Re: Topband: Verticals on the beach

2022-12-29 Thread Grant Saviers
My experience with two elevated resonant radials near (0.1 to 0.2 wavelengths) the tide line has been very positive during 4 DXpeditions. The coverage is almost 180 degrees in the direction of the salt water parallel to the tide line. The results are very good for verticals less than 0.5

Re: Topband: Ground conductivity discussions

2022-12-04 Thread Grant Saviers
Sounds like a great project. Isn't the reality that conductors (radials) in or near lossy mediums (earth, even salt water) have loss? And that the near field extends beyond the 1/4wl of the radials? The coupling among elements might be the reason 4:1 matching was used. So while more &

Re: Topband: How good is good enough

2022-11-12 Thread Grant Saviers
The 34 ohms is the sum of Rr (antenna radiation Z over perfect ground) and Rg (ground R loss). Rr depends on the dimensions of the L plus a bit of wire loss. My guess is Rr is about 10 ohms less than 34 ohms, some easy modeling will determine it. Then it is a question of what antenna

Re: Topband: J28MD, conditions

2022-11-06 Thread Grant Saviers
On 11/6/2022 09:02, Artek Manuals wrote: In the end it is a signal to noise problem. And there are more than two sides to that coin. 1. DXpedition site noise - a big risk factor with little that can be known (except for desert islands) or solved in advance . 2. Differences in noise at

Re: Topband: Working 'long' distances on 160m

2022-09-25 Thread Grant Saviers
always confounded me when it comes to measuring ACTUAL arrival angles Dave NR1DX On 9/25/2022 10:25 AM, Grant Saviers wrote: My perspective as originally a "1" in Boston and now residing near Seattle, is the nickname "suffering sevens" is well applied to my friends here in

Re: Topband: Working 'long' distances on 160m

2022-09-25 Thread Grant Saviers
My perspective as originally a "1" in Boston and now residing near Seattle, is the nickname "suffering sevens" is well applied to my friends here in the Pacific Northwest. Simply, for the PNW, distance isn't that meaningful - it's path that matters (and latitude). What was easy in Boston at

Re: Topband: Skirted vertical antennas for MF broadcast

2022-04-07 Thread Grant Saviers
I think the disc-cone is a close relative. There is one of these on the bow of the Iowa BB in Long Beach. During a tour by W6HB, I was told they would have 25+ full duplex TTY circuits open at one time on this and 4 whip antennas mounted on the superstructure. Another piece of battleship

Re: Topband: History of directional MF antennas

2022-03-30 Thread Grant Saviers
built. I was impressed but did not fully appreciate its importance.  I had forgotten about that visit till I read this message thread. 73 Pete - N8TR At 01:25 PM 3/30/2022, Grant Saviers wrote: The reference book of patterns for 2 and 3 element verticals is Directional Antennas, by Carl E

Re: Topband: History of directional MF antennas

2022-03-30 Thread Grant Saviers
Thanks for an interesting article. I did a little reverse engineering from the KYW 1934 "4 square" picture and commentary. A figure 8 pattern was the objective. It seems to have used 8 radials elevated 10ft per tower. The text says "55,000 feet of wire" in radial "cages". A little tough

Re: Topband: Relay bounce

2022-02-22 Thread Grant Saviers
Small signal, dry contact relays are made from different contact materials than power relays made for higher voltages and currents. Any fix that cleans them or removes the surface oxide that inhibits low voltage signal transmission will likely be temporary. Plus the high power relays are

Re: Topband: Series LC to notch AM broadcast ?

2022-02-20 Thread Grant Saviers
Somewhat related was my effort to produce a pair of 80m notches so CW and SSB could run 80m simultaneously on Field Day (separate antennas). While the CW guys would be ok with 20KHz BW, not so for the SSB team. Just below a Rx 40db notch was about the best I could do with a one db loss Tx.

Re: Topband: Balloon Supported Vertical

2021-11-09 Thread Grant Saviers
Having watched/been watched by the TARS aerostat radar off the coast of FL, I would think that the "balloon" shape that generates lift with wind would be the better choice for 160m verticals. Helikite also balloon plus kite https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allsopp_Helikite Never tried one, but

Re: Topband: Balloon Supported Vertical

2021-11-08 Thread Grant Saviers
Another choice is to buy a cylinder, which is what most consumer/retail users now do in the US. The 150 ft^3 cylinders were going for around $180 empty pre covid. The specific cylinder can be refilled or exchanged which has the advantage of free pressure recertification (at least at my

