Topband: On FT8, noise bandwidths, filters, and signal vs noise.

2018-12-20 Thread DXer
Tim, I'm a QLF CW operator. Yes, that bad. :^) What you described below is exactly what I go through during a contest. Unless I switch back and forth between narrow and wide, I cannot listen for very long on narrow. For the wider Topband audience: Set the BW to 3 kHz, this is how wide the

Re: Topband: On FT8, noise bandwidths, filters, and signal vs noise.

2018-12-20 Thread JC
Hi Tim You wrote < In VHF/UHF and EME weak-signal CW work, a lot of operators also liked listening with wider RX filters too, often preferring Gaussian filter shapes, and letting their ear pull the signal out of the noise.> I may be just normal because my experience on EME CW is very different.

Re: Topband: FT8 - How it really works

2018-12-20 Thread jon jones
Jerry: Clever way to evaluate FT8 SNR reports with your VFO 1 and 2 comparisons. I often see positive numbers on FT8 160 meter signal reports for strong stations on FT8. For example -- if a station is S9 + 10 dB audible, then it reads a positive number for the FT8 signal report. At the risk

Re: Topband: FT8 - How it really works

2018-12-20 Thread Martin
Correct me if im wrong: A K3 owner could easily check this. You need 2 computers, running WSJT on both. Don't know if you can run 2 instances of WSJT on a single computer. Feed the left channel from LINE OUT (=mainRX) to one instance of FT-8 and the right channel (=sub-RX) to the other

Re: Topband: FT8 - How it really works

2018-12-20 Thread Patrik Hrvatin
Hi,Narroving filter in WSJT-X digi modes will degrade decodes! Best performance you'll get using wide open filters on you radio.I sugest you to look at the WSJT-X archives and find the answer to your question by the author it self - K1JT.As we are radio Amateurs i beleive its worth to

Re: Topband: On FT8, noise bandwidths, filters, and signal vs noise.

2018-12-20 Thread Gary Smith
Speaking to the narrowness of filters for CW; I recently had an issue with my K3s which has the dual Rx and a full compliment of filters with 200Hz the most narrow in the main & Sub Rx receivers. I sent it for repair and used my backup K3 which has been upgraded to essentially a K3s with

Re: Topband: FT8 - How it really works

2018-12-20 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV
On 2018-12-20 11:45 AM, K4SAV wrote: > In the case of a crowded band it becomes obvious that CW is much > superior to decoding a weak signal because all those strong signals > limit the ability of FT8 to decode a weak signal. That is only true if you leave AGC enabled and the strong signals

Topband: On FT8, noise bandwidths, filters, and signal vs noise.

2018-12-20 Thread Tim Shoppa
I broadly enjoy the digital modes, especially RTTY, and have been using some FT8 outside of contests. A signal power that FT8 reports as being at -15dB, is easily heard and copied by ear by any decent CW operator. I think a really good CW operator could pull (maybe with a few repeats) callsigns

Re: Topband: FT8 - How it really works

2018-12-20 Thread K4SAV
Thanks to the folks commenting on how FT8 works. VE3KI said: "The noise floor the wsjt-x signal is referenced to is the noise within the bandpass during the two-second period when no-one is transmitting, not the signal level when people are transmitting." That was what I originally thought

Re: Topband: FT8 - How it really works

2018-12-20 Thread ly2ij
HI, Thanks for sharing experience! Question to FT8 and "noise" relations - In usual case everything in passband is noise except signal of interest. So with only one FT8 signal and white noise in passband S/N can be increased narrowing passband till it matches signal width. EME guys know that

Re: Topband: choke/bleeder resistor on RXvertical?

2018-12-20 Thread Wes Stewart
Noise is signal spread over a large bandwidth,  We tune our receivers to a frequency to copy signals in a relatively narrow bandwidth.  Nevertheless, there is some of that noise in that same bandwidth.  How does placing a resistor or choke to ground reduce the noise while not reducing the

Re: Topband: choke/bleeder resistor on RXvertical?

2018-12-20 Thread w5zn
Hi Jamie, I assume you are referring to short RX verticals similar to those used in the Hi-Z and other arrays with a 20 to 25 ft vertical element. I have extensive experience with these and have the HiZ-8 on 160, the passive BSEF-8 array with 25 ft "umbrella" verticals on both 160 and 80