Re: Topband: We need better preamps for 160 because FT8 activity

2023-05-23 Thread n0tt1
"Any new ideas on high performance preamps for 160m?? " The only thing I can suggest is to build the front end of the preamp as if it were a JW Miller style crystal radio, followed by the amp itself. Yep, crystal radio. Those sets had a bandwidth of ~10khz. Super selective and, yes, on 160m the

Topband: We need better preamps for 160 because FT8 activity

2023-05-23 Thread n4is
Hi Folks I am following the conversation about LOG RX antennas, I understand the pain from a noise city lot on 160m. it is hard. I am using Waller Flag's vertical, since 2006, and horizontal since 2010, however vertical noise is so bad with new solar panels and EV charges , on top of LED

Re: Topband: Loop on Ground receiving antenna.

2023-05-23 Thread Frank W3LPL
Hi Roger, Your loft-mounted small receiving loop is working well, congratulations! Your somewhat reduced null depth at night is caused by horizontally polarized signals leaking into the side of your loop. That can be improved only by locating it near the ground Well done OM! 73 Frank W3LPL

Topband: LOG RX Antennas

2023-05-23 Thread Dennis W0JX via Topband
Two years ago just for laughs I made up a larger LOG RX antenna. It was 25 feet on a side. Feed point impedance was high so a matching transformer was necessary. Output about -30 db. The pattern maxes out at an angle around 50 degrees but there is some useful response at lower 160 meter type

Re: Topband: Loop on Ground receiving antenna.

2023-05-23 Thread Roger Kennedy
Many thanks for the replies (some direct) . . . it seems the LOG IS rubbish. And Frank, considering what you say, my 6ft Vertical Loop in the Loft works surprisingly well. It's obviously NOT near the ground, and there is mains wiring running along the floor underneath it (to the lights in the

Re: Topband: Loop on Ground receiving antenna.

2023-05-23 Thread Frank W3LPL
Hi Roger, Any 160 meter receiving antenna laying on conductive soil will have extremely low RF output and you'll need at least 40 dB of preamp gain with very low noise figure and you must take extreme measures to control common mode currents. Antennas NEAR the ground perform dramatically better

Re: Topband: Loop on Ground receiving antenna.

2023-05-23 Thread Jerry and Faye
You are correct.  It is rubbish.  I built it and recorded measurements because there was so much hype about it.  I got exactly what I expected.  A high angle omnidirectional antenna is not a DX receiving antenna.  However if you are into NVIS it actually will improve S/N for those signals

Topband: Loop on Ground receiving antenna.

2023-05-23 Thread Roger Kennedy
I just tried making a Loop on the Ground to see if it would be any lower noise than my 6ft 160m Loop up in the loft. I followed several people's suggested dimensions . . . so 15 feet each side, feeding it in the middle of the side pointing West with a 450:50 ohm transformer . . . And it's