Topband: FW: Front End Saver for Top Band

2014-05-30 Thread rodger bryce

 
From: gm3...@hotmail.com
To: g...@yahoogroups.co.uk
Subject: Front End Saver for Top Band
Date: Thu, 29 May 2014 18:45:14 +




Has anyone built the front end saver by KD9SV or the OK1RR version which uses 
12 volt reed relays.
 
I am attempting to build the 12v version on veroboard and have the following 
query, when the unit is supplied with 12v relays 1  2 are energised, when the 
PTT is operated relays 2  3 are energised basically relay 2 remains energised 
at all times, is this the correct sequence of operation?
 
thanks Rodger/GM3JOB 

  
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Re: Topband: FW: Front End Saver for Top Band

2014-05-30 Thread Petr Ourednik
Rodger,

I built several of them for my station as same as for our local contest
club station and all works like champ. (Martin's version)

State nr. 1
QSK T/R is floating
Re1 - closed
Re2 - open
Re3 - open
In this case ANT port is connected to RX input port and AMP port is
floating. 

State T/R is grounded
Re1 - open
Re2 - closed
Re3 - closed
In this case ANT port is floating, RX input port is grounded and AMP
port is grounded too. 

Hope it helps. 

73 - Petr, ok1rp

On Fri, May 30, 2014, at 09:50 AM, rodger bryce wrote:
 
  
 From: gm3...@hotmail.com
 To: g...@yahoogroups.co.uk
 Subject: Front End Saver for Top Band
 Date: Thu, 29 May 2014 18:45:14 +
 
 
 
 
 Has anyone built the front end saver by KD9SV or the OK1RR version which
 uses 12 volt reed relays.
  
 I am attempting to build the 12v version on veroboard and have the
 following query, when the unit is supplied with 12v relays 1  2 are
 energised, when the PTT is operated relays 2  3 are energised basically
 relay 2 remains energised at all times, is this the correct sequence of
 operation?
  
 thanks Rodger/GM3JOB 
   
   
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Re: Topband: Fwd: cable clamps on old Phillystran

2014-05-30 Thread HAROLD SMITH JR
Hi Grant and Carl,

About 20 years ago, I replaced my steel guy wires on my 80 ft of Rohn 45G with 
6700lb Phillystran. At that time the end kits were 4 galvanized cable clamps 
and a plastic end cap. 
Their instructions said to torque the cable clamps to 25 ft/lbs. I also used 
RTV on the end caps. 
I have had no problem and the installation has been through winds over 80 mph. 
The Phillystrand 
did improve my shunt feed performance on 160. I did have to re-tune my Omega 
Match.
I also use 1200 lb Phillystran for the overhead guy on my Telrex 20M456

73  Price W0RI near St. Louis


On Thursday, May 29, 2014 10:44 PM, Grant Saviers gran...@pacbell.net wrote:
 


Ice is an interesting question.  I'll speculate that it doesn't matter 
much since the sheath is pretty flexible and the Kevlar has a small 
sensitivity to moisture.  The Kevlar demonstrated very high crush 
strength, I think about the same as its tensile strength, so to me that 
is not a concern.  However, if the sheath is degraded to expose Kevlar 
to UV then it is a whole different ballgame.  I also think it takes a 
bit of faith that the factory recommended plastic endcaps on current 
production Philly keep all moisture out.

Grant KZ1W

On 5/29/2014 7:45 AM, Carl wrote:
 What about ice forming inside the sheath from those breaks?

 Carl
 KM1H


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 Date: Wed, May 28, 2014 at 9:56 PM
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 Per prior topband posts and discussions about this topic, I've 
 concluded a
 round of testing of cable clamps on parallel strand (old style)
 Phillystran.  Here is the Conclusions and Summary I wrote:

 A hydraulic jack H frame press was modified to provide tension in 
 excess of
 20,000 lbs.  Tension was applied to a 4 foot long 5/8” od parallel 
 strand
 (old) Phillystran cable terminated with four 5/8” cable clamps and ¾”
 thimbles at both ends.  Clamp nuts were torqued to specific values 
 and the
 holding capacity of the cable assembly was measured over periods of 
 weeks.

