Re: Topband: Vertical Array Over Uneven Ground

2012-11-16 Thread ZR
- Original Message - From: N1BUG p...@n1bug.com To: ZR z...@jeremy.mv.com Cc: topband@contesting.com Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2012 6:58 PM Subject: Re: Topband: Vertical Array Over Uneven Ground I suspect most Americans are more comfortable with our own measuring system plus

Re: Topband: Vertical Array Over Uneven Ground

2012-11-16 Thread Tom W8JI
I suspect most (or at least many) Americans are resistant to change and unwilling to give anything different than what they are used to a fair try before dismissing it. When we were kids, we made fun of the occasional bitter old cranky Hams who spent their lives being grouchy and cranky

Re: Topband: Vertical Array Over Uneven Ground i ttitudes

2012-11-16 Thread Bill Cromwell
Actually, I felt sorry the miserable old **'s. Now I'm in the same position they were in I don't have time to be *that* miserable. I have all the same excuses to be a jerk but I can't see how that would make any of the aches and pains go away nor how it would restore any of the assets wall

Re: Topband: Vertical Array Over Uneven Ground i ttitudes

2012-11-16 Thread Gary Smith
snip After I took the trouble to learn about inches, fractions of inches, feet, yards, miles, acres, sections, tons, pounds and ounces that *other* funny system was introduced! Oy vay! Talk about a funny system...what about those fluid ounces and the weight kind? Were they smoking something

Re: Topband: Vertical Array Over Uneven Ground

2012-11-15 Thread Pete Smith N4ZR
at reversebeacon.blogspot.com. For spots, please go to your favorite ARC V6 or VE7CC DX cluster node. On 11/14/2012 3:48 PM, ZR wrote: I cant find the button to convert that metric stuff to good old USA measurements when posted from this country(-: Subject: Re: Topband: Vertical Array Over Uneven Ground I never

Re: Topband: Vertical Array Over Uneven Ground

2012-11-15 Thread Lennart M
GM Pete et al: That metric stuff is widely used around the globe. Cu on 459 ft. 73 Len SM7BIC On 11/14/2012 3:48 PM, ZR wrote: I cant find the button to convert that metric stuff to good old USA measurements when posted from this country(-: ___

Re: Topband: Vertical Array Over Uneven Ground

2012-11-15 Thread shristov
PoĊĦiljalac: Lennart M lennart.michaels...@telia.com That metric stuff is widely used around the globe. It's fun to learn that Dr. Maxwell, the inventor of electromagnetic waves, had used metric units exclusively 200 years ago. So, why we cannot do the same today? 73, Sinisa YT1NT, VE3EA

Re: Topband: Vertical Array Over Uneven Ground

2012-11-15 Thread ZR
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2012 6:14 AM Subject: Re: Topband: Vertical Array Over Uneven Ground CU on the 525 foot band, Carl? Seriously, I suspect that the reason why many of us work in meters when modeling is simply that some of the most useful software products default to that. 73, Pete

Re: Topband: Vertical Array Over Uneven Ground

2012-11-15 Thread N1BUG
I suspect most Americans are more comfortable with our own measuring system plus our ham bands where antenna formulas are still published in feet and inches. I suspect most (or at least many) Americans are resistant to change and unwilling to give anything different than what they are used to

Re: Topband: Vertical Array Over Uneven Ground

2012-11-15 Thread James Rodenkirch
Subject: Re: Topband: Vertical Array Over Uneven Ground I suspect most Americans are more comfortable with our own measuring system plus our ham bands where antenna formulas are still published in feet and inches. I suspect most (or at least many) Americans are resistant to change

Re: Topband: Vertical Array Over Uneven Ground

2012-11-15 Thread George Dubovsky
...@jeremy.mv.com CC: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: Vertical Array Over Uneven Ground I suspect most Americans are more comfortable with our own measuring system plus our ham bands where antenna formulas are still published in feet and inches. I suspect most

Re: Topband: Vertical Array Over Uneven Ground

2012-11-15 Thread Ken Claerbout
Since I started this thread, hopefully this will end it. I was talking about a difference on the order of 6' - 9', which I think was understood. But there are always those few that like to stir the pot, no matter how petty. Thanks to those who provided useful feedback. I'll follow up

Re: Topband: Vertical Array Over Uneven Ground

2012-11-15 Thread Raoul Coetzee
Here in South Africa we always had the imperial system till somewhere in the middle sixties and before that we changed from pounds to decimal Rand and cents. It was met with some resistance but soon everybody got used to it. As I have a British lathe and milling machine in my garage /workshop,

Re: Topband: Vertical Array Over Uneven Ground

2012-11-14 Thread ZR
I cant find the button to convert that metric stuff to good old USA measurements when posted from this country(-: Subject: Re: Topband: Vertical Array Over Uneven Ground I never found a way to model an an antenna over anything but flat, level ground. Not in EZNEC+ 5.0, anyway. 73, Mike

Topband: Vertical Array Over Uneven Ground

2012-11-13 Thread Ken Claerbout
Has anyone modeled or have experience with a transmit vertical array, say a 4-square, over uneven ground? By uneven I mean a variance of up to 2 - 3 meters over the footprint of the array elements. I have plenty of room at this QTH but the terrain is fairly uneven. I've done some modeling but

Re: Topband: Vertical Array Over Uneven Ground

2012-11-13 Thread Mike Waters
I never found a way to model an an antenna over anything but flat, level ground. Not in EZNEC+ 5.0, anyway. 73, Mike www.w0btu.com On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 7:41 PM, Ken Claerbout k...@verizon.net wrote: Has anyone modeled or have experience with a transmit vertical array, say a 4-square, over

Topband: Vertical Array Over Uneven Ground

2012-11-13 Thread Lee K7TJR
It seems to me and I may be wrong but dont you get the tilted ground answer just by tilting your vertical elements with respect to ground in Eznec? From what I see with doing that the take off angle mostly follows the ground with at least 1/4 wave or less vertical antennas. Lee K7TJR OR