Re: Topband: RX antenna transformer winding (pure resistance transformation issues)

2013-08-20 Thread Jim Brown
On 8/20/2013 1:00 PM, Tom W8JI wrote: By squeezing or spreading turns to change mutual coupling between turns, a T157-2 core can have almost 2:1 impedance shift! That tells us it has considerable flux leakage. So-called "self-shielding" and it's inverse, leakage flux, also depend on permeab

Re: Topband: RX antenna transformer winding (pure resistance transformation issues)

2013-08-20 Thread Mike Waters
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 3:00 PM, Tom W8JI wrote: > The ARRL in some publications, for example, teaches us toroids are > "self-shielding". In fact, many toroidal cores have significant flux > leakage. > That is for sure. I was following a thread in an SWL or AM BCB group a few months ago, where

Re: Topband: RX antenna transformer winding (pure resistance transformation issues)

2013-08-20 Thread Tom W8JI
I had additional offline conversations with Rick (N6RK), and Carl (KM1H), and below is my official response to my original post about RX antenna transformer windings and complex impedance measured on the primary side of the transformer depending on how they are wound. There are several things th

Re: Topband: RX antenna transformer winding (pure resistance transformation issues)

2013-08-20 Thread Jim Brown
On 8/20/2013 11:31 AM, Don Kirk wrote: But I saw the complex impedance phenomena even with smaller diameter cores (using different grade of material), and here is my actual FT 50-43 data as an example. One missing piece in understanding what you're seeing is the fact that mu (permeability) is

Re: Topband: RX antenna transformer winding (pure resistance transformation issues)

2013-08-20 Thread Mike Waters
If I can add my $0.02 worth here... I have never found a better ferrite core for RX antenna transformers than the Amidon BN-73-202 (Fair-Rite 2873000202). I also used to use side-by-side stacked ferrite beads (eight FB-73-202 in two tight stacks of 4) to make "binocular cores", but that never work

Re: Topband: RX antenna transformer winding (pure resistance transformation issues)

2013-08-20 Thread Don Kirk
I had additional offline conversations with Rick (N6RK), and Carl (KM1H), and below is my official response to my original post about RX antenna transformer windings and complex impedance measured on the primary side of the transformer depending on how they are wound. Rick N6RK said > The way out

Re: Topband: RX antenna transformer winding (pure resistance transformation issues)

2013-08-16 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
On 8/16/2013 8:06 AM, Don Kirk wrote: discussions included material type, and style (toroid vs. binocular), but I found no mention about problems regarding the use of conventional toroid cores in which a pure resistive load on the secondary appears to be a complex impedance (resistance and ind

Topband: RX antenna transformer winding (pure resistance transformation issues)

2013-08-16 Thread Don Kirk
Digging back through the archives I found lots of discussion about the "best" transformer to use with flags, pennants and beverages. The discussions included material type, and style (toroid vs. binocular), but I found no mention about problems regarding the use of conventional toroid cores in whi