Re: Topband: elevated radials question

2021-10-25 Thread Grant Saviers
Don't connect elevated radials to on/in ground radials. There is a huge ground loss for 4ft high radials on 160m. 7ft is far better and 10 ft is pretty good. There are "W" shaped radial feeds with the base near to the ground but IMO it is better to elevate the feedpoint to radial height and

Re: Topband: TopBand DownUnder

2021-09-14 Thread Grant Saviers
1 5:21 PM, Grant Saviers wrote:     > I've not heard the term "accordian" applied, but the Tornado Tuner     > expands and compresses a coil inside some pvc pipe to change L     about     > 2:1.  I have one (split) to tune the full 80m band at the center     of an     > 86ft

Re: Topband: TopBand DownUnder

2021-09-14 Thread Grant Saviers
I've not heard the term "accordian" applied, but the Tornado Tuner expands and compresses a coil inside some pvc pipe to change L about 2:1. I have one (split) to tune the full 80m band at the center of an 86ft rotatable dipole. Your choice of Al or Cu coil tubing with a small Portescap

Re: Topband: Materials for Beverages?

2021-08-03 Thread Grant Saviers
N7QT & I verified that black ring screw-in insulators are too conductive for one or two transmit radials on 160m. Lot's of arcs and smoke. I now use the yellow 4" long barb wire insulators screwed to trees to support 160m elevated Tx radials. Black may not be a problem with Beverage field

Re: Topband: Aluminum fence wire for Beverage

2021-04-14 Thread Grant Saviers
I've had 8x 125ft long 10ft elevated aluminum radials up for 7 years in the forest of 100ft+ cedar, fir, and hemlock. Plenty of branch falls up to 3". Maybe a few inches of sag and no breaks. Negligible stretch. Using US brand real electric fence wire, 13 gauge. 9 ga is available. Grant

Re: Topband: Broad band antenna approach for 160 Contesting

2021-02-28 Thread Grant Saviers
Rick at al, My comments in line On 2/28/2021 12:31, Richard (Rick) Karlquist wrote: On 2/28/2021 7:40 AM, Grant Saviers wrote: The nice thing about switched serial caps (if same values) for tuning upwards from a low resonance is the voltages are all the same. Plus caps and appropriate

Re: Topband: Broad band antenna approach for 160 Contesting

2021-02-28 Thread Grant Saviers
The nice thing about switched serial caps (if same values) for tuning upwards from a low resonance is the voltages are all the same. Plus caps and appropriate relays are cheap, easy, and small. Rick, I think you might have suggested this to me, and my implementation was published in QEX

Re: Topband: Coax as wire for reversible beverage

2021-01-28 Thread Grant Saviers
Based on poor results (very low rdf) with no messanger RG6 over a barb wire fence I built and subsequent modeling that showed this, I think another parallel conductor near any Beverage is not a good idea. It was easy to support the plain RG6 with PVC pipes tied to posts and I think extending

Re: Topband: One Way Propagation.

2021-01-17 Thread Grant Saviers
Then with FT8, the "db" rating depends on S/N not signal power. I hear well so my report is most frequently better than received. The big guns are an exception with well engineered stations in good locations. However, FT8 "db's" being S/N do wash out the gain loss when using Rx antennas.

Re: Topband: Phased Short Beverages

2021-01-12 Thread Grant Saviers
The advice we were given from Hi-Z for a new 4 square was not more elevation difference between elements than ~4 feet. ~20% of element length. The topography that happens between elements, eg spanning a creek, might not matter much given the simple single ground rod ground per element, but

Re: Topband: Inverted J antennas?

2021-01-12 Thread Grant Saviers
For a portable helix loaded 160m vertical, I measured 1 and 2 127ft radials at 3.5ft and 6.5ft above ground (average or worse) and found a significant difference in the resonance R. 1 radial 3.5ft 50 ohms 1 radial @ 6.5ft 33 ohms 2 radials @ 6.5ft 28 ohms Which quantified the change in ground

Re: Topband: (2wire) Beverage transformers

2021-01-03 Thread Grant Saviers
I question the wisdom of grounding the feedline shields at the antenna for either open wire or coax designs. Was this a error in the schematic? The bidirectional design using a coaxial cable shield for the antenna does not need center tapped transformers. Good RG6 is ridiculously cheap and

Re: Topband: standoff for inv L

2020-12-27 Thread Grant Saviers
I've been using 8' 1.5" dia painted fiberglass top and bottom of my 85ft T as standoffs from a fir tree. An 18" long bracket is lagged to the tree both places to make it stable and lower the FG stress. OK after 6 years, occasional ice and snow. PVC gets very flabby at 80F and higher and

Re: Topband: I need help proofing an Inverted L model I made please. 40’ x 143’, four 100’ radials, #14 wire.

