Hi Topbanders,
First I must apologise for the delay in putting in my thanks to you all -
perhaps I could argue that I was waiting for the dust to settle or to a time
when it was safe to put my head up again. -J
For me it was quite educational hearing from those that were using these
modes
The discussion seems to have moved away from the initial question which
was, as I recall, whether digital modes had the means to expand DX
opportunities on 160. Yes, there are questions about bandplanning, whether
the digimodes are correctly set up, etc. But these can and will be
overcome.
But I
Hello Don,
so far i understund your post, its all about DXCC?
I like DX-ing but i am dont care much about DXCC!
And why evenone needs to work everything without any effort?!
Topband is a chalange and i my eyes its need to stay chalange!
I dont have anything against digi mods but if yes let them
Tom: you said, A bit of bent wire can easily work 200+ countries on 160 on CW.
Probably more so than on digital modes at the present time. I doubt that's
gonna happen if you're using output power in the 10-40 watt range which I
believe is what Terry was emphasizing. I found, at a JT65 web
Just to underline Tom's comments, see the following paper
http://www.sm2cew.com/Digital%20communications%20using%20minimal%20transfer.pdf
73 Jan OM2XW
From: w...@w8ji.com
To: topband@contesting.com
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 08:33:28 -0400
Subject: Re: Topband: The use of digital modes on 160
Differentiating operating awards? If you are talking DXCC it has been
differentiated for years. SSB award, CW award, DIGITAL/RTTY award and
MIXED. I know this because I have them all hanging on my wall. Doing it
again on 160 is going to be a hoot. If the 160 award isn't
That is the case
On 09/19/2012 08:33 AM, Tom W8JI wrote:
Maybe we will need two versions of 160m DXCC -
one of which specifically states SSB and CW only or somesuch!
That's a good suggestion. It really should be one award for the case where a
human operator copies the signal, a man and his radio, and another
On Wed, 19 Sep 2012 08:33:28 -0400
Tom W8JI w...@w8ji.com wrote:
That's a good suggestion. It really should be one award
for the case where a human operator copies the signal, a
man and his radio, and another certificate where a
machine actually copies the signal, a man reading the
text
Tom, easily is a very parochial east coast point of view. Maybe from
GA. Probably not in one lifetime from west of the Mississippi.
Having noted that, let me go on to say the discussion has morphed from
its origin of where to put digi modes to whether digi modes should be
on [pick a band].
I side with you, Mike, on the interloping attitude of SSB! I'm a CW
afficianado as others are ---
CC: w...@w8ji.com; topband@contesting.com
From: armst...@aol.com
Subject: Re: Topband: The use of digital modes on 160 metres
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 06:37:26 -0700
To: rodenkirch_...@msn.com
All,
I feel the issue is that the band plans for the three regions are not aligned,
especially region 2.
Since CW is still a popular mode of communications for this band I propose
three regions should allocate 1810-1840 for CW.
SSB is not a popular on 160 as it is on 80 or 40. I don't hear
Finally some useful suggestions. The digital ops were only following accepted
practice when they selected the area around 1838, top end of the cw segment,
for a place to run. If all three IARU areas could be brought in to alignment
1840-1870
would be a good choice for digital.
Something to
Welcome to the digital age... What with hundreds of so-called friends on
venues like facebook.com, this was surely the next step, merely reflects a
growing (deplorable) trend...
Eddy, sure not, we won't be stepping aside de line doing nothing. We, all of
us worked very hard on the last 50
On 2012-09-15 4:29 AM, George, VK5IT wrote:
I do, however, suspect that because going digital is such an obvious answer
that there must already be some activity among devotees so I would be
interested in hearing what frequencies and what modes are used on 160 meters
and any comments.
73
George,
On 9/15/2012 9:09 PM, wa3...@comcast.net wrote:
we dont use amplifiers on digital modes
Not entirely true. Because I can hear much better than most guys running
JT65, I typically run 200-400W on TopBand to get over the monstrous
noise levels that have become all too common in cities and
IARU R1 HF band plan. Just for information.
http://www.iaru-r1.org/index.php?option=com_remositoryItemid=func=fileinfoid=404
--
73 Vic US5WE/K1WE (UW5W in VHF contests) KN29AU
UARL VHF committee
Chairman, UARL Lvov Branch LKK
Moderator, UARL VHF portal http://www.vhfdx.at.ua
DXCC card checker
On 9/16/2012 12:25 AM, Tom W8JI wrote:
I'm not endorsing or objecting to the concept of digimodes on 160
meters, but whatever happened to the ARRL bandplan?
Ever listen on Top Band during a contest? On a CW weekend, CW goes from
1800 to at least 1910 kHz, and on a SSB weekend SSB extends
Ever listen on Top Band during a contest? On a CW weekend, CW goes from
1800 to at least 1910 kHz, and on a SSB weekend SSB extends well below
1825 kHz.
A temporary operation during a few special events during the year has
nothing at all to do with establishing a poorly planned regular
Exactly. And it applies to digi operators too, many of whom are not
listening for CW or anything else in my very own personal experience.
Their software is in control - who needs to look at a radio's S meter
or, heaven forbid, actually listen to it? seems to be a common operating
situation.
Ok ... I call foul k6xt
Most all digital mode ops are watching the waterfall its hard not to miss
CW.
Most fair digital ops can recognize a fair number if digital mode by site
Cw being the most easy SSB stands out like a big, fat, thumb.
Mike KC7NOA
Date: Sun, 16 Sep
Mike, that is QUITE true indeed. Actually, you must watch the waterfall due to
the fact that most ears would be unable, by hearing alone, to detect a
frequency shift that would cause the signal to become utterly unreadable. The
waterfall is probably the most watched thing in the digi
Hi Topbanders,
I would like to bring up a topic which I suspect must be tantamount to
heresy among the diehard CW operators and that is the question of the use of
some of the digital modes on the Gentleman's Band.
It may be that CW can still hold its own by the speed and simplicity and use
Hi George,
My own experience with those modes that can dig out signals from below
the noise is they are too slow to be any use for much beyond
propagation studies. I am doing a very little bit of that on the 600
meter band. The typical story is set the radio and the computer and let
it run all
On 9/15/2012 4:29 AM, George, VK5IT wrote:
I keep a reasonably close eye on the threads posted in the Top Band Archives
and this is a topic I do not remember seeing being discussed.
It has. Search for JT65.
so I would be interested in hearing what frequencies and what modes are used on
160
George,
While there may be many that disagree with me I love digital modes on 160. I
primarily use JT65 and it has been one of the reasons that I have worked Japan
and New Zealand on TB. I use it primarily when my hearing disabillity kicks in
and my ears start ringing and I work CW the
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