Re: Topband: Ferrites and verticals

2014-08-13 Thread Henk PA5KT
Hi, Jake, Jake starts with an interesting assumption: HF6V or ANY vertical. HF6V is not the same as any vertical, as the 1/4 wl on 20m 75 own coax which was delivered with the antenna acts as a matching stub on 20m. I have the same question: Is a choke needed, and where do I place it on a

Re: Topband: Ferrites and verticals

2014-08-13 Thread shristov
Henk PA5KT pa...@remijn.net wrote: Is a choke needed, and where do I place it on a regular 1/4 vertical and where on a HF[6|9]V? The purpose of a choke is to prevent the coax shield from becoming a part of your antenna. Do you want to connect directly to your antenna a long conductor with

Topband: Modeling the proverbial vertical on a beach

2014-08-13 Thread Richard Fry
The link in the opening post of this thread shows an interesting, animated analysis of the elevation gains of a monopole, based on a NEC far-field analysis not including the surface wave. I then posted this comment, Reality is that radiation leaving the monopole at elevation angles of at

Re: Topband: Ferrites and verticals

2014-08-13 Thread Tom W8JI
The answer below by Sinisa is one of the best and most factual I have ever seen. I would only add that when the coupling through air greatly exceeds the coupling through common mode, there is no reason to increase the choke impedance. Elevated radials are a different story, because common

Re: Topband: Modeling the proverbial vertical on a beach

2014-08-13 Thread Tom W8JI
this brings back a lot of memories..i arrived on rarotonga a week after a French Dxpidition did, who was set up in the K2KW motel room with vertical antennas on the beach just as you would imagine. the motel management said she was sorry, and set me up in a cottage (from the same motel)

Re: Topband: Modeling the proverbial vertical on a beach

2014-08-13 Thread Carl
There is a lot more to winning an all band DX contest besides a great 160M location. Tim and Frank picked locations carefully for low noise, used the various tools to understand propagation and the angles needed for 10-160M under all sunspot conditions, assembled a hi tech and reliable

Re: Topband: Modeling the proverbial vertical on a beach

2014-08-13 Thread w7dra
im ny life i have never been is a quieter radio location than rarotonga! mike w7dra On Wed, 13 Aug 2014 09:47:06 -0400 Tom W8JI w...@w8ji.com writes: this brings back a lot of memories..i arrived on rarotonga a week after a French Dxpidition did, who was set up in the K2KW motel

Re: Topband: anybody in Eu using JT-9 or JT-65

2014-08-13 Thread Dan Edward Dba East edwards
alexey yes, i understand the thinking, re JT-9 / JT-65; best QSO you never heard as W4ZV said...  and, 'if i did not hear it with my ears, it does not exist, I can not work it, it doesn't count' also.. still, ARRL DXCC desk doesn't care what mode we use, right?  sowhat the heck? as jim,

Re: Topband: Ferrites and verticals

2014-08-13 Thread jcjacob...@q.com
I asked a question on the above. Got answers, both here and direct.. BUT, Sinisa YT1NT, VE3EA, answered it in a way this old brain can comprehend. THANKS Sinisa!! Nuff said. Thanks to all. Now on to North facing owls and wenches. GRIN 73 K9WN Jake _

Re: Topband: Modeling the proverbial vertical on a beach

2014-08-13 Thread Yuri Blanarovich
Modeling programs are an excellent tool to calculate and predict some properties of antennas - radiators. What they do not see is the propagation mechanism after RF leaves the antenna. Space wave can be hugging wave. While the high frequencies signals behave more like high frequency sounds -

Re: Topband: Modeling the proverbial vertical on a beach

2014-08-13 Thread Merv Schweigert
Wow the more this thread goes the deeper the s**t gets, the first poster has no chance,, reminds me of a pig wrestling contest, you jump in and all you do is get is full of mud and s**t. Im heading down to the beach and going to holler real loud, see if any of you guys in CA can hear my

Re: Topband: Modeling the proverbial vertical on a beach

2014-08-13 Thread Tom W8JI
One would think if there was a 10-20 db penalty, it would show on skimmers and that W2GD would be unbeatable being on the water. I'm sure I'm missing something. What is it I am missing? A contest certainly is not only about transmit signal strength, nor is the lowest angle propagation always

Re: Topband: Modeling the proverbial vertical on a beach

2014-08-13 Thread Radio KH6O
Anyone who is familiar with the San Francisco Bay Area has noted KGO's three AM broadcast band transmitting antennas located *IN* the water of the East Bay. From KGO's history page: Three 300-foot towers were constructed, each anchored in salt water. KGO became the first San Francisco station to

Re: Topband: Modeling the proverbial vertical on a beach

2014-08-13 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
On 8/13/2014 8:12 PM, Radio KH6O wrote: Anyone who is familiar with the San Francisco Bay Area has noted KGO's three AM broadcast band transmitting antennas located *IN* the water of the East Bay. From KGO's history page: You would think this would make KGO a superstation, however, my