Re: Topband: Modeling Ground and losses

2015-02-26 Thread Markku Oksanen
All As far as I can understand, wires / radials just under the surface of the ground are simply conductors embedded in a lossy dielectric (with an interface to air near it), similar to carbon filled plastic or other such material. If the loss and the dielectric constant is low, the

Re: Topband: Brave New World

2015-02-26 Thread Herbert Schoenbohm
At NP2P (N2TTA opp. my remote contest setup) I use Remote Rig and both the Icom 7100 and the Kenwood TS-2000 is an SO2R configuration. Both radios have a complete remote control heads at the location of the operator that is as good as being behind that actual radio. An on screen via Team

Re: Topband: Brave New World

2015-02-26 Thread Merv Schweigert
Shoot I was wondering when there was going to be a CW operation from P5 since Rodman goes over all the time, thinking top band guys may have an edge :o) Merv K9FD/KH6 I forgot to add that with a name like Rodman all you need are some tattoos and a few gold rings through your lips and you

Re: Topband: Brave New World

2015-02-26 Thread mstangelo
Let's put this into context. This is not the end of the world. Amateur Radio is a hobby and like any hobby has various facets. Different people have various ideas of what the hobby should be. Some hams are or imagine themselves to be experimenters, engineers, metalworkers, awards collectors,

Re: Topband: Brave New World

2015-02-26 Thread W0MU Mike Fatchett
CW is much more popular since the FCC removed the requirement for code.Think about that for a minute. People have are trying and using CW much more now that it is not forced on them. Ham Radio did not die that day. The bands are not filled with anymore LIDS than they were before that

Re: Topband: Brave New World

2015-02-26 Thread W0MU Mike Fatchett
On 2/26/2015 9:37 AM, mstang...@comcast.net wrote: Let's put this into context. This is not the end of the world. It is the creation of a whole new world. One that has opened many doors for people to operate and enjoy ham radio and even extend their ability to radio in their older years.

Re: Topband: Brave New World

2015-02-26 Thread Rob Atkinson
I operate my home station every day using a computer in my office from 70 miles away over the internet. It's no different than sitting in front of the equipment. No offense but I suggest you get some more exciting radio equipment to run. 73 Rob K5UJ _ Topband Reflector

Re: Topband: Brave New World

2015-02-26 Thread Doug Renwick
Herb, I understand your frustration with your call sign screw ups. I get the same thing from time to time using a VA prefix. I worked North Korea on both 10 and 15m, but the 15m contact was no where to be found, nothing even close. That and other screw ups has taught me to make sure I am in the

Re: Topband: Brave New World

2015-02-26 Thread kolson
Sometimes it's more in how things are presented. The thing that struck me was how the ARRL looked at it was some kind of triumphant feat when it struck me as, ultimately, kind of sad. It was late in 2006 when it c ame out that the FCC would remove  the CW requirement  for HF operation in

Topband: Brave new world?

2015-02-26 Thread Ron Spencer
I don't understand the issue. If the people operating the remote station give their location as the location of that station then what's the problem? Propagation doesn't care where the operator is sitting. Neither does the ability of the operator to work a station. That said, of course if the

Re: Topband: Brave New World

2015-02-26 Thread Jim
Oops! Never mind, I get it now. That will teach me to reply to email moments after rolling out of bed... Jim, W1YY/7 -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Herbert Schoenbohm Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 5:24 AM To:

Re: Topband: *****SPAM***** Re: Brave New World

2015-02-26 Thread Doug Renwick
Don't feel sorry for me. For while it lasted I have had loads of fun, learned a lot, met many new friends, and travelled to places some can only dream of; all because of amateur radio. Yes I agree that the ARRL has 'sold it's soul to the devil'. Money. Doug I wasn't born in Saskatchewan, but I

Re: Topband: Brave New World

2015-02-26 Thread Doug Renwick
This is a good example of the entitlement crowd attitude. They believe that all the DXCC entities need to be available NOW, no waiting. Reaching the top of the honor roll was long term plan that kept us interested in DXing for a lifetime. Now some want it to be just like a mail order degree ...