2020-12-11 Thread Grant Saviers
Rudy Severns has many plots of elevated radial numbers, lengths, and elevations on his web site antennasbyn6lf.com My "T" showed the expected change in feedpoint Z as I added 125ft long 10ft elevated radials from 2 to the current 8. The last two made no measurable difference. From Rudy's

Re: Topband: EZNEC Ground Errors

2020-12-11 Thread Grant Saviers
For a literal "pair of radio wave glasses": Given the vertical gain of a practical 160 dipole is pretty much cloud burner and a decent 160 vertical is pretty much low angle, IF you know the actual real gain patterns, then it is possible to compare signal amplitudes (probably real time

Re: Topband: Suggestions for vertical at HG0R

2020-11-07 Thread Grant Saviers
I agree with Dave's comments based on measurements and modeling of two different similarly sized top loaded verticals. Grant KZ1W On 11/7/2020 07:49, Dave Cuthbert wrote: Steve, *I believe there is a measurement error. * 1. The reactive part of the input impedance should not become more

Re: Topband: RX Power over Coax

2020-10-07 Thread Grant Saviers
Rick, Did you CM choke the power and signal leads? or the whole cable? Grant KZ1W On 10/7/2020 07:22, Mark - N5OT wrote: In my head this is becoming "101 uses for old network cable" which is great because I've got a ton of it coiled up neatly and set aside but not thrown away :-)  Thanks

Re: Topband: Common mode choking of beverages - which side of grounded shack entry panel?

2020-10-05 Thread Grant Saviers
My DX Eng 4 sq (12v over RG6 to preamps) has had infuriating random arc noise for years and the W3LPL explanation makes great sense to me as the reason. I did silicone grease the F threads but followed the "CW advice" to not flood the connector so I have a project to do that. Hi-Z had a

Re: Topband: [bevantennas] Ground screen under beverage....

2020-10-01 Thread Grant Saviers
Worse than "not the best" or "not a good idea" from prior experimentation. My two Beverages 6 feet up (10' total Z) over a 4 strand barb wire fence did not work - very poor directivity. One N-S and one E-W. Then some NEC2 modeling showed 6db directivity over 3 strands of barb wire. However,

Re: Topband: Horizontal Waller Flag

2020-09-12 Thread Grant Saviers
There have been a few comments about Rx antenna chokes. What I built may be of interest. 10 turns of RG179 micro TFE 75 ohm coax thru a Fair-Rite 2631101902 #31 core (1.12od x 1.125L x .54id). Wound thru a 3d printed form with 10 slots that keeps the turns disciplined in order. Measured R

Re: Topband: Rotator Potentiometer shunt fed twr

2020-08-24 Thread Grant Saviers
I fried the reed switch turns counter in my variable L tuned 80m dipole. A bozo moment at QRO way off tune. So, I think all sensors need protection from high RF fields. Grant KZ1W On 8/24/2020 09:25, Phil Duff wrote: At least 2 rotor manufacturers (Orion, Spid) have used a simple pulse

Re: Topband: Soldering aluminum coax shield to copper wire

2020-06-01 Thread Grant Saviers
Given the thickness of the foil and the likely surface treatment, I think soldering is going to be difficult. I've watched a TIG welding genius butt weld Coors aluminum cans (<0.004" thick) together. That might work. Maybe a spot weld ala a Si chip wire bonder. Grant KZ1W On 6/1/2020

Re: Topband: Ground Conductivity

2020-03-25 Thread Grant Saviers
"If NEC2 is wrong, so is NEC4." - I don't think so since a different ground modeling approach is available in NEC4.2. Running EZNEC Pro4 antennas both in 2 and 4.2 sometimes shows significant differences. My .02. Exactly where is ground? It sure isn't the flat smooth plane in NEC. And

Re: Topband: Ground Conductivity

2020-03-23 Thread Grant Saviers
FYI some data which I found interesting My dry earth at end of summer to very wet winter (WWA) causes my lightning ground system DC (actually about 300Hz AC) resistance to vary about 40% lower, ie 7+ ohms to 5 ohms. There was also significant differences from rod to rod re resistance

Re: Topband: Hi Z amplifiers for 160m

2020-03-14 Thread Grant Saviers
More power to make up for my 10db excess noise = xxx Kw - whoopee! Need to get some 3 phase. Remote Rx, eg 100km makes a lot more sense. Clubs could put up shared facilities. With direct sampling synchronous receivers and down sampling of say the bottom 50Khz of 160, every user could