 There is significant creep of the plastic sheath from the cable clamp
 forces between the clamp and the Kevlar core.  In the first test 
 sequence,
 the residual torque of the clamp nuts reduced by 65% in 21 days. 
 Subsequent
 tightening of the clamp nuts showed smaller sequential reductions of
 residual torques.  Five cycles of tightening were demonstrated as 
 necessary
 over a period of weeks to achieve sufficient residual torque of the 
 clamp
 nuts.

 A conclusion at 66 days since initial assembly was that four 5/8” 
 wire rope
 clamps, torqued in 5 cycles over weeks to a 50 ft-lb value, will 
 support a
 long term tension without significant slippage at the desired holding
 strength of 6600 lbs, about 25% of the cable rated strength. After 
 removal
 of the cable sheath, there was no visible damage to the Kevlar core 
 at the
 clamps or at the thimble.   It is speculated that a slightly higher 
 torque
 value than 50 ft-lbs would improve the slip strength.  Adding a 5th 
 clamp
 would further improve the slip strength.

 The core around the thimble showed evidence of small differential 
 slippage
 of fibers.  The test sequence was such that the fibers could slip 
 against
 each other as tension and clamp nut torques were increased 
 sequentially. Thus,
 the test process was not the same as tightening the clamps and then
 installing the guy.  However, the Phillystran tested is to be used at 
 25%
 of its rated strength, so the risk seems minimal in this case. Note that
 wire rope is expected to hold at least 80% of rated strength when 
 properly
 terminated with cable clamps, and is not sequentially pre-tensioned when
 put into service.  Whatever unequal forces exist in the individual wire
 strands around the thimble are equalized in some manner.

 From this testing, it seems unlikely that parallel strand Phillystran 
 can
 be reliably terminated with cable clamps at more than 1/3 of rated 
 breaking
 strength.  The simplified conclusion is that the cable will slip 
 unless the
 clamp has extruded out most of the plastic sheath in the clamping area.

 The planned tower has maximum pretension in the guys of 600 lbs.  
 Thus, the
 average long term tension is substantially below the measured slip value
 produced in these tests, so it seems unlikely that the preload 
 tension will
 cause slip over a period of years.

 Since the plastic sheath was breached by at least one clamp, water will
 intrude into the core.  Moisture does slightly reduce the strength of 
 the
 Kevlar fiber.  The clamp fully covers the split area so degradation from
 sunlight seems unlikely, although UV degradation is a major concern with
 

Re: Topband: Fwd: cable clamps on old Phillystran

2014-05-30 Thread Tom W8JI
The only damage on my Yagi antennas from the ice storm we had (about an inch 
of radial ice) was to Philliystran struts. In every case the jacket held in 
place under the clamps but the strand inside moved. Now I have to rent a 
crane with man basket to repair the struts.


The end attachment with three clamps is obviously not a good system. 


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Re: Topband: Fwd: cable clamps on old Phillystran

2014-05-30 Thread Bill Wichers
Just a thought, but has anyone checked to see if there is a dead-end / preform 
type of grip that will work on the older style phillystran cable? That might 
make a better connection than the clamps and thimble setup.

  -Bill

 -Original Message-
 From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of
 Tom W8JI
 Sent: Friday, May 30, 2014 3:40 PM
 To: HAROLD SMITH JR; Grant Saviers; 160
 Subject: Re: Topband: Fwd: cable clamps on old Phillystran
 
 The only damage on my Yagi antennas from the ice storm we had (about an
 inch of radial ice) was to Philliystran struts. In every case the jacket held 
 in
 place under the clamps but the strand inside moved. Now I have to rent a
 crane with man basket to repair the struts.
 
 The end attachment with three clamps is obviously not a good system.
 
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