aggravated over the poor operating habits of others? Why should their bad behavior take up my valuable time to give them the attention they want?

Topband: Fw: Outing the Scofflaws - Getting Old

2012-11-12 Thread Bruce
This is my opinion also. The prestige of 160 comes from its degree of difficulty.Poor propagation, Jammers, QRM, QRN, and bad locations are all part of what makes it difficult. We then work to over come and make the contact with technology and operating practices as best we can. 73

Re: Topband: Fw: Outing the Scofflaws - Getting Old

2012-11-12 Thread Michael Tope
I understand what you are saying, Bruce, but we should remember that other DXers may not be the only ones listening: http://pt0s.com/about.html If you read this you will see that the folks who put this expedition went to a lot of trouble to get permission to operate on this entity. Part of

Re: Topband: PT0S

2012-11-12 Thread Doug Renwick
Last QSOs in the Database: 0927 UTC 10 November 2012 There are 533 QSOs in the Database Doug I'll run the race, and I will never be the same again. -Original Message- I spoke too fast, I'm not in their log for 160 or the 80 Q So I'm guessing there's pirates out there and this is

Re: Topband: PT0S

2012-11-12 Thread Slavek Zeler
PT0S - Europe has 160 and 80m incredibly strong signal. topband@contesting.com ___ Topband reflector - topband@contesting.com

Re: Topband: Fw: Outing the Scofflaws - Getting Old

2012-11-12 Thread Cecil
I'm just speculating here but back in the day (the W1BB days) the intentional QRM element was not present or at least as prevalent as today and what most folks would desire would be to remove that element from the challenge by some means. I don't think any of us desire to remove the natural

Re: Topband: Outing The Scofflaws...

2012-11-12 Thread Gary K9GS
Since I sort of started this with my post last night... I don't think that public humiliation is going to fix this problem. As others have pointed out, there is too much of a potential for abuse with people deliberately signing others callsigns, etc. I think the best is peer pressure from

Re: Topband: Outing The Scofflaws...

2012-11-12 Thread Gary K9GS
An interesting aside When PT0S was on 80M last night there was a W0 with a wide raspy signal. He was quite loud here in WI. He was calling about 8 up and his signal was so bad he was covering up the transmit frequency of the PT0. I sent him a courteous e-mail and he responded this

Re: Topband: Outing The Scofflaws...

2012-11-12 Thread Buck wh7dx
I don't like seeing all the comments I'm reading in the cluster reports. It's sad.. but it will pass soon. Like someone else pointed out.. I'd hate to see people turn away from all the hassles of an expedition like PT0S because of the acts of some. I haven't had contact with PT0S yet but I

Re: Topband: Outing The Scofflaws...

2012-11-12 Thread ZR
What gets me is the one who has a fantastic antenna farm but still has to resort to a tube with handles when he doesnt get thru right away with the store bought amp. The signal increase is dramatic and he is a regular on the forum. Carl KM1H It's like the guys we know who operate illegal

Re: Topband: Outing The Scofflaws...

2012-11-12 Thread Jim Brown
On 11/12/2012 8:36 AM, N1BUG wrote: I question how many good operators would have the... [ahem] courage to out the offenders. I am sufficiently disgusted with behavior in the pileups tonight and last night to observe that some using VE3XB repeatedly called PT0S when PT0S was repeatedly

Re: Topband: Fwd: Re: Fw: Outing the Scofflaws - Getting Old

2012-11-12 Thread Jim Brown
On 11/12/2012 1:48 PM, Mike(W5UC) Kathy (K5MWH) wrote: I just tell my system not to spot anything from W3LPL. I don't understand the objection to W3LPL spots. As I understand it, Frank is aggregating spots from a lot of skimmers and weeding out the bad one -- blown callsigns, flaky