Jim,
This brings up something I have been wondering about. You make several
good points that I agree with. However, on one hand we have a very lossy
earth (for instance sand) which would mean less coupling to the ground from
the radials - acting more *like* a raised radial field. But if
Dave
CR8 Damoa would have been my second guess. Strangely I have seen three
W6ODD/CR8 cards for sale and in collections, but only two FN8 cards . But
after Frank, W3LPL mentioned that W6ODD made so few QSOs, it had to be that
one.
Art-N2AU
- Original Message -
From: Dave
Í would leave it alone, Mike! Your tuner or amplifier should be able to
tune out that small bit of reactance, I would think! And on 160 the excess
loss in the coax from a bit of VSWR is really negligible!
GL!
73,
Charlie, K4OTV
-Original Message-
From: Topband
Thanks to everyone who offered info about the effectiveness of
on-the-ground receive antennas operating under a snowpack.
73,
Jack K2RS
On 2/27/2015 7:12 AM, K1FZ-Bruce wrote:
I can believe this. If you think of earth as also capacitance to the
wire, the optimum frequency would go much
On Fri,2/27/2015 7:14 AM, Tom W8JI wrote:
I don't think a description like that paints an accurate picture of
what actually goes on.
I agree with Tom's analysis -- a good radial system SHIELDS the field
from the earth, returning the field and the IN PLACE OF the lossy earth.
Studying
On Fri,2/27/2015 2:33 PM, k8...@hughes.net wrote:
Now people swap qsl's for contacts that they personally never heard;
one's that their computers have worked instead
That's funny -- I work meteor scatter and other WSJT modes, and I damned
sure DO hear virtually all meteor scatter QSOs. There
Hi Guys,
My appreciation of computers in the Ham shack, I'm afraid, is limited to
placing the contest QSOs that I might make into Cabrillo format , post-contest,
for benefit of to-day's contest sponsors---and I was dragged, kicking
screaming all the way, into that stage, several years ago...!
Ufff
Again, again and again
Would be great to have a REMOTE reflector!!
73,
Jorge
Enviado desde mi iPhone
El 27/02/2015, a las 10:34, Eddy Swynar deswy...@xplornet.ca escribió:
Hi Guys,
My appreciation of computers in the Ham shack, I'm afraid, is limited to
placing the contest QSOs
The way I look at the recent rule tweak is that the ARRL is trying to recognize
evolving technology and trends in a manner harmonious to what's already been
acceptable under the DXCC rules.
Hasn't it been acceptable for a while now to go to the opposite side of the
country, work DX, and have
This is just another genie in a long list of genies that have been let
out of the bottle. We will all live through it.
Mike W0MU
On 2/27/2015 9:07 AM, Eddy Swynar wrote:
Hi Guys,
Wow...! What an interesting question I've posed re. my fictional
...working-North-Korea-from-a-remote-location
Hi Eddy,
You certainly can. However, you may not. I suspect the Japanese
regulatory agency will have some say in how you operate in Japan and
what you may use for a callsign. Your real question might be will
dishonest hams do this? Probably. But where are you going to find any
dishonest
I can believe this. If you think of earth as also capacitance to the
wire, the optimum frequency would go much lower.
Using radial wire grounds instead of deep ground rods, become part of
the problem.
A BOG antenna is much less forgiving than an above ground Beverage,
but can be a
... As I understand, the primary loss mechanism for ground mounted vertical
systems is EM field penetrating the lossy material below. To lower this
loss, one needs to prevent this ground penetration. ...
A monopole will not radiate without a return path for the r-f current
flowing into/on
Well, you probably can operate a remote station somewhere via the Internet
to work the next DXpedition to a rare-one, and/or North Korea if/when they
get on the air. The QSO should count for your 160M total - but ONLY for your
160M DXCC total from where the transmitter, receiver, and antennas are
Yes the DXCC award you have earned is yours.
But the problem is the publishing of the standings. The cheaters,
commercial RHR users, ethical types are all grouped together. If the
standings were not published, highlighted, promoted then it would be a
personal award. But when ALL are grouped
Eddy,
This is fine as long as you sign VE3XZ/JA drone.
Mike N2MS
On 02/27/2015 07:34 AM, Eddy Swynar wrote:
Hi Guys,
My appreciation of computers in the Ham shack, I'm afraid, is limited to
placing the contest QSOs that I might make into Cabrillo format ,
post-contest, for benefit of
Why does publishing the results change anything. Is there a prize for
being Honor Roll number 1?
