Re: Topband: Strange resistance between Beverage ground rods

2016-11-16 Thread Mike Waters
I don't doubt that, but rock salt (NaCl) is NOT the best choice. It does work at first. But it corrodes the rods. Eventually, the rod is eaten away by the salt and becomes worthless. 73, Mike www.w0btu.com >> Whenever the signal dept. had a problem with the grounds for the signal system on t

Re: Topband: Strange resistance between Beverage ground rods

2016-11-16 Thread Mike Waters
The following questions were sent to me in a private email, and I thought it would be best to post the answers to this reflector so others can benefit and correct me. > Mike, > > Magnesium sulfate - Very interesting. I wonder how it compares with copper sulfate? To make a long story short, Epsom

Re: Topband: Strange resistance between Beverage ground rods

2016-11-16 Thread Mike Waters
Good answer, Greg. DC is certainly not the best way to measure an RF ground. I wonder what the difference would be if we used 1.8 MHz instead of 100 Hz? I thoroughly soak the earth around the rods here with Epsom salt (magnesium sulfate). It *really* decreases the ground resistance! The differenc

Re: Topband: Strange resistance between Beverage ground rods

2016-11-15 Thread donovanf
; , "Topband" Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 9:28:08 PM Subject: Re: Topband: Strange resistance between Beverage ground rods Thanks to all that have given tips on this. I was using a Fluke 77 in the low resistance automatic range and as Lee K7TJR pointed out even a small induced v

Re: Topband: Strange resistance between Beverage ground rods

2016-11-15 Thread Herbert Schoenbohm
Thanks to all that have given tips on this. I was using a Fluke 77 in the low resistance automatic range and as Lee K7TJR pointed out even a small induced voltage was enough to drive the resistance reading up to 20K Ohms. I made additional measurements with my Sperry DM-4100 and an analog VO

Re: Topband: Strange resistance between Beverage ground rods

2016-11-15 Thread K1FZ-Bruce
  True Yuri.   Yes, much of it- low in frequency. This is why we wind our isolated antenna transformers to pass 160 meters and above, with very low primary to secondary coupling capacity to minimize passing of these frequencies.     73 Bruce-k1fz  On Tue, 15 Nov 2016 13:47:40 -0500 (EST), Yu

Re: Topband: Strange resistance between Beverage ground rods

2016-11-15 Thread Yuri Blanarovich
Don't forget that in the ground there are "travelling" Eddy currents, being generated by all kinds od "services". The worst are in the areas where trolley services, electric trains and other high power services use ground as the other conductor or just being there. They can get so bad that they

Re: Topband: Strange resistance between Beverage ground rods

2016-11-15 Thread Jon Zaimes
As I recall mine are typically in the hundreds of ohms or low thousands, never as high as 20k, even on a 950 ft wire. I do see large variations of these across my 12 acres, even significantly different readings on each wire in a staggered phased pair. We have two different soil types, which ma

Topband: Strange resistance between Beverage ground rods

2016-11-15 Thread Lee STRAHAN
Hello Herb and fellow Top Banders, When I had Beverage antennas here I was never able to read the ground resistance here as well. The reason it did not work here is there was actually a small DC voltage difference between grounds apparently developed by galvanic means or currents in the earth

Re: Topband: Strange resistance between Beverage ground rods

2016-11-15 Thread Greg - ZL3IX
Hi Herb, I came across this problem when I first started using Beverages in 2008. I have come to the conclusion that the DC resistance measurement is corrupted by electrochemical effects between the grounds, ie potential differences. I then changed to an AC measurement. I made a simple 100-or

Topband: Strange resistance between Beverage ground rods

2016-11-15 Thread Herbert Schoenbohm
I have reflection transformers at the end of every two wire Beverages which I try to test by measuring the wires on the feed end. I remove the transformer from the two wire WD1-A and check the resistance between the two wires which tells me that through the reflection transformer I have continu