Re: Topband: Inverted L with elevated radials for topband

2020-03-05 Thread Grant Saviers
comments in line On 3/5/2020 10:02, Gabriel - EA6VQ via Topband wrote: I have some doubts about installing and inverted L with elevated radials for 160m. I have been searching in Google and find some contradictory information, so I would appreciate very much if you can help me with your own

Re: Topband: 300 ohm twin lead for bidirectional Beverage antennas

2020-02-29 Thread Grant Saviers
I agree there is much F connector junk out there. However Amphenol does make a "4 hole" female F chassis jack, an excellent product. digikey usually has stock https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/amphenol-rf/222146/ACX1545-ND/1989993 Unless one has the $250 D chassis punch for D

Re: Topband: Dacron & varmits

2020-02-18 Thread Grant Saviers
aircraftspruce.com (but airplane stuff is $) If it is really dacron then http://synthetictextilesinc.com/supportham.html And available at several ham radio suppliers. Maybe you want nylon based, this ebay seller has high quality "para-cord" also called "550 line" I suspect originally

Re: Topband: .TX Mica Caps

2020-02-07 Thread Grant Saviers
Charge it to 5Kv and apply to appropriate body part. Grant KZ1W On 2/7/2020 19:34, Roy Morgan wrote: I looked at the picture and description. Can anyone guess how that thing "could cause cancer or reproductive harm" ?? Roy Morgan K1LKY Western Mass On Feb 7, 2020, at 9:16 PM, HP wrote:

Re: Topband: 160m vertical saltwater grounding

2020-01-09 Thread Grant Saviers
Rob, I considered this for my MM SSB. It doesn't work. Several published tests prove that. Ok as an AC/DC ground. Grant On 1/9/2020 01:18, Herbert Schoenbohm wrote: A very effective device called *Dynaplate* works very well as a saltwater grounding system for boats or limited areas to

Re: Topband: Problems with inv L on pier over salt water

2020-01-08 Thread Grant Saviers
Important facts about salt water are the attenuation of a wire submerged 10" at 1MHz is -87db and at 4S/m the conductivity is 10,000,000 times less than copper wire. Putting a single radial in a lossy medium doesn't work very well, whether it is dirt or saltwater. Radials elevated in low

Re: Topband: Weatherproof enclosure source?

2020-01-02 Thread Grant Saviers
Likely >$3000 for a real "enclosure" that size, probably custom, painted and 2x for stainless. Plus how to move and ship about >700#. Grainger has big enclosures, but nothing your size. You might find a switchgear enclosure at a electrical recycler. I had a old CNC controls cabinet 4w x 5h

Re: Topband: Temporary antenna suggestion for 160

2019-12-21 Thread Grant Saviers
Mike, I think the problem with elevated radials in 4 squares is the mutual coupling and the necessity that the radial current and impedance be equal. Otherwise the pattern is distorted. Having measured my 8 125' elevated radials there is a significant (>2:1) current imbalance in them due

Re: Topband: 12V through coax

2019-12-08 Thread Grant Saviers
For my relay reversible DHDL's used on 160 & 80m, I'm using 0.1uf 500v DC blocking capacitors, particularly the Kemet X7R MLCC SMD ones. digikey 399-6747-1-nd There are enough parts for reversibility that I designed a small PCB with ExpressPCB so SMD parts made sense. The RFC inductor choice

Re: Topband: Measure DOG to calculate BOG

2019-12-07 Thread Grant Saviers
Check antennasbyn6lf.com. Rudy did a number of measurements of ground properties. Grant KZ1W On 12/7/2019 17:13, Mikek wrote: I once saw a print up of laying out a Dipole on Ground and doing measurements and adjusting length and then using that to figure out a proper length for a BOG. Does

Re: Topband: BOG Beverage on Ground Help

2019-11-30 Thread Grant Saviers
The goal is admirable. I did some modeling of inductor shortened BOGS with EZNEC Pro4 and found it is extremely sensitive to height above ground. A half an inch change in height can reverse the pattern. Thus, I consider it an impractical antenna given the nature of most real ground surfaces,

Re: Topband: Looking for antenna suggestions

2019-10-12 Thread Grant Saviers
A DHDL is somewhat ground independent so might be a choice. Raising the base of one end with 66' separation isn't too tough on the slope. It is possible to phase a couple of them. Then add some relays to make it reversible from the shack.

