Re: Topband: Counterpoise very interresting

2011-11-24 Thread Bill Cromwell
Hi Guy, I am chasing down the modeling software to try and get the best results I can on my small lot and sandy soil. I am not really competing against other hams but against my own past performance and experiences. What other hams are doing gives some idea of what might be possible. Meanwhile I

Re: Topband: Counterpoise very interresting

2011-11-24 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
Models are very good in relative comparisons, with some very important caveats. 1) Hold everything possible constant between the two models, EXCEPT the singular issue(s) you are trying to trend. Don't try to vary "dirt." If you don't already have burn scars and embarrassing gaffes about dirt, yo

Re: Topband: Counterpoise very interresting

2011-11-24 Thread Rik van Riel
On 11/23/2011 05:49 PM, Gene Smar wrote: > Gents: > > A man much wiser than I once told me, "The difference between theory > and practice in theory is less than the difference between theory and > practice in practice." I suspect that while models may be somewhat inaccurate sometimes (especia

Re: Topband: Counterpoise very interresting

2011-11-23 Thread Gerry Treas, K8GT
://www.tnqp.org/ Elecraft K2 #4455 Elecraft K3/100 #366 Elecraft K3/100 # From: W2PM To: Julius Fazekas Cc: Mike(W5UC) ; Guy Olinger K2AV ; "topband@contesting.com" Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 9:07 AM Subject: Re: Topband: Counterpoise very in

Re: Topband: Counterpoise very interresting

2011-11-23 Thread Charles Moizeau
> Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 15:20:00 -0500 > From: olin...@bellsouth.net > To: w...@suddenlink.net > CC: topband@contesting.com > Subject: Re: Topband: Counterpoise very interresting > > Extract: >I found LB to be a little enigmatic...I'm fairly sure he did not h

Re: Topband: Counterpoise very interresting

2011-11-23 Thread Gene Smar
azekas" ; "W2PM" ; "Mike(W5UC)" ; "Guy Olinger K2AV" ; Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 5:01 PM Subject: Re: Topband: Counterpoise very interresting IMHO word of caution: LB Cebik was a great modeler, has done lot of work modeling various antennas, configurations

Re: Topband: Counterpoise very interresting

2011-11-23 Thread k3bu
quot;, the "ground thing" is a bit muddied up. Yuri, K3BU.us www.MVmanor.com - Original Message - From: Jeff Blaine Date: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 12:05 pm Subject: Re: Topband: Counterpoise very interresting To: Julius Fazekas , W2PM Cc: "Mike(W5UC)" , Guy Olinger

Re: Topband: Counterpoise very interresting

2011-11-23 Thread Jeff Blaine
-Original Message- From: Julius Fazekas Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 10:45 AM To: W2PM Cc: Mike(W5UC) ; Guy Olinger K2AV ; topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: Counterpoise very interresting L. B. Cebik, W4RNL ~ 1939 - 2008 ~ SK as of April 2008 Julius Fazekas N2WN

Re: Topband: Counterpoise very interresting

2011-11-23 Thread Julius Fazekas
# From: W2PM To: Julius Fazekas Cc: Mike(W5UC) ; Guy Olinger K2AV ; "topband@contesting.com" Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 9:07 AM Subject: Re: Topband: Counterpoise very interresting Who is LB?? Sent from my iPad On Nov 23, 2011, at 8:33, Julius Fazekas wrote: >

Re: Topband: Counterpoise very interresting

2011-11-23 Thread W2PM
> > ________ > From: Guy Olinger K2AV > To: Mike(W5UC) > Cc: topband@contesting.com > Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 3:20 PM > Subject: Re: Topband: Counterpoise very interresting > > I found LB to be a little enigmatic. But so what? > &

Re: Topband: Counterpoise very interresting

2011-11-23 Thread Julius Fazekas
om: Guy Olinger K2AV To: Mike(W5UC) Cc: topband@contesting.com Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 3:20 PM Subject: Re: Topband: Counterpoise very interresting I found LB to be a little enigmatic. But so what? His forte' was modelling.  He had all the professional licenses and did commercial

Re: Topband: Counterpoise very interresting

2011-11-22 Thread John Tait
Thank you Gary. I concur completely. He was extremely helpful and patient with the likes of myself, whose "skill sets" were pretty basic. John EI7BA On 22/11/2011 19:44, Gary and Kathleen Pearse wrote: > I would second Paul's observation, and would add b

Re: Topband: Counterpoise very interresting

2011-11-22 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
I found LB to be a little enigmatic. But so what? His forte' was modelling. He had all the professional licenses and did commercial modeling for some number of customers, including a lot of unheralded primary work for the well-regarded Force 12 antennas. He did not do a lot of on-field verificati

Re: Topband: Counterpoise very interresting

2011-11-22 Thread Joe Giacobello, K2XX
th him on many occasions to clarify > the design of various antennas and several link-coupled tuners. > > Paul, W9AC > > - Original Message - > From: "Mike(W5UC)" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 2:08 PM > Subject: Re: Topband: Counterpoise very interrest

Re: Topband: Counterpoise very interresting

2011-11-22 Thread Gary and Kathleen Pearse
I would second Paul's observation, and would add by asking if anyone else here has offered similar broad subject information to the amateur community in a similarly accessible format? His efforts may not be perfect (I don't know one way or another), but knowing more and making it available are

Re: Topband: Counterpoise very interresting

2011-11-22 Thread Paul Christensen
uners. Paul, W9AC - Original Message - From: "Mike(W5UC)" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 2:08 PM Subject: Re: Topband: Counterpoise very interresting > I got into it with L. B. several years ago. He published something((I > don't remember what) that was quit

Re: Topband: Counterpoise very interresting

2011-11-22 Thread Mike(W5UC)
On 11/22/2011 9:29 AM, DAVID CUTHBERT wrote: > L.B. was a professor of Philosophy and not a degreed engineer. > > Dave WX7G > On Nov 22, 2011 8:08 AM, "ZR" wrote: > I got into it with L. B. several years ago. He published something((I don't remember what) that was quite ambiguous, and I dropped

Re: Topband: Counterpoise very interresting

2011-11-22 Thread DAVID CUTHBERT
> Carl > KM1H > > > > - Original Message - > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 8:45 AM > Subject: Re: Topband: Counterpoise very interresting > > > > Cebik's paper on the counterpoise is interesting and > > perhaps useful,

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2011-11-22 Thread ZR
giving him. The after the meeting discussions on my side were rather emphatic about the above. Carl KM1H - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 8:45 AM Subject: Re: Topband: Counterpoise very interresting > Cebik's paper on the counterpoise is int

Re: Topband: Counterpoise very interresting

2011-11-22 Thread k3ky
Cebik's paper on the counterpoise is interesting and perhaps useful, so far as it goes. I don't remember seeing any mention of voltage-fed antennas, however. If they are in that article, I missed them. Cebik mentions Woodrow Smith in connection with a 1948 antenna book. I don't know if this is th

Re: Topband: Counterpoise very interresting

2011-11-21 Thread ZR
- Original Message - From: To: Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 9:28 AM Subject: Topband: Counterpoise very interresting > http://www.antennex.com/shack/Dec06/cps.html > Apparently Cebik failed to do enough research thru 1920's literature.why doesnt this surpri

Topband: Counterpoise very interresting

2011-11-21 Thread lrpmbt
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