Re: Topband: Zo of an individual CAT5 twisted pair

2013-08-12 Thread Jim Brown
On 8/12/2013 9:32 AM, James Rodenkirch wrote: Does it matter which twisted pair of wires I use? The Zo of all pairs is the same, to manufacturing tolerances, but each pair has a different twist ratio (called the lay). This is done to minimize crosstalk between pairs. A higher twist ratio

Re: Topband: Zo of an individual CAT5 twisted pair

2013-08-12 Thread Jim Garland
I believe that if you parallel two twisted pairs of a CAT5 cable, you'll have a 50 ohm transmission line.(Each twisted pair is 100 ohms). I've tried this with CAT5e cable and find it works well, even for transmitting, up to about 100W. The VSWR match was very close to 50 ohms. The problem is

Re: Topband: Zo of an individual CAT5 twisted pair

2013-08-12 Thread James Rodenkirch
Well, Jim, here is what N4IS stated (bolded words my emphasis) - looks like he found the twisted pair to reduce the noise OR am I reading it incorrectly? Or are there two different noises being discussed??? www.t6lg.com The noise level was unbearable for low bands, Ilian was not able

Re: Topband: Zo of an individual CAT5 twisted pair

2013-08-12 Thread Jim Brown
On 8/12/2013 9:46 AM, James Rodenkirch wrote: Well, Jim, here is what N4IS stated (bolded words my emphasis) - looks like he found the twisted pair to reduce the noise Yes, but there's a bit more to it. Twisted pair, by its nature, minimizes noise pickup. That rejection is maximized if the

Re: Topband: CAT5 twisted pair

2013-08-12 Thread Charlie Cunningham
Jim, I completely agree with Jim Brown! I noted those 2:1 transformers the other day and meant to send you a note to say that I wouldn't bother! That little bit of mismatch loss won't make any difference! 73, Charlie, K4OTV -Original Message- From: Topband

Re: Topband: CAT5 twisted pair

2013-08-12 Thread James Rodenkirch
OH...okee dokee on not needing the 2:1 xfmr From: charlie-cunning...@nc.rr.com To: j...@audiosystemsgroup.com; topband@contesting.com Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 17:12:59 -0400 Subject: Re: Topband: CAT5 twisted pair Jim, I completely agree with Jim Brown! I noted those 2:1 transformers

Re: Topband: Zo of an individual CAT5 twisted pair

2013-08-12 Thread James Rodenkirch
Well, I have the wiring scheme all written out and plan on labeling each connection and checking twice and three times b4 soldering up the connection boxes and then connecting to the loop itself.great dialogue, fellas. Thank you ALL so much!!! Great learning experience, trust me --

Re: Topband: CAT5 twisted pair

2013-08-12 Thread Charlie Cunningham
J From: James Rodenkirch [mailto:rodenkirch_...@msn.com] Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 6:04 PM To: Charlie Cunningham; j...@audiosystemsgroup.com; topband@contesting.com Subject: RE: Topband: CAT5 twisted pair OH...okee dokee on not needing the 2:1 xfmr From:

Re: Topband: Zo of an individual CAT5 twisted pair

2013-08-12 Thread Charlie Cunningham
Well, we're mostly all 'ol farts, Jim, but the alternative is GRIM! 73, Charlie. K4OTV -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of James Rodenkirch Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 6:08 PM To: JC N4IS; j...@audiosystemsgroup.com;

Re: Topband: Zo of an individual CAT5 twisted pair

2013-08-12 Thread William Schneider
Sent via BlackBerry by ATT -Original Message- From: Bruce k...@myfairpoint.net Sender: Topband topband-boun...@contesting.com Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 13:42:17 To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Topband: Zo of an individual CAT5 twisted pair I am using a twisted pair, with shield,

Re: Topband: Zo of an individual CAT5 twisted pair

2013-08-12 Thread James Rodenkirch
When asked, these days, how my day is going, Charlie, I respond with, Going great 'cuz I am on the green side of the grass! From: charlie-cunning...@nc.rr.com To: rodenkirch_...@msn.com; n...@comcast.net; j...@audiosystemsgroup.com; topband@contesting.com Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 18:18:28

Re: Topband: Zo of an individual CAT5 twisted pair

2013-08-12 Thread Mike Waters
Maybe I'm too easily entertained, but I think it would be fun to try 1500W+ through it on 160 sometime. Years ago, I did that with RG-58C/U on 10 meters. Just because I could. :-) Not that I plan on using CAT5 cable for anything except my LAN here, but it might actually surprise us. I've ran over

Re: Topband: Vertical vs inverted L question/opinions

2013-08-12 Thread Carl
Seldom mentioned and worth repeating. The L has a bit of high angle radiation which can be useful at times. The T cancels it. Carl KM1H - Original Message - From: Mike Waters mikew...@gmail.com To: topband topband@contesting.com Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2013 5:48 PM Subject: Re:

Re: Topband: Vertical vs inverted L question/opinions

2013-08-12 Thread Goldtr8 (KD8NNU)
Thanks everyone for all the replies. I guess that I will work on several things now for the next winter season. First is the standby length of wire to use as an inverted L which I used as a fan vertical last winter. Second I will also play with the coil loading on the 80m vertical and do

Topband: Beverage over Inverted L

2013-08-12 Thread AA8R
All, I have 160m inverted L and the only way I can get a 500' plus beverage out to the NE/SW is over top of the radials that are on the ground. In my research it looks like I'm inviting RF to be induced into the L's feedline and back into my ICOM 756 PROIII.Not good. Does anyone know

Re: Topband: Lightning QRN season?

2013-08-12 Thread Mike Waters
Tonight was a perfect example of that. N2RK called CQ DX for the longest time, and he had a great S/N ratio from multiple stations on the RBN, including GW8IZR. I spotted him on the cluster, and so did HK1MW (Good copy northen Colombia). He was two or three S-units above the lightning QRN here,

Re: Topband: Beverage over Inverted L

2013-08-12 Thread Jose Orellana
http://www.ok1rr.com/index.php/technical-topics/39-yet-another-front-end-saver Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 17:15:47 -0400 From: a...@aol.com To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Topband: Beverage over Inverted L All, I have 160m inverted L and the only way I can get a 500' plus beverage out

Re: Topband: Beverage over Inverted L

2013-08-12 Thread Mike Waters
Back-to-back diodes and series lamps help, too. 73, Mike www.w0btu.com _ Topband Reflector