Re: Topband: spark gap construction ideas for 160m tower

2019-10-07 Thread Grant Saviers
Curious as why non resistor spark plugs aren't on the list of choices. Easy to gap. Pt-Pt electrodes last forever (100k miles). There was a ham mounting two on a Cu plate for ladder line, but that was many years ago. Grant KZ1W On 10/7/2019 2:21 PM, Jim Thomson wrote: Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2019

Re: Topband: Drones for antenna installation?

2019-09-01 Thread Grant Saviers
ared me David G4FTC From: Topband on behalf of Grant Saviers Sent: 01 September 2019 00:13 To: Topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: Drones for antenna installation? I stick to max 80psi which has a good safety factor vs the pipe rating (4" @220psi in my launcher). Very cold weath

Re: Topband: Drones for antenna installation?

2019-08-31 Thread Grant Saviers
I stick to max 80psi which has a good safety factor vs the pipe rating (4" @220psi in my launcher). Very cold weather and knocking it around when brittle or anytime is certainly to be avoided. An alternative is to buy schedule 80, McMaster sells sch 80 PVC in 5 foot lengths. The pressure

Re: Topband: An oddball question about a BOG.

2019-08-24 Thread Grant Saviers
ZL3IX I think by accident had a fence with a break in it. My not working Beverage was 4'up over a continuous welded wire fence. Then some NEC2 modeling of a 600' Beverage 6' above a continuous 3 wire (wires at 2,3, & 4') barb wire fence, showed poor F/B. Mine was worse over the welded 6"x 6"

Re: Topband: An oddball question about a BOG.

2019-08-23 Thread Grant Saviers
Lots of questions, maybe a little bit of useful answers from me. First, I doubt there is any BOG that will cover 8 octaves with a useful pattern. Unobtanium, IMO. Second, your question did cause me to investigate improving the RDF of a 240' BOG which is on my to try list. So using

Re: Topband: Which RX antenna is better?

2019-07-30 Thread Grant Saviers
As a minority report by one, IMO the simplest, smallest, cheapest, good RDF receive antenna is the DHDL. RDF around 9, pretty good for $20 of wire, one BN-73-202, one resistor, some string and two trees (free here) or supports 65' apart. Ground rods for a 200' BOG will cost more, take more

Re: Topband: Transmit High Pass Filters for BCB Interference

2019-07-29 Thread Grant Saviers
Here is what I used when I had the same problem 50kw line of sight 4 miles 1MHz. Expensive, but worked very well. http://herostechnology.co.uk/pages/RF_Filters.html Having the filter between rig and amp worked fine for me. 200w rating for the Heros. My power line had ~1v of RF, so ebay

Re: Topband: DHDL

2019-06-30 Thread Grant Saviers
That statement doesn't agree with my quick modeling (I also wondered why my 40' base had some observed benefit on high bands now and then). Both a 60' for 160 and 40' for 80/40 worked fine. for a 60' baseline, 6' Z bottom wire, 30' Z to top or about 190' of wire: Freq Gain dbi F/B db peak

Re: Topband: Seeking advice for TO5M

2019-06-29 Thread Grant Saviers
You don't mention how high you will be above sea level. Too high and the "L" gain & angle won't improve as much as within 1/2 WL and a few meters above sea level. So the 160L is ok at 80m from the tide line but the 80m ought to be closer if you can manage that. More than a wavelength from

Re: Topband: FCP versus loaded or "T" radialsradials

2019-05-04 Thread Grant Saviers
I recently found Rudy N6LF article from ARRL Antenna Compendium Vol 6 re short 10' elevated top band radials. Resonated with a single loading coil, as short as 50' worked well, only down 0.5db from full size. Grant KZ1W On 5/4/2019 9:14 AM, N4ZR wrote: At the risk of setting off a

Re: Topband: Awesome 160 Meter Vertical

2019-04-09 Thread Grant Saviers
I lived on Mt Hamilton Road for 20 years, but that ended 8 years ago. I'm not aware of any hams further up Mt Hamilton than the Grandview restaurant and Three Springs Ranch development. There are two FM or UHF TV towers on the hill SSW of there. They are in the FCC database. My ranch/QTH

Re: Topband: Bouvet

2019-03-26 Thread Grant Saviers
36 N-miles in 5.5 hrs = 6.5 kts pretty good to hold it that low if as reported 51 mph wind to 100 gusts. Enough speed to preserve steerage but as little as possible to minimize distance lost. Seems that the Captain knows what he is doing. Grant KZ1W On 3/26/2019 16:42 PM,

Re: Topband: Directions to Bouvet

2019-03-24 Thread Grant Saviers
I got as close as the Falklands on a small cruise ship and operated C6A/KZ1W/MM aboard ship. Here is a South pole view of where the rare dx are located around Antarctica. Inside the convergence zone (solid line around the continent) is where the WX is awful 365 x 24. The dashed line is

Re: Topband: Directions to Bouvet

2019-03-23 Thread Grant Saviers
Here is a app that gives distances and initial bearing for the great circle track from lat-lons. Of course that may be meaningless given prop. http://www.gpsvisualizer.com/calculators Grant KZ1W On 3/23/2019 11:07 AM, Ralph Parker wrote: Try  "DX Atlas" from Alex, VE3NEA .

