Re: Topband: Polyphaser

2015-03-01 Thread Art Snapper
Polyphaser made a tester. http://wrblock.com/WRBproducts/DIGIfist/DigiFIST.html Possibly a land mobile shop in your area has one. Essentially they generated low current, high voltage until the tube fired. Perhaps it is different with HF, but in my land mobile experience, if the supressor was

Re: Topband: Polyphaser

2015-03-01 Thread Cecil
They also made an earlier version that had an analog meter. It would indicate the clamping voltage. Typical failure mode for the Polyphaser is an open gas tube that doesn't clamp... You loose protection and don't know it... I've also been told they also have a shelf life and at times the

Re: Topband: [Bulk] Improving low angle reception DX Eng 8 ele Circle RCV Array

2015-03-01 Thread donovanf
Hi Doug, I also use passive verticals in my 350 foot diameter W8JI 8-circle array. Reliability has been excellent (no failures in three years) because there are no sensitive electronic components in the array, except for the relays at the center of the array. Many deer traverse my receiving

Re: Topband: DXCC Program Integrity

2015-03-01 Thread Herbert Schoenbohm
Maybe so Anthony but I distinctly recall attending a a IARU Region 2 conference some years ago in Ocho Rios, Jamaica and I was amazed at how many people from HQ along with their wives or partners that were booked in the 5 Star hotel where the conference was being held. It was almost like HQ

Re: Topband: Polyphaser

2015-03-01 Thread Tom W8JI
When I test things like that, I high pot them with a home made tester. Things like this are not difficult to make. You can buy a surplus HV power supply used to ionize air for a few bucks, and stick it in a box with a meter on it. You don't need to get fancy, just check it for breakdown

Topband: Polyphaser

2015-03-01 Thread Greg Wilson
Does anyone know how to test a Polyphaser to know if it is still good? I have some that have seen some lightning storms and was wondering if they are still doing the job. Thanks, Greg _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband

Re: Topband: Polyphaser

2015-03-01 Thread Brad Rehm
I don't know if the policy is still in place, but I remember that Polyphaser used to offer free testing of their products if you sent them back to the factory. Words about it were buried somewhere in their catalog, and I used the service many years ago when I was about to put one of their old

Re: Topband: Question...

2015-03-01 Thread Eddy Swynar
On 2015-02-27, at 4:04 PM, mstang...@comcast.net wrote: Eddy, You do have a computer in the shack. You are an internet operator. Ham radio was one of the first forms of social media. We used to discuss operating and contesting issues on the air with our nets. We replaced the radio

Re: Topband: Modeling Ground and losses

2015-03-01 Thread Richard Fry
Reply to W8JI post of Sat, 28 Feb 2015 19:14:07 -0500: The source of the r-f current flowing on buried radials is the r-f current flowing in the earth as a result of radiation from the vertical monopole. (etc) It seems to me that answer ignores other effects. 1.) If we remove the earth,

Re: Topband: [Bulk] Improving low angle reception DX Eng 8 ele Circle RCV Array

2015-03-01 Thread Doug Renwick
Hmmm. I have had excellent success with that DXE 4- quare system. I use my own verticals and the only problem is deer catching the top hat string and bending the vertical. 70 ft baselines seems short as the recommended is 135 ft for 160m. I find it very forgiving as the system works even if

Re: Topband: Modeling Ground and losses

2015-03-01 Thread Tom W8JI
If the total energy flowing into the monopole system with buried radials is dictated only by its hard-wired connection through the transmission line back to the transmitter, then what is accounting for the reduction of its radiated power? Nothing I said even remotely implies loss would be the

Re: Topband: Polyphaser

2015-03-01 Thread Cecil
Polyphaser made a test box for a few years...model was F.I.S.T. 4. Worked really well.. Watch ebay...they may turn up there at times. Cecil K5DL Sent using recycled electrons. On Mar 1, 2015, at 5:27 PM, Tom W8JI w...@w8ji.com wrote: When I test things like that, I high pot them with a

Re: Topband: Modeling Ground and losses

2015-03-01 Thread Bill Aycock
Richard-- Is it conventional to compare the surface wave fields at a distance so near the Radial length and the wave length? 0.1 km Sounds like a lot, but it is only 100m, which is low, in Lambda terms.. Bill--W4BSG -Original Message- From: Richard Fry Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2015

Re: Topband: [Bulk] Improving low angle reception DX Eng 8 ele Circle RCV Array

2015-03-01 Thread W0MU Mike Fatchett
I was just re reading the DXE manual on the circle array and they discuss adding 15 ft radials of 10 to 15 feet or adding a couple of ground rods per antenna. The first thing I will do is see if I can grow the array another 30ish feet in diameter so it works best on 80 and will work but not

Re: Topband: Inverted L height vs. length.