Re: Topband: Brave New World

2015-02-26 Thread Herbert Schoenbohm
Doug, How-long is now? There is nothing instant about working North Korea for DXCC. It would take much time and meticulous planning. And some places I worked have been for decades. Actually waiting for and working BS7H and then got that dreaded message I was not in the log...I probably will

Re: Topband: *****SPAM***** Re: Brave New World

2015-02-26 Thread fausto minardi
Hi Doug It is not us who have to change hobby, but them! Long ago the definition of RADIO was Cordless Phone, it seems to me that in the internet there is too much wire!!! It would be as if Marconi to turn on the lights in Sydney had used the phone to access a Melbourne radio to connect with a

Re: Topband: Brave New World

2015-02-26 Thread Jim
Huh? What's that about? Jim W1YY/7 -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Herbert Schoenbohm Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 5:24 AM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: Brave New World I forgot to add that with a name like

Re: Topband: *****SPAM***** Re: Brave New World

2015-02-26 Thread JC
Eddy, Ham Radio is dead, extinct. It has been replaced with Internet Radio. I'm sorry for you!. I'm alive, we are alive. Ham Radio is more exciting and alive than ever. 700.000 licensed in US only. Don't look in the mirror, just do what works for you. Ham Radio is an option and a hobby based

Re: Topband: Brave New World

2015-02-26 Thread Herbert Schoenbohm
Dennis Rodman the former NBA basket ballplayer has free entry in and out of PDRK as a special guest of Kim Yong somanyone who is a rodmanshold get special tratment. Herb, KV4FZ On 2/26/2015 9:28 AM, Jim wrote: Huh? What's that about? Jim W1YY/7 -Original Message- From: Topband

Re: Topband: Brave New World

2015-02-26 Thread Herbert Schoenbohm
I forgot to add that with a name like Rodman all you need are some tattoos and a few gold rings through your lips and you can probably have a clear path to setting this stuff up yourself.☺ Herb, KV4FZ On 2/26/2015 9:11 AM, Herbert Schoenbohm wrote: At NP2P (N2TTA opp. my remote contest setup)

Re: Topband: *****SPAM***** Re: Brave New World

2015-02-26 Thread Herbert Schoenbohm
JC, In 1965 I remember taking the ferry from Rio over to Niteroi while hauling a large trunk with some Drake Twins, some wire and a tuner, along with the help of Rolf Rasp over to a location (PY1NFC?) in Niteroi I was able to get on the air on 160 to and work W1BB and other TB faithfuls

Re: Topband: Brave New World

2015-02-26 Thread Jim Brown
On Thu,2/26/2015 7:29 AM, kol...@rcn.com wrote: Sometimes it's more in how things are presented. The thing that struck me was how the ARRL looked at it was some kind of triumphant feat when it struck me as, ultimately, kind of sad. Have you ever visited a multi-transmitter contesting

Re: Topband: Brave New World

2015-02-26 Thread Tom W8JI
I operate my home station every day using a computer in my office from 70 miles away over the internet. It's no different than sitting in front of the equipment. No offense but I suggest you get some more exciting radio equipment to run. ...something that buzzes, arcs, sparks, clicks,

Re: Topband: Brave New World

2015-02-26 Thread Rob Atkinson
CW is much more popular since the FCC removed the requirement for the code I'm calling BS on that one. Tune across the CW bands at night. Very little activity compared to 30 or 40 years ago. Of course, I define CW activity as being real CW operating, i.e. ragchewing, handling

Re: Topband: Brave New World

2015-02-26 Thread Glenn Anderson
None taken...my K3 ' s are enough. div Original message /divdivFrom: Rob Atkinson ranchoro...@gmail.com /divdivDate:02/26/2015 10:57 (GMT-06:00) /divdivTo: topband@contesting.com /divdivSubject: Re: Topband: Brave New World /divdiv /div I operate my home station every day

Re: Topband: Brave New World

2015-02-26 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
Well, I *don't* understand why people are upset about this. The K4VV crowd operated a station in Virginia that had all it's antennas and all the RX and all the TX on one local property. They reported their logs as VA, USA. That hardly seems a stretch of rules. The rules don't say anything about

Re: Topband: Brave New World

2015-02-26 Thread Jim Brown
On Thu,2/26/2015 10:41 AM, Charlie wrote: The serious DX chasers, especially Topband, are faced with a dilemma now. Anyone who wants to pay the $$ can be at the head of the line for a rare one by remoting to a world class station, rather than using his own equipment. Many will elect to do

Re: Topband: Brave New World

2015-02-26 Thread Eddy Swynar
On 2015-02-26, at 2:14 PM, W0MU Mike Fatchett wrote: On 2/26/2015 11:41 AM, Charlie wrote: Say there are 30 folks lined up on a chat board waiting their turn to call EP6T from WX1XXX when the band opens. The order of calling has been predecided, perhaps in sequence of log in.