Re: Topband: Updated K9YC common-mode choke PDF now available

2019-02-03 Thread Grant Saviers
My experience with 142 wound on 240-31 cores would agree with Jim's experiment. NO problems after years in service. It is well known that TFE insulation is subject to creep - I've proved that in wire wrap service with cut thru shorts. However, that is with the wire tight against as sharp an

Re: Topband: JA's came in droves today on 160

2019-01-30 Thread Grant Saviers
Likewise worked a bunch of JA's this am from Seattle, most were strong -5 to +3 on my Rx 4sq listening NW. Will try other directions. No Tx directivity here. No JA's on 1908 to start, but after a few 1840 CQ JA the rate was good. Grant KZ1W On 1/30/2019 11:56 AM, daraym...@iowatelecom.net

Re: Topband: Inverted L improvements - Part 3 (now with data)

2019-01-22 Thread Grant Saviers
Al Christman K3LC thoroughly sliced and diced the tradeoffs of number vs length for given total wire investment is his Mar/Apr 2004 NCJ paper. N6LF also has a lot to say. Grant KZ1W On 1/22/2019 16:11 PM, Chortek, Robert L. wrote: “Wes cut his radial length to match the vertical L section

Re: Topband: Inverted L improvement question

2019-01-07 Thread Grant Saviers
Guy, I need some more db's on Tx. For Rx I hear much better than heard into EU from Seattle area. It's a hard path and easy to believe EU QRN/QRM is the main culprit. Your "loss list" is a great list, but I am thinking about a different potential problem with my T with eight 125' long

Re: Topband: Inverted L improvement question - Part 2

2018-12-29 Thread Grant Saviers
Problem #1. The swr indicates about a 140Khz plus < 2:1 bandwidth (2 * 1880-1810) which implies a high radial resistance. Are the elevated radials fully insulated from trees, not contacting foliage, etc? Add three more. Problem #2. Your coiled coax choke may be making things worse. Check

Re: Topband: Inverted L improvement question - Part 2

2018-12-28 Thread Grant Saviers
Modeling I've done shows it a bad idea to have in ground and elevated radials connected together, but that is not clear from what you described. Then with the elevated separate, moving the feedpoint up at least 8', to 12' is better and elevated radials run out at that height. I think it is a

Re: Topband: Might be a good EU DX night

2018-12-27 Thread Grant Saviers
I saw 8+ stations all calling VP8EME MANY times. So he was widely heard and here (Seattle) about -13. I only saw a couple of Q's completed, so you were not alone. I had worked him before and remember it wasn't that difficult, but obviously he was having hearing problems tonight. It is

Re: Topband: launching lines over trees

2018-12-27 Thread Grant Saviers
I have tried most means for "line over branch" - slingshots with spinning reels, bow and arrow, arborist swing toss weights (that is a skill I don't have), fishing pole with sinker, tree climber, boom lifts, and finally the CSV19. Easily launches to 135'. The last is by far the winner. After

Re: Topband: Recommended Relays

2018-12-07 Thread Grant Saviers
My 160m T tuner uses 3x Schrack PCB SPST relays. 900w FT8 and full QRO SSB. No problems in 4 years. 12vdc PCB relay by Schrack (RZ01-1A4-D012) with a plastic arm from the coil armature to the contacts that is rated 5000v coil to contact isolation, 12a at 250vac switching, and has redundant

Re: Topband: tennis ball launcher for antennas

2018-11-28 Thread Grant Saviers
I'll second the success with the CSV19 tennis ball launcher. You won't need the top model for 60' trees but I do recommend the fishing archery spool option for paying out the line - very smooth and snag free. The PE braid is so light that one problem is how far the wind drift will take it.