How do you account for all the other dirty contacts on the DXCC rolls?
Those are just ignored and only remote contacts are the problem?
Once again they publish where you stand. If guess if you
You are suggesting something like WAS where all QSO have to be made within a
25 mile radius (something close to that).
73, Larry W6NWS
-Original Message-
From: Michael Adams
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 12:24 PM
To: topband@contesting.com
Subject: Re: Topband: Remote now DXCC??
Regarding the quotes below:
2.) We see any radial or counterpoise system, close to the radial or
counterpoise, has to have external fields. Those fields must extend out of
the counterpoise, and always cause loss when a counterpoise is near a lossy
media.
3.) We see we only mitigate the loss
Larry, you hit upon a very important point regarding ethical lapses not
being entirely victimless. Personally, I feel very strongly that when I
send a QSL to someone it should indicate the state, county, and grid
square where my station was located at the time of the contact. If my
QSL or LOTW
Dear friends, please who sells the FU-728F tube in the USA, besides RF
Parts?
Thanks in advance
--
Dick Rodrigues PY2RO
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This wouldn't be much of a problem if the callsign goes with the
station, not the operator.
The list operations were indeed like shooting fish in a barrel, but at
least (it seemed like) everyone used their own gun and their own
bullets...i.e., their own station callsign, from their own
Can anyone suggest the best freqs. to tune our 160m inverted-L for the CQ
WW SSB contest this weekend?
The antenna is a long way from the house, andt's tough to do that in the
pitch dark and cold. :-)
It seems to me that in the past, it's been about where the CW contests
always take place, and
A monopole will not radiate without a return path for the r-f current
flowing into/on it. In the case of a ground-mounted vertical monopole,
the first part of that return path is provided by the capacitive coupling
of the monopole to the earth around its base. Currents are generated in
that
I believe I understand what you are saying ... if you can't control it then
legalize it.
Doug
-Original Message-
thrown out a hotel upper storey window. Question: can I link myself via the
internet to some remote ...rent-a-station in, say, nearby Japan, and use
that station to QSO
Why are we centered on remote operations dirtying up the DXCC program?
DXCC is far from clean now and from the limited amount of reading
available people have been scamming DXCC long before I was licensed in 1978.
The ARRL recognizes that this is a new and upcoming technology and the
more
FWIW I agree after reading the position email that the ARRL is in effect
saying the problem is too big to solve by leaving it up to the op to do
the right thing without giving more explicit guidance on what the right
thing ought to be. So what are 'the better principles of ham radio these
days? As
I've thought about making at least my Beverage antennas accessible over the
Internet, on a small scale and likely not more than a few times a month. By
far, the main appeal of that would also be the enjoyment of doing it. Once
this project was done, and a few hams used it, the main thrill for me
For a number of reasons, I operate my regular Indiana QTH from here in
Montana. Here we have CCRs that limit me to very low invisible stealth
antennas and fewer bands, and being surrounded by mountains 2000 to 5000
feet higher does not help. So for DXCC purposes and for 160 meters I am in
Hi Guys,
Wow...! What an interesting question I've posed re. my fictional
...working-North-Korea-from-a-remote-location scenario...!
Amazingly enough, fully 7 of the direct respondents to me stated that---in one
way, shape, or form---one COULD, indeed, have the physical ability to do just
Having lived in the Newburgh area, I have to object again to this report
that I have tried to debunk before. I have earlier communicated this
objection to Mr. Fry which he chooses to ignore.
Given the topography of the area, this report is simply incomplete and
unproven unless the GPS coordinates
Response below ***
-Original Message-
Why does publishing the results change anything. Is there a prize for
being Honor Roll number 1?
*** yes
How do you account for all the other dirty contacts on the DXCC rolls?
Those are just ignored and only remote contacts are the problem?
... Simply put, the Newburgh area is at least a difficult area and at
worst an entirely inappropriate area to test this thesis. ...
Some may not be aware of the methodology used to determine the FCC
efficiency of an AM broadcast radiator (see
The higher you go, the easier to find and hold a run frequency. Action
extends way way above 1900. There will be a couple occupied net
frequencies along the way.