Re: Topband: Brave New World

2015-02-26 Thread kolson
Actually Jim old boy, I have. I have been a Frankford RC member for 43 years and have operated from many M/M and M/S stations both in the US and as DX. I  have a good idea what goes into it and have helped troubleshoot problems, fix rigs and amps and helped with antennas (from the ground as I

Re: Topband: Brave New World

2015-02-26 Thread Charlie
Mike, the difference is that on the DX Net, everyone was not using the same transmitter and receiver. I am not trying to protect my superior location from competition. It is on a rock cliff directly south of Cleveland and 30 miles from KY. It is, on balance, pretty good and I get my share

Re: Topband: Brave New World

2015-02-26 Thread Jim Brown
On Thu,2/26/2015 11:59 AM, kol...@rcn.com wrote: What's sad in my view, is that in my M/M and M/S experiences, one of the greatest parts was getting together with the ops I was friends with that, due to time, distance or both, I didn't get to see much. The contest was fun, but the comradery

Re: Topband: Brave New World

2015-02-26 Thread W0MU Mike Fatchett
Except it is not an ABUSE of the rules. People feel that it is an abuse but it is fully sanctioned by the ARRL. If people want to pay to use a station in NY that is their choice. How does that choice impact any of us? My DXCC and awards are MINE your participation on the bands has nothing

Re: Topband: TI9/3Z9DX, etc.

2015-02-26 Thread Mike Waters
Jeff, Thanks, but what did I do? Did you mean to say Mike, W0MU? 73, Mike www.w0btu.com On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 10:58 AM, Jeff Wilson jjw5...@yahoo.ca wrote: Wow! I guess I also have to thank Mike W0BTU for my TI9/3Z9DX contact. [snip] To: topband@contesting.com, W0MU Mike Fatchett

Re: Topband: Brave New World

2015-02-26 Thread W0MU Mike Fatchett
Yes! Mike W0MU On 2/26/2015 10:49 AM, Jim Brown wrote: On Thu,2/26/2015 7:29 AM, kol...@rcn.com wrote: Sometimes it's more in how things are presented. The thing that struck me was how the ARRL looked at it was some kind of triumphant feat when it struck me as, ultimately, kind of sad.

Topband: Interested in experiences with the TenTec 599, AKA Eagle on 160? CW.

2015-02-26 Thread Katz Ajamas
Aloha! I am new to this whole 160 thing and slowly(recovering from rotator cuff repair) getting things together. I've been reading the mail for a couple of months now. I would like to compare notes and will appreciate personal email from anyone who has used a TenTec 599, AKA Eagle, on 160.

Topband: Rules vs. Ethics (was Brave New World)

2015-02-26 Thread Larry Burke
Except it is not an ABUSE of the rules. People feel that it is an abuse but it is fully sanctioned by the ARRL. Jim stated as much in the note to which you are replying. What is in play here is the difference between laws/rules and ethics. Just because something is legal does not

Re: Topband: Modeling Ground and losses

2015-02-26 Thread jeremy maris
On 26 Feb 2015, at 06:31, Richard Fry wrote: Quote from page 757 of the BLE paper: For those who'd like to read the whole paper, you can access it here http://bit.ly/1LLdtCI Jeremy _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband

Re: Topband: Brave New World

2015-02-26 Thread D Rodman MD
I receive the list archived and this makes replying to individual posts difficult. It seems to me W0BTU summed it up succinctly. There are time delays and depending on the setup, it it varies from no factor to disabling. I don't know what others have for remote stations. I can tell you, I

Re: Topband: Rules vs. Ethics (was Brave New World)

2015-02-26 Thread Larry Burke
I am still waiting for a real case scenario where remote radio has harmed or damaged someone, somehow I guess that depends on how you define harmed. If you are expecting manslaughter, I doubt you'll find an example of that. I cited an example of how this is not victimless in my original note.

Re: Topband: BOGs, Snakes and snowpack

2015-02-26 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
The short answer is that a foot of snow on top of it will affect it terribly. The long answer is gawd-awful. Don't ask any more if you don't want to know. 73, Guy On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 6:02 PM, K2RS k2rsonl...@comcast.net wrote: When spring finally arrives, I'd like to try a BOG and/or a

Re: Topband: Rules vs. Ethics (was Brave New World)

2015-02-26 Thread W0MU Mike Fatchett
I am still waiting for a real case scenario where remote radio has harmed or damaged someone, somehow You are confusing ethical and moral. There is nothing unethical either. It is condoned by the ARRL. It is not how it used to be done. So what? Everything evolves and changes.

