Re: Topband: cutting coax stubs for 80 meter 4-square

2018-06-12 Thread Wes Stewart
Maybe my "Zoom" model is different from yours but I opened up my AA-55 Zoom and found the connector to be rather securely mounted.  So much so that I reconsidered my idea of replacing the SO239 with a type N.  Not that it isn't doable, just that it was more trouble than I wanted to bother with

Re: Topband: cutting coax stubs for 80 meter 4-square

2018-06-11 Thread Mike Smith VE9AA
Terry, I wasn't going to say anything, but now that I hear this I have to tell you all that my (wonderful!) AA-230Pro came this way to me from the factory a few yrs ago. I spent big Canadian bux on it and was pretty disappointed when most things didn't work on it. I cracked the case and

Re: Topband: cutting coax stubs for 80 meter 4-square

2018-06-11 Thread Wes Stewart
Rick is correct.  There is room in my AA-55 Zoom for a blocking cap.  However, I only connect it to DC grounded antennas.  My 160-meter inverted-L has a 20Kohm, 10W wirewound resistor connecting the vertical to ground on the antenna side of the coax connector as a static bleed.  Without it, I

Re: Topband: cutting coax stubs for 80 meter 4-square

2018-06-11 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
On 6/11/2018 9:50 AM, Jim Thomson wrote: ## Is there room inside those rig experts units to install a .01 uf disc ceramic cap ?? A 50-100 volt cap would be smaller diameter than a 1 kv cap. There is your DC On my 160 meter vertical I have been able to pull 1/2 inch long arcs

Re: Topband: cutting coax stubs for 80 meter 4-square

2018-06-11 Thread Grant Saviers
Thomson wrote: Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2018 07:29:39 -0700 From: "Richard (Rick) Karlquist" To: terry burge , topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: cutting coax stubs for 80 meter 4-square On 6/10/2018 8:01 PM, terry burge wrote: All's well that ends well I'm happy to report.

Re: Topband: cutting coax stubs for 80 meter 4-square

2018-06-11 Thread terry burge
could be a problem. Terry KI7M > On June 11, 2018 at 9:50 AM Jim Thomson wrote: > > > Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2018 07:29:39 -0700 > From: "Richard (Rick) Karlquist" > To: terry burge , topband@contesting.com > Subject: Re: Topband: cutting coax stubs for 80 meter 4-s

Re: Topband: cutting coax stubs for 80 meter 4-square

2018-06-11 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
On 6/10/2018 8:01 PM, terry burge wrote: All's well that ends well I'm happy to report. K2AV, Guy suggested I check the SO-239 on the Rig Experts AA-170 and I found an open solder joint between the back of the connector and the circuit board. Even with my close in glasses and a magnifying

Re: Topband: cutting coax stubs for 80 meter 4-square

2018-06-10 Thread terry burge
Richard, You are so right about that static issue. I even seem to remember the Rig Experts manual says to short the antenna leads together to remove any static build up before connecting the analyzer. I think that was why I wasn't too impressed with my MFJ-259b. Probably my own fail when I

Re: Topband: cutting coax stubs for 80 meter 4-square

2018-06-10 Thread terry burge
All's well that ends well I'm happy to report. K2AV, Guy suggested I check the SO-239 on the Rig Experts AA-170 and I found an open solder joint between the back of the connector and the circuit board. Even with my close in glasses and a magnifying glass it was hard to be certain. So a little

Re: Topband: cutting coax stubs for 80 meter 4-square

2018-06-10 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
On 6/10/2018 10:27 AM, Jim Thomson wrote: ## Seems to me MFJ supplied a HP filter when using the MFJ-259B, to kill anything < 1.8 mhz. Jim VE7RF IIRC, what MFJ supplied was a tunable NOTCH filter, which might work OK in situations where there is only one station that is strong enough

Re: Topband: cutting coax stubs for 80 meter 4-square

2018-06-10 Thread terry burge
AM Jim Thomson wrote: > > > Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2018 22:28:11 +0800 > From: Jeff Blaine > To: topband@contesting.com > Subject: Re: Topband: cutting coax stubs for 80 meter 4-square > > it's going to be problems.? In fact I discovered the hard way that even > up

Re: Topband: cutting coax stubs for 80 meter 4-square

2018-06-10 Thread terry burge
Hi Jeff, Same story here and that is one reason why I am so disappointed my Rig Experts AA-170 failed me. It's really a nice instrument to use in so many ways. Now I thought the explanation of doing stubs was not nearly as good as using the MFJ-259b. The MFJ had just been sitting out in my