When I get home tonight, my normally 1820-optimized tuning, gets tweaked to
be centered closer to 1870 (maybe higher if I end up
*** Let me help out here. I have gone on record in past postings that I
personally do NOT have a problem with remote operations in the vicinity of
their home station. The problem is people using remotes in different
countries and on different sides of the continent to inflate their
Hi Mike!
If this year is like other years, 160m will be filled from one band edge
to the other.
Yes, the lower half will have more stations operating than the upper
half.
73
Lloyd - N9LB
On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 1:03 PM, Mike Waters wrote:
Can anyone suggest the best freqs. to tune our
Yes you are probably right that protesting won't change a thing. But should
that mean that when something negative like this happens, that voicing an
objection is not considered? Should we just shrug and say 'whatever'. Some
do say whatever. Yes cheating has been around for some time. The
The irony of setting out to win at all costs is that it cheapens the victories.
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Eddy,
You do have a computer in the shack. You are an internet operator.
Ham radio was one of the first forms of social media. We used to discuss
operating and contesting issues on the air with our nets. We replaced the radio
social media with internet groups and chat rooms.
I bet you're like
It's not that my opinion really matters to anyone but me. I was
thinking more that right or wrong, somebody somewhere will do wrong.
I wasn't thinking as much along the lines of the complaining not
helping (which it doesn't).
For instance: In my garage I have a tool, a 9 pound sledge hammer
I don't think signing VE3XZ/JA is good enough for remote through Japan.
The ones I know who do such stuff, have a special foreigner in JA call
that starts with 7J, and there's even a special block of callsigns for
club of foreigners in JA.
The truly groundbreaking remote operations I know of, are
For years, some time ago, there was a DXER who was always #1 on the ARRL
DXCC Honor Roll. He always had one more country than everybody else.
I've never been able to find out what that country ( or entity as they
call it now) was, i.e. a country that this top gun had worked and that
no other
Tim,
The whole call would be - VE3XZ/JA drone.
This was my attempt at satire. I am referring to remote operation as drone
operation
Who knows? Maybe the IARU will authorize the drone suffix.
Mike N2MS
- Original Message -
From: Tim Shoppa tsho...@gmail.com
To:
What bad thing happened? A bunch of guys made contacts. Nothing bad
happened.
A sick station owner gets to build a station and have people operate it.
In this case nothing bad happened. Why turn this into a witch hunt?
Everything was LEGAL!
Mike W0MU
On 2/27/2015 2:07 PM, Doug Renwick
Hi Frank,
You took the words out of my mouth or fingers.
Back in the 60s and 70s, I worked Charlie Mellen on 20 ssb quite often. Charlie
was # 1 on the Honor Roll followed by Marv W6VFR for many years. Look in the
old QSTs fron the 50s and 60s and you will see them both listed. Had a sked
Thanks Frank for the fascinating information. I guess Charlie, W1FH was
at the right place at the right time. Remember this was before spotting
and the internet as you were required to do a lot of listening across
the band to grab something as super rare as CR8.
Herb, KV4FZ
On 2/27/2015
French indo-China (FN8) was worked by many. I would put my money on
Damao (CR8) or Goa (CR8 also), both Portuguese enclaves on the coastline
of India. I assume you are referring to Charlie, W1FH.
Dave, W5UN
On 2/27/2015 10:50 PM, Art @ Linda wrote:
Herb
My guess would be that it was French
I think you've missed Eddy's point. Like him, I don't have a computer in the
shack. The radios are in my lab down in the basement; my computer is
upstairs in the computer room. Yes, I'm obviously on that computer now,
but I have never pretended that it's a radio! I used to enjoy working meteor
The ARRL could take the lead in creating an Unlimited class where anything
goes, which would at least by implication
recognize the folks like me who would rather engineer around the
limitations of their QTH and get the DXCC awards
the old fashioned way. Seems to me the awards are traditionally
Herb
My guess would be that it was French India FN8.
Art-N2AU
- Original Message -
From: Herbert Schoenbohm he...@vitelcom.net
To: TopBand List topband@contesting.com
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 5:01 PM
Subject: Topband: #1 on the DXCC Honor Roll
For years, some time ago,
Hi Herb,
The DXer you're referring to is Charlie Mellen W1FH and the deleted
DXCC entity is CR8 Damao, Diu. He kindly loaned my his CR8 QSL
for a DXCC QSL display at the 1966 ARRL National Convention in
1966.
W6ODD/CR8 made 55 QSOs on August 2, 1948, the only activity
from this DXCC entity
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