Re: Topband: Question - optimum number of radials

2014-02-14 Thread Richard Fry
The r-f loss at the operating frequency in a set of buried radials varies with the conductivity and permittivity of the earth in which they are buried. The NEC4.2 study below shows that for poor earth conditions (within about 1/2WL from the base of the monopole), the number and length of

Re: Topband: Question - optimum number of radials

2014-02-14 Thread Charlie Cunningham
That's a lot of good information, Richard! Thanks for sharing! 73, Charlie, K4OTV -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Richard Fry Sent: Friday, February 14, 2014 7:00 AM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: Question - optimum

Re: Topband: Question - optimum number of radials

2014-02-14 Thread Bill Cromwell
On 02/14/2014 09:15 AM, Charlie Cunningham wrote: That's a lot of good information, Richard! Thanks for sharing! 73, Charlie, K4OTV The whole topic of radials as it applies to me on my small lot is put in as many as you can. The same probably applies to others on small lots. On top band I

Re: Topband: Question - optimum number of radials

2014-02-14 Thread Carl
While Tom touched on the subject yesterday the subject of an individuals ground conductivity has to be stressed, continuously it seems. The FCC maps arent perfect and hams usually dont have the options of perfect siting for their verticals as do many of the BC stations. Home developers often

Re: Topband: Question - optimum number of radials

2014-02-14 Thread Charlie Cunningham
: Friday, February 14, 2014 10:02 AM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: Question - optimum number of radials On 02/14/2014 09:15 AM, Charlie Cunningham wrote: That's a lot of good information, Richard! Thanks for sharing! 73, Charlie, K4OTV The whole topic of radials as it applies

Re: Topband: Question - optimum number of radials

2014-02-14 Thread Charlie Cunningham
...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Carl Sent: Friday, February 14, 2014 10:46 AM To: Tom W8JI Cc: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: Question - optimum number of radials While Tom touched on the subject yesterday the subject of an individuals ground conductivity has to be stressed, continuously

Re: Topband: Question - optimum number of radials

2014-02-13 Thread Mike Waters
w0btu.com/Optimum_number_of_ground_radials_vs_radial_length.html Check the links on that page to N6LF, Rudy Severns' pages. His work has been called the gold standard of radial science. 73, Mike www.w0btu.com On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 5:12 PM, DALE LONG dale.l...@prodigy.net wrote: I

Re: Topband: Question - optimum number of radials

2014-02-13 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV
N6LF has done quite a bit of actual testing of various in ground and elevated radial systems. See: http://www.antennasbyn6lf.com/ K3LC has done extensive modeling of both in ground and elevated radial systems: http://www2.gcc.edu/dept/elee/Faculty/Christman.htm However, if the majority of

Re: Topband: Question - optimum number of radials

2014-02-13 Thread Tom W8JI
I understand that 120 radials is the golden standard. At what point is there no significant improvement? 120 radials never was a gold standard. The FCC said if a AM BC station uses something like 110 radials, I forget the exact number, they can avoid doing a radial system proof of

Re: Topband: Question - optimum number of radials

2014-02-13 Thread Brad Rehm
Jerry Sevick, W2FMI, has an interesting comment about the 120 number in his book, The Short Vertical Antenna and Ground Radial. At the end of the first chapter he notes: ...it should be mentioned that the world standard for the number of radials to be used with verticals in the AM broadcast band

Re: Topband: Question - optimum number of radials

2014-02-13 Thread Tom W8JI
Jerry Sevick, W2FMI, has an interesting comment about the 120 number in his book, The Short Vertical Antenna and Ground Radial. At the end of the first chapter he notes: ...it should be mentioned that the world standard for the number of radials to be used with verticals in the AM broadcast

Re: Topband: Question - optimum number of radials

2014-02-13 Thread Dan Maguire
For anyone interested in modeling a vertical with a variable number of radials you might refer back to this post: http://lists.contesting.com/archives//html/Topband/2013-04/msg00017.html Near the bottom you'll find a link to download a .weq format model for use with AutoEZ. AutoEZ requires