Re: Topband: cutting coax stubs for 80 meter 4-square

2018-06-10 Thread Jeff Blaine
The MFJ259 is a fine box but when you get to 80m with anything near a BC it's going to be problems.  In fact I discovered the hard way that even up on 20m the box can read funky if your antenna is big enough or high enough.  I have a Rig Expert now as well and really love that thing - plus

Re: Topband: cutting coax stubs for 80 meter 4-square

2018-06-10 Thread k8gg
Hi All, I was discussing this thread with a microwave engineer on 75 meters this morning and he reminded me that I had AM RF in my RX antennas at my previous QTH. So much that I used Hi-Pass filters on my beverages and pennants. Terry, Do you have an AM radio station near by that could be

Re: Topband: cutting coax stubs for 80 meter 4-square

2018-06-09 Thread terry burge
Hi guys and gals, Well, to make a long story short my Rig Experts AA-170 has quite working. Looks normal but a 56 ohm resistor at the end of the 75 ohm coax reads infinite. On the MFJ-259b it reads 56 ohms. Check SWR and the MFJ reads 7.499.2 Mhz 1.1:1 SWR R=56/57 ohms X=0. Coax is 55' 4 3/8"

Re: Topband: cutting coax stubs for 80 meter 4-square

2018-06-09 Thread David Olean
I used a return loss bridge and measured a TEE fitting with a good 50 ohm load on one port the length of cable on the other side. The antenna analyzer will read a perfect 50 ohm match when the cable is 1/2 wavelength long. If the cable is an open quarter wave, your analyzer will show high VSWR

Re: Topband: cutting coax stubs for 80 meter 4-square

2018-06-09 Thread terry burge
Good point Wes. I will see if I can find a decent value of resistor. My Rig Experts AA-170 was purchased because I did not trust the readings my MFJ-259b was giving me while working on my hytower. Pretty penny for these antenna analyzers. But I will bet if it won't do the stub frequency checks

Re: Topband: cutting coax stubs for 80 meter 4-square

2018-06-09 Thread Wes Stewart
Since he said the coax was 75-ohm, a 75-ohm termination would be better. On 6/9/2018 5:07 PM, Richard (Rick) Karlquist wrote: As a sanity check, terminate the coax with a 50 ohm resistor and verify that you have good coax.  Flat line at 1:1 SWR, etc. Rick N6RK On 6/9/2018 4:57 PM, terry

Re: Topband: cutting coax stubs for 80 meter 4-square

2018-06-09 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
As a sanity check, terminate the coax with a 50 ohm resistor and verify that you have good coax. Flat line at 1:1 SWR, etc. Rick N6RK On 6/9/2018 4:57 PM, terry burge wrote: I don't know what is wrong here but I keep getting in this situation where my typing starts running back over my

Re: Topband: cutting coax stubs for 80 meter 4-square

2018-06-09 Thread terry burge
I don't know what is wrong here but I keep getting in this situation where my typing starts running back over my writing. I will try again to reply. Joel, I have tried all that the manual says without success. All I see is the horizontal solid and dashed lines of R and X. No indication of a

Re: Topband: cutting coax stubs for 80 meter 4-square

2018-06-09 Thread Joel Harrison
Hi Terry, I replaced the 1/4 lines on my 80 meter 4 square this past fall and used my AA-170 to set the length with no problem. Just select "all" for the mode and set the freq you're aiming for and then trim the line until X equals zero with the far end open. Should work fine. I always calculate

Re: Topband: cutting coax stubs for 80 meter 4-square

2018-06-09 Thread Ed Hughes
Ok Terry, well 1/2 wave at 7234kc will = 1/4 wave at 3617kc, so trim until u get near 7500kc and cut all lines that length and u should be ok. Back in the 1980s when I built my 4 square, I used a noise bridge to build my lines. Ed KG4W On 6/9/2018 5:19 PM, terry burge wrote: Hi Ed,

Re: Topband: cutting coax stubs for 80 meter 4-square

2018-06-09 Thread terry burge
Hi Ed, Unfortunately I don't get any indication per the Rig Experts manual with an open. The R/X just does not get any indication from 1982Khz all the way to 10,500+ KHz. On my MFJ-259B (old one) with a short I get at 7.234 Mhz (or about) R=1 and X=0. Suspect the R indicates the short of

Re: Topband: cutting coax stubs for 80 meter 4-square

2018-06-09 Thread Ed Hughes
Hi Terry, see page 16 of this site https://www.rigexpert.com/files/manuals/aa170/aa-170-manual.pdf when looking for a 1/4 wave, leave the far end of the coax under test open. when looking for a 1/2 wave, short the far end of the coax under test. Your 57'7" pc of  would be 1/4 wave at 3750 if