Re: Topband: Fwd: Re: Drone and pulley

2018-11-27 Thread Grant Saviers
The are a number of drone remote releases available. Given the small payload capacity of cheap drones the weight is critical for everything - line + release + sinker. The polyethylene woven fishing line has amazing strength and low weight. I use it for my tennis ball launcher to top 120'

Re: Topband: Which compromise receiving antenna

2018-11-06 Thread Grant Saviers
A DHDL will fit in a lot less length and work better IMO than either Beverage choice.  You can put relays in small boxes at the feed transformer and termination to flip the directivity with two feedlines. If you have the width then a 4sq receive will beat any other choice in 215 ft.  But, any

Re: Topband: elevated radials

2018-10-22 Thread Grant Saviers
the individual verticals degrades the directive pattern that we are trying to achieve. 73, John W1FV -Original Message- From: Grant Saviers [mailto:gran...@pacbell.net] Sent: Monday, October 22, 2018 11:38 AM To: jkaufm...@alum.mit.edu; Topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: elevated

Re: Topband: VP6D

2018-10-22 Thread Grant Saviers
I know at least CW operator N7QT will operate diversity reception, not sure it was yet in operation. Grant KZ1W On 10/22/2018 10:57 AM, Tree wrote: Sometimes - near your sunrise - angles go high and that diminishes directivity quickly. Congrats on the QSO!! Tree N6TR On Mon, Oct 22, 2018

Re: Topband: elevated radials

2018-10-22 Thread Grant Saviers
I have a 160m T with 8 elevated 125' radials and the currents are worst case 3:1 unequal for various reasons (nearby steel building & towers).  I've modeled this with EZNEC Pro4 by placing the actual radial currents as sources in each radial.  Obviously the sum of those currents must equal the

Re: Topband: Toploaded vertical - SWR

2018-09-19 Thread Grant Saviers
Several suggestions, some already mentioned - Although your swr plot shows you are in the ballpark for resonance, the feedpoint resistance is very low, as mentioned likely 12 to 20 ohms.  A transmission line transformer stepdown will help a lot.  4:1 likely the best choice.  If parts are hard

Re: Topband: Radial wire

2018-09-05 Thread Grant Saviers
Interesting source.  The 5356 alloy would be the best choice for radial wires since the 5xxx series are of a corrosion resistant aluminum alloy.  5052 is the usual alloy for boat hulls in salt water. OTOH, it seems the cost of 14ga THHN, the fact that it will last forever, and that it is

Re: Topband: Air Wound Coil

2018-09-01 Thread Grant Saviers
Me too. Or the inverse as I did, cut my T for the low end of the band. Then three series capacitors with PCB relays to short each individually (none, 1, 2, or 3) yielded nearly full band coverage <1.5:1 swr.  My T is 85' to top and a 50:25 ohm TLT is a close match, then the capacitor stack

Re: Topband: making a bev seem longer

2018-08-07 Thread Grant Saviers
Agree, my DX Eng 4 sq vertical array (high impedance) is almost always the winner on 160 vs an 85' T, a toss up with a 2L beam @157' on 80m, and rarely better than the 3L 40m @ 140'.   So I believe the 4sq RDF numbers are valid.  Another plus: when p-static kills the 80m beam the 4sq is the go

Re: Topband: FT8 Tonight

2018-07-16 Thread Grant Saviers
Interesting. Must be a fun place in the middle of Antarctic winter and keeping a 160m antenna up. OTOH, they can lay wire on the ice for a 660 ft elevated dipole. I had 3 SSB QSO's with them on 20m when I was MM in the Southern Ocean Jan 2017. From the newbies on the radio I think getting

Re: Topband: Question about KH1 to EU QSO possibilities with respect to auroral oval

2018-07-14 Thread Grant Saviers
Agree. At my QTH 47.6 N (Seattle) the oval is almost always in the way to EU so long path on 80 is more reliable winter months if the EU's hang around for the west coast sunrise. So far EU on 160 has been very difficult. Not complaining since I was one of the lucky 120 that worked KH1 on

Re: Topband: Radial plate

2018-07-02 Thread Grant Saviers
I agree that resonating 8 elevated radials would be a aggravating task. I have 8 10' elevated 125' +/- radials for my T loaded vertical. I made no effort to resonate them. OTOH, for one or two radials, resonating them is important. N6LF covered this in his papers on elevated radials.

