Re: Topband: Modeling Ground and losses

2015-02-27 Thread James Wolf
Jim, This brings up something I have been wondering about. You make several good points that I agree with. However, on one hand we have a very lossy earth (for instance sand) which would mean less coupling to the ground from the radials - acting more *like* a raised radial field. But if

Re: Topband: Fw: #1 on the DXCC Honor Roll

2015-02-27 Thread Art @ Linda
Dave CR8 Damoa would have been my second guess. Strangely I have seen three W6ODD/CR8 cards for sale and in collections, but only two FN8 cards . But after Frank, W3LPL mentioned that W6ODD made so few QSOs, it had to be that one. Art-N2AU - Original Message - From: Dave

Re: Topband: 160M CQ WW SSB this weekend - Frequencies

2015-02-27 Thread Charlie Cunningham
Í would leave it alone, Mike! Your tuner or amplifier should be able to tune out that small bit of reactance, I would think! And on 160 the excess loss in the coax from a bit of VSWR is really negligible! GL! 73, Charlie, K4OTV -Original Message- From: Topband

Re: Topband: Fwd: Re: BOGs, Snakes and snowpack

2015-02-27 Thread K2RS
Thanks to everyone who offered info about the effectiveness of on-the-ground receive antennas operating under a snowpack. 73, Jack K2RS On 2/27/2015 7:12 AM, K1FZ-Bruce wrote: I can believe this. If you think of earth as also capacitance to the wire, the optimum frequency would go much

Re: Topband: Modeling Ground and losses

2015-02-27 Thread Jim Brown
On Fri,2/27/2015 7:14 AM, Tom W8JI wrote: I don't think a description like that paints an accurate picture of what actually goes on. I agree with Tom's analysis -- a good radial system SHIELDS the field from the earth, returning the field and the IN PLACE OF the lossy earth. Studying

Re: Topband: Question...

2015-02-27 Thread Jim Brown
On Fri,2/27/2015 2:33 PM, k8...@hughes.net wrote: Now people swap qsl's for contacts that they personally never heard; one's that their computers have worked instead That's funny -- I work meteor scatter and other WSJT modes, and I damned sure DO hear virtually all meteor scatter QSOs. There

Topband: Question...

2015-02-27 Thread Eddy Swynar
Hi Guys, My appreciation of computers in the Ham shack, I'm afraid, is limited to placing the contest QSOs that I might make into Cabrillo format , post-contest, for benefit of to-day's contest sponsors---and I was dragged, kicking screaming all the way, into that stage, several years ago...!

Re: Topband: Question...

2015-02-27 Thread Jorge Diez CX6VM
Ufff Again, again and again Would be great to have a REMOTE reflector!! 73, Jorge Enviado desde mi iPhone El 27/02/2015, a las 10:34, Eddy Swynar deswy...@xplornet.ca escribió: Hi Guys, My appreciation of computers in the Ham shack, I'm afraid, is limited to placing the contest QSOs

Re: Topband: Remote now DXCC??

2015-02-27 Thread Michael Adams
The way I look at the recent rule tweak is that the ARRL is trying to recognize evolving technology and trends in a manner harmonious to what's already been acceptable under the DXCC rules. Hasn't it been acceptable for a while now to go to the opposite side of the country, work DX, and have

Re: Topband: Question...

2015-02-27 Thread W0MU Mike Fatchett
This is just another genie in a long list of genies that have been let out of the bottle. We will all live through it. Mike W0MU On 2/27/2015 9:07 AM, Eddy Swynar wrote: Hi Guys, Wow...! What an interesting question I've posed re. my fictional ...working-North-Korea-from-a-remote-location

Re: Topband: Question...

2015-02-27 Thread Bill Cromwell
Hi Eddy, You certainly can. However, you may not. I suspect the Japanese regulatory agency will have some say in how you operate in Japan and what you may use for a callsign. Your real question might be will dishonest hams do this? Probably. But where are you going to find any dishonest

Topband: Fwd: Re: BOGs, Snakes and snowpack

2015-02-27 Thread K1FZ-Bruce
I can believe this. If you think of earth as also capacitance to the wire,  the optimum  frequency would go much lower. Using radial wire grounds instead of deep ground rods, become part of the problem. A BOG antenna  is much less forgiving than an above ground Beverage, but  can be a

Re: Topband: Modeling Ground and losses

2015-02-27 Thread Richard Fry
... As I understand, the primary loss mechanism for ground mounted vertical systems is EM field penetrating the lossy material below. To lower this loss, one needs to prevent this ground penetration. ... A monopole will not radiate without a return path for the r-f current flowing into/on

Re: Topband: Question...

2015-02-27 Thread Marsh Stewart
Well, you probably can operate a remote station somewhere via the Internet to work the next DXpedition to a rare-one, and/or North Korea if/when they get on the air. The QSO should count for your 160M total - but ONLY for your 160M DXCC total from where the transmitter, receiver, and antennas are

Re: Topband: Remote now DXCC??

2015-02-27 Thread Doug Renwick
Yes the DXCC award you have earned is yours. But the problem is the publishing of the standings. The cheaters, commercial RHR users, ethical types are all grouped together. If the standings were not published, highlighted, promoted then it would be a personal award. But when ALL are grouped

Re: Topband: Question...

2015-02-27 Thread mstangelo
Eddy, This is fine as long as you sign VE3XZ/JA drone. Mike N2MS On 02/27/2015 07:34 AM, Eddy Swynar wrote: Hi Guys, My appreciation of computers in the Ham shack, I'm afraid, is limited to placing the contest QSOs that I might make into Cabrillo format , post-contest, for benefit of

Re: Topband: Remote now DXCC??

2015-02-27 Thread W0MU Mike Fatchett
Why does publishing the results change anything. Is there a prize for being Honor Roll number 1? How do you account for all the other dirty contacts on the DXCC rolls? Those are just ignored and only remote contacts are the problem? Once again they publish where you stand. If guess if you

Re: Topband: Remote now DXCC??

2015-02-27 Thread Larry
You are suggesting something like WAS where all QSO have to be made within a 25 mile radius (something close to that). 73, Larry W6NWS -Original Message- From: Michael Adams Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 12:24 PM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: Remote now DXCC??

Re: Topband: Modeling Ground and losses

2015-02-27 Thread Richard Fry
Regarding the quotes below: 2.) We see any radial or counterpoise system, close to the radial or counterpoise, has to have external fields. Those fields must extend out of the counterpoise, and always cause loss when a counterpoise is near a lossy media. 3.) We see we only mitigate the loss

Re: Topband: Rules vs. Ethics (was Brave New World)

2015-02-27 Thread Michael Tope
Larry, you hit upon a very important point regarding ethical lapses not being entirely victimless. Personally, I feel very strongly that when I send a QSL to someone it should indicate the state, county, and grid square where my station was located at the time of the contact. If my QSL or LOTW

Topband: FU-728F

2015-02-27 Thread Ricardo A. Rodrigues
Dear friends, please who sells the FU-728F tube in the USA, besides RF Parts? Thanks in advance -- Dick Rodrigues PY2RO _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband

Re: Topband: Brave New World

2015-02-27 Thread Jerry Keller (K3BZ)
This wouldn't be much of a problem if the callsign goes with the station, not the operator. The list operations were indeed like shooting fish in a barrel, but at least (it seemed like) everyone used their own gun and their own bullets...i.e., their own station callsign, from their own

Topband: 160M CQ WW SSB this weekend - Frequencies

2015-02-27 Thread Mike Waters
Can anