Re: Topband: Compromise vertical loading questions

2014-01-29 Thread Charlie Cunningham
Hi, Bjorn Well I would expect that moving the loading coil higher would be more beneficial than improving the top loading spokes, as it would move the high current portion of the antenna higher aboveground (the radial) and there would, hopefully, be less loss In the loading coil by having it in a

Re: Topband: Compromise vertical loading questions

2014-01-29 Thread Tom W8JI
How much I can improve by moving the coil up. What improvement should I expect if center loading at about 7 meter? How about moving the coil all the way up to the top loading spokes? Is it worth the effort? (the pole won’t support much up there). The coil does not do much at all to current

Re: Topband: Chassis Bonding

2014-01-29 Thread Tom W8JI
2.) #10, ignoring connection imperfections, has about .01 ohms per 10 ft. That's up to 0.2volts with 20 amps of power supply loop current. Not a problem unless you have bonded DC- to the power supply chassis. Bingo. Virtually EVERY piece of gear has a bonded negative to chassis. The whole

Re: Topband: Compromise vertical loading questions

2014-01-29 Thread Charlie Cunningham
Hi, Bjorn Well, I can't argue with JC. With my first ever inverted L for 160, I had similar experiences as did his friend, AA7JV with; submerged radials. In my case, the inverted L was on the dam of a lake behind my house. Not salt water, of course, but the lake had been treated with some amount

Re: Topband: FT5ZM

2014-01-29 Thread Milt -- N5IA
Good morning all. It appears I was duped two days ago. The apparently real FT5ZM just showed up 48.5 hours later, but too late for me. The sun was already 10 minutes in the sky when the very weak signal was heard at this QTH. The NA west coast is calling right now but I have not heard any

Re: Topband: Chassis Bonding

2014-01-29 Thread Bill Wichers
That's not entirely correct... Triplen harmonics are created by non-linear loads, but the voltage developed on the neutral as a result of them is a result of voltage drop between the source of the problem and the return which will be one or more utility transformers. The farther you are from

Re: Topband: Compromise vertical loading questions

2014-01-29 Thread Tom W8JI
One additional point about this that I might not have expressed in enough detail. When a top hat with significant capacitance compared to distributed capaciatnce along the radiator is involved, current tends to become very linear throughout the radiator no matter where any loading inductance

Re: Topband: Chassis Bonding

2014-01-29 Thread Tom W8JI
And our home and ham station grounds, when properly bonded to the service entrance, WILL share current with the utility system. I see about 7 amps at home that comes from the utility (but I have a ground ring, lots of rods, probably 500+ feet of copper in the ground and a well casing). It's

Re: Topband: Chassis Bonding

2014-01-29 Thread Jim Brown
On 1/29/2014 5:15 AM, Tom W8JI wrote: 2.) #10, ignoring connection imperfections, has about .01 ohms per 10 ft. That's up to 0.2volts with 20 amps of power supply loop current. Not a problem unless you have bonded DC- to the power supply chassis. Bingo. Virtually EVERY piece of gear has a

Re: Topband: Chassis Bonding

2014-01-29 Thread Shoppa, Tim
K9YC writes: There is no problem with V- bonded at load equipment (the rig). The problem is bonding at the power supply, and that is EASY to fix -- indeed, many (most?) power supplies are built either with V- NOT bonded, or with nothing chassis-referenced and a removable jumper at the

Re: Topband: Chassis Bonding

2014-01-29 Thread Jim Brown
On 1/29/2014 9:12 AM, Shoppa, Tim wrote: Insulated by paint seems like a very poor idea. It's like someone thought my boss told me to do this, I don't think I it should be done, and if it isn't worth doing then it isn't worth doing well:-) Oh -- I'm certainly not recommending it, nor am I

Re: Topband: Chassis Bonding

2014-01-29 Thread Gerry Treas K8GT
I bought my Astron SS-30M in 2000 and shortly after found the V- tied to chassis, which I removed. 73, Gerry, K8GT On 1/29/2014 12:12 PM, Shoppa, Tim wrote: snip Lifting the ground connection to V- is a very common modification to Astrons and some sources (e.g.