Topband: ham radio- NOT

2015-02-26 Thread Larry via Topband
it's sad, very sad about the changes to ham radio. i don't even believe it can be called that any longer. perhaps internet radio or remote radio can be best described as the present hobby. gone are the days that we hams were considered as a public service. gone are the days of

Topband: The VY2ZM Lowband and Contest Station is FOR SALE

2015-02-26 Thread k1zm--- via Topband
Hi Guys Yes - you read the title correctlyit is time to move on. *SERIOUS INQUIRIES ONLY please to k...@aol.com Overview at QRZ.com - see VY2ZM Photos and Aerial Video at http://www.vy2zm.com Details will be be provided via email to serious inquiries only. Thanks for

Re: Topband: ham radio- NOT

2015-02-26 Thread Herbert Schoenbohm
The last trip from Navassa in 1969 from the rope ladder to the supply boat via a small wooden dingy, the dinghy broke apart and sank. The trips from Jamaica to and from were horrific with the high seas and the nauseating and constant smell of diesel fuel from the exhaust. Prior to this there

Re: Topband: ham radio- NOT

2015-02-26 Thread Dave Blaschke, w5un
Larry, I remember it well, and worked you guys there. Those were the glory days. Dave, W5UN remember Gus Browning? he was the guy who risked his life to take his suitcase radio to remote places in the world just so the chosen few could have a new country. remember the first expedition to

Re: Topband: Rules vs. Ethics (was Brave New World)

2015-02-26 Thread Doug Renwick
Good for you Larry to post this. It is interesting how some folks come up with all sorts of excuses to justify their unethical/immoral thoughts and behavior. The ARRL by fully putting the onus on the operator has abdicated the leadership role in ethical behavior, which to me is the same as

Topband: BOGs, Snakes and snowpack

2015-02-26 Thread K2RS
When spring finally arrives, I'd like to try a BOG and/or a Snake receive antenna. I live on a half-acre suburban lot and these antennas are doable. But I have a question about them. Does a substantial snowpack -- let's say a foot or more -- have an effect on the performace of on-the-ground

Re: Topband: BOGs, Snakes and snowpack

2015-02-26 Thread Mike Waters
Hello Guy, I understand that the dielectric constant of snow is far higher than air. But wouldn't some length of a BOG covered with snow at least hear better than the mag and wire loop that he currently has? 73, Mike www.w0btu.com On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 5:50 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV

Re: Topband: ham radio- NOT

2015-02-26 Thread Jim Brown
On Thu,2/26/2015 3:07 PM, Larry via Topband wrote: remember Gus Browning? he was the guy who risked his life to take his suitcase radio to remote places in the world just so the chosen few could have a new country. remember the first expedition to Mellish Reef? the guys almost lost their lives

Re: Topband: BOGs, Snakes and snowpack

2015-02-26 Thread K1FZ-Bruce
True the lower velocity factor does bring the frequency down lower with snow leaves. In my case found that 215 feet may be best in the dry month in summer, 200 feet is best on 160 meters year around.  I can get 3 S points front to back on my two wire reversible BOG under deep snow, but it is

Re: Topband: ham radio- NOT

2015-02-26 Thread Tom W8JI
This is a good example of something to consider: i am considering selling my station and renting one for the next DXpedition or contest. i can easily be the big gun. probably win the 160 meter contest from the W8JI rent a station. maybe i will rent a huge station on the east coast and

Re: Topband: ham radio- NOT

2015-02-26 Thread Jeff AC0C
I really don't understand the debate. The universe moves on and that includes ham radio. We can't rewind the clock - even if we could although I just bought a SX-101 so I could get the old feeling I had as a kid when I look at it. There is something in ham radio for about every possible

Re: Topband: ham radio- NOT

2015-02-26 Thread W0MU Mike Fatchett
When you guys really get tired of the internet radio can I have your stuff? I have a big garage. I will make good use of it since you won't be turning on your rigs anymore. Mike W0MU On 2/26/2015 6:12 PM, Jim Brown wrote: On Thu,2/26/2015 3:07 PM, Larry via Topband wrote: remember Gus

Re: Topband: ham radio- NOT

2015-02-26 Thread James Wolf
Larry, Look at the bright side. Maybe on your next DXpedition, you can work yourself remotely from your home station and get a new country ! Jim - KR9U -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Larry via Topband Sent: Thursday, February 26,