2015-03-01 Thread Mike Coreen Smith VE9AA
24 hours and even not one comment? What if I had a BOG for RX, buried, uninsulated radials and had worked K1N with it during my move into a Brave New World? Maybe I really should've said I was renting the station out for hire to offshore stns only, to be used to work rare countries, during

Re: Topband: Inverted L height vs. length.

2015-03-01 Thread W0MU Mike Fatchett
I have used one inverted L and the horses wiped it out a few years ago. I had about 70 ft of vertical and the rest horizontal. I am not sure how much interaction the tree will have if you run the wire next to it. The end sloping down will affect the match if my memory serves. If that is

Re: Topband: Inverted L height vs. length.

2015-03-01 Thread Doug Renwick
I can speculate that your mail box would be overflowing and you could retire comfortably especially if you had a 160m station that worked. Sri Tom, I couldn't resist having some fun. Doug -Original Message- 24 hours and even not one comment? Maybe I really should've said I was renting

Re: Topband: Modeling Ground and losses

2015-03-01 Thread Tom W8JI
The source of the r-f current flowing on buried radials is the r-f current flowing in the earth as a result of radiation from the vertical monopole. (etc) It seems to me that answer ignores other effects. 1.) If we remove the earth, the radials still have current. Yes, but then the

Re: Topband: 160 Tower on 80

2015-03-01 Thread Paul Christensen
This is why wide broadcast towers, even 1/2 wave tall towers, can have reasonably low impedances at the base.² Agreed. I have found it very difficult to model accurate complex base Z measurements of wide broadcast towers (i.e., low height/diam. ratio) that are of the 180-195 degree variety -

Re: Topband: DXCC Program Integrity

2015-03-01 Thread Tom W8JI
This one interesting sentence, made in another thread, may be at the root of much of the disagreement expressed in the last few days with regards to DXCC. It does cause one to wonder why the award exists at all. If DXCC only matters to the recipient, why wouldn't their logbook serve the same

Re: Topband: DXCC Program Integrity

2015-03-01 Thread Doug Renwick
Larry I admire your ability to see past the 'smoke and mirrors' and expose the hypocrisy of the ARRL DXCC program. What you have said is true. The ARRL speaks out of both corners of their mouth. There will be others who will object to you exposing the DXCC program and there will be others who

Topband: DXCC Program Integrity

2015-03-01 Thread Larry Burke
The integrity of the program is irrelevant This one interesting sentence, made in another thread, may be at the root of much of the disagreement expressed in the last few days with regards to DXCC. It does cause one to wonder why the award exists at all. If DXCC only matters to the recipient,

Re: Topband: Question...

2015-03-01 Thread mstangelo
Eddy, Unfortunately many technical nets have been replaced by group discussions. I participate in the group discussions but I enjoy talking about station and antenna setups and hearing the results of the experimentation on the air. My 160 inverted L came down during the first snowfall of the

Re: Topband: 160 Tower on 80

2015-03-01 Thread Tom W8JI
Hi all, I have a 90 foot Rohn 25 tower with an insulated base and insulated guy wire sections for top loading ,base fed for 160 meters. It work great ,but I would like to use it on 80 meters as well. The 3 ideas I have considered are voltage feed at the base with a resonant LC network at the

Re: Topband: DXCC Program Integrity

2015-03-01 Thread W0MU Mike Fatchett
I think the ARRL does many good things for Amateur Radio. They are also involved in things that are good for them and not so much for us. Their latest call for comments is directly related to the RM11708 issue. The DXCC program history is certainly not a beacon of purity and transparency is

Re: Topband: DXCC Program Integrity

2015-03-01 Thread Anthony Scandurra
I don't see ARRL staff pulling down six figure salaries, driving expensive cars, or living in mansions. Why do we always assume there is an ulterior and possibly malicious motive? The inescapable fact is that the ARRL needs funds to fight for us in Washington. The ARRL is not perfect, but no

Re: Topband: Modeling Ground and losses

2015-03-01 Thread Richard Fry
The feedpoint connection, in all cases of vertical antennas, whether the system is shunt fed or series fed, or even if it is an end-fed half wave, ties one feed terminal to the ground or counterpoise system. It has to be that way, and the current out into that counterpoise (whatever the

Topband: Improving low angle reception DX Eng 8 ele Circle RCV Array

2015-03-01 Thread W0MU Mike Fatchett
I just recently hooked up my 8 ele rcv array and I was not too sure if it was working correctly. I will need to do some maintenance and checking when the snow is gone to make sure each element is working right. I chose the 160/80/40m which is close to 50 ft radius circle. I may opt to make

Re: Topband: [Bulk] Improving low angle reception DX Eng 8 ele Circle RCV Array

2015-03-01 Thread Grant Saviers
My 4 sq DXE exhibits similar no directivity at times. I think it is high angle signals. I did add three 20 foot radials to each antenna, I don't think it matters what the vertical element is, a little better grounding is good. My soil is wet/swampy forest/grass mix and I don't think they