Re: Topband: Using old 1/2 inch Comscope hardline for my 4-square

2018-06-26 Thread Grant Saviers
Have you tried an SFX-500 connector? These are made for 1/2" bare Al hardline, 50 ohm but the 75 ohm center conductor should be smaller diameter. With a steppIR beam a broadband match is needed which rules out the common coax matching section. Sevick has designs of transmission line

Re: Topband: Radials in the desert

2018-06-20 Thread Grant Saviers
Small ditch diggers are usually available at Home Depot here and certainly at rental yards. For aggregated materials try and find one with carbide teeth, which last 10x longer than hardened steel. Also, cable companies use what is essentially a carbide toothed circular saw blade trencher,

Re: Topband: cutting coax stubs for 80 meter 4-square

2018-06-11 Thread Grant Saviers
On a couple of DXpeditions we damaged the front end of a couple of analyzers by transmitting on a nearby antenna on a different band so this is another hazard to be aware of. Grant KZ1W On 6/11/2018 10:14 AM, terry burge wrote: Jim, There is room that the 0.01-0.02uF cap could go in. Due to

Re: Topband: Laying ground radials

2018-06-06 Thread Grant Saviers
I pulled >1500' of 1" pvc water line in glued together 200' lengths 8" beneath an adobe cattle pasture using a Kellems swivel grip attached to a single point ripper on a 70hp tractor.My ripper was 1" plate on a 3 point hitch so start and stop was easy. A hole was dug at each 200' joint to

Re: Topband: Adding chicken wire or mesh on top of radial field

2018-06-05 Thread Grant Saviers
JC, Have you read the papers I cited? Looked at numerous reports from DXpeditions and several antenna experts re the performance of verticals NEAR salt water? google "vertical antenna near salt water" for a longer list of references re a well proven fact. Grant KZ1W On 6/5/2018 4:34

Re: Topband: Adding chicken wire or mesh on top of radial field

2018-06-04 Thread Grant Saviers
It is well known by DXpeditioners and an EZNEC analysis demonstrates that verticals within 1 wavelength of the sea have greatly enhanced gain at low elevation angles in the seaward direction. There is no need for the antenna to be over water for that benefit. In the opposite direction the

Re: Topband: Adding chicken wire or mesh on top of radial field

2018-06-04 Thread Grant Saviers
For simulating a solid conducting plate in NEC with wires, Roy Lewallen (EZNEC author) advises 0.1 wavelength on a side squares of wires. That would be 16m for topband. Since adding the mesh is a search for tenths more db's, be conservative and use half his recommendation, 8m or 25'. If a

Re: Topband: FT8 Observations

2018-04-25 Thread Grant Saviers
Dave, Remember that the reported S/N is relative to the receive station noise + QRM level. Since many TB stations don't have your antennas and have high noise, they can't decode you or report a poor S/N. I get +9 and -18 reports from YB stations a hundred KM apart. It's not spotlight

Re: Topband: Straws in the Wind ....A 160m Dx'ing Sea Change is Upon us!

2018-03-31 Thread Grant Saviers
Yep, automatic TTY networks go back a lot more than 50 years. Certainly with the Model 19 in the 1940s and probably before that. The ASR-33 and its "stunt box" are a true marvel of low cost mechanical engineering. Send WRU, asking "who are you?" And the automatic answer back - "HERE IS" a

Re: Topband: 160M Balun

2018-03-30 Thread Grant Saviers
I measured the Comtek bead balun on 160m and found there is low choking resistance. I use the K9YC design with good results, whether it will make any difference in your antenna system is something you will need to try. With more than 5x the choking resistance with the K9YC 7T on 5 #31core

Re: Topband: Fwd: Re: Belize-VK/ZL possibilities

2018-02-12 Thread Grant Saviers
One issue is probably the orientation of the Belize beach vs path to VK/ZL. A vertical on the beach within .7 wavelengths of the tide line has pronounced gain seaward. That gain is at the expense of the land side pattern. For an antenna on a pier the pattern doesn't get symmetrical until a

Re: Topband: Beverage transformer and testing

2018-02-06 Thread Grant Saviers
I also use wire wrap wire. The Kynar insulation is designed to not cut thru against a sharp corner wire wrap post, no need to insulate ferrite. I use 26 or 30 gauge. Multi colors are fun and available in small spools on ebay in both gauges. No messing with Xacto scraping off the polyimide

Re: Topband: How to determine impedance

2018-01-29 Thread Grant Saviers
What I used for data transmission line Z finding was a pulse gen, scope and variable resistor (non inductive). A fast risetime pulse reflects very clearly on the scope at the source. When the terminating resistor equals line Z the reflection disappears, usually a shelf up or down on the

Re: Topband: Mixed elevated and ground located radials?

2018-01-29 Thread Grant Saviers
Radials need to be elevated and insulated from ground/earth or on the ground and grounded. I tried a modeling exercise to see if a ground screen under elevated radials would improve efficiency but it wasn't very helpful. Even over salt water, it is better to insulate elevated radials or

  1   2   3   >