Re: Topband: Chassis Bonding

2014-01-29 Thread Tom W8JI
Jim, Asking customers to modify equipment, which might also include adding ground studs to computers, is just silly when the entire issue is solved with audio line isolation in the interface line. There is no problem with V- bonded at load equipment (the rig). The problem is bonding at

Re: Topband: Chassis Bonding

2014-01-29 Thread Bill Wichers
Triplen harmonics, in most facilities, are caused primarily by lighting ballasts and electronic (rectifier-input) power supplies. The newer switching power supplies have a power factor controller in the first stage that acts something like a current regulator preceding the actual switching

Re: Topband: Compromise vertical loading questions

2014-01-29 Thread Yuri Blanarovich
   On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 07:54 AM, Tom W8JI wrote:     How much I can improve by moving the coil up. What improvement should I expect if center loading at about 7 meter? How about moving the coil all the way up to the top loading spokes? Is it worth the effort? (the pole won’t support much

Re: Topband: Compromise vertical loading questions

2014-01-29 Thread Peter Voelpel
The discussion is about the placement of an additional loading coil and its influence while the radiator is already loaded by a capacitance hat. So who spreads misinformation? -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Yuri Blanarovich Here we

Re: Topband: Chassis Bonding

2014-01-29 Thread Jim Brown
Thanks for the update from someone still working in that part of industry. Yes, PF correction was mandated in EU something like 10 years ago. It's good news if this ripples back to our continent, even if our electrical codes haven't addressed this issue. . That said, as long as

Re: Topband: Submerging variable caps in oil as substitute for vacuum variables

2014-01-29 Thread Shoppa, Tim
The author points out (correctly) the tempco issues with oil dielectric. Still I am intrigued by the thought of a remote tuning capacitor via hydraulic tubing :-). The capacitor plates could be as simple as two concentric cylinder conductors with appropriate spacers. I betcha crud collecting on

Re: Topband: Compromise vertical loading questions

2014-01-29 Thread Merv Schweigert
Yes no doubt, it seems if a persons personal agenda precedes their ability to read with any comprehension on this reflector so many times, here we go again. The discussion is about the placement of an additional loading coil and its influence while the radiator is already loaded by a

Topband: Bad tower shunt capacitor

2014-01-29 Thread James C. Hall, MD
I have an omega matched 120 foot tower and I apparently have a bad vacuum variable capacitor. Upon applying more than about 300 watts, the SWR goes off scale. Tuning it out and trying again, yields the same thing. The question is which capacitor is the culprit. These are surplus Soviet caps

Topband: Apology for QRM

2014-01-29 Thread George Dubovsky
All, I apologize for briefly QRMing the FT5 this evening. Mistakes were made; buttons were pushed. I will try to pay attention in the future. 73, geo - n4ua _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband

Re: Topband: Bad tower shunt capacitor

2014-01-29 Thread Tom W8JI
I have an omega matched 120 foot tower and I apparently have a bad vacuum variable capacitor. Upon applying more than about 300 watts, the SWR goes off scale. Tuning it out and trying again, yields the same thing. The question is which capacitor is the culprit. These are surplus Soviet caps

Topband: Short receiving verticals question

2014-01-29 Thread Jon Zaimes AA1K
Recent success here with 23-foot-high W8JI-style short receiving verticals in a 4-element broadside/endfire array using variable phasing has led me to make plans for other sets to cover additional directions. To maximize distance from existing and potential noise sources, and to allow for

Re: Topband: Bad tower shunt capacitor

2014-01-29 Thread James C. Hall, MD
Thanks Steve: Not bad - I may try that ! :) The question in my mind was if there was an arc outside the caps, why would the SWR change ? Anyway, I may be missing something. I haven't been inside the cap box at the tower for many months so I'll get into it - may be something easy. 73, Jamie

Re: Topband: Short receiving verticals question

2014-01-29 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
On 1/29/2014 6:25 PM, Jon Zaimes AA1K wrote: I've read of the 36-foot-high base-loaded elements ON4UN described in his book, and understand these would have a slightly narrower bandwidth than an element with top-hat wires. But what about an element loaded with a coil at the center or at the

Re: Topband: Submerging variable caps in oil as substitute for vacuum variables

2014-01-29 Thread HAROLD SMITH JR
Subject:Re: Topband: Submerging variable caps in oil as substitute for vacuum variables The author points out (correctly) the tempco issues with oil dielectric. Still I am intrigued by the thought of a remote tuning capacitor via hydraulic tubing :-). The capacitor plates could be as simple

Re: Topband: Bad tower shunt capacitor

2014-01-29 Thread HAROLD SMITH JR
Jamie,  The VSWR would change because the arc would change the impedance at the Arc point. From perhaps several hundred or thousand ohms to  near Zero during the Arc.. 73, Price W0RI Thanks Steve: Not bad - I may try that ! :) The question in my mind was if there was an arc outside the

Re: Topband: Compromise vertical loading questions

2014-01-29 Thread HAROLD SMITH JR
Amen Merv, You hit the nail on the head ! ! 73 Price W0RI Yes no doubt, it seems if a persons personal agenda precedes their ability to read with any comprehension on this reflector so many times, here we go again. The discussion is about the placement of an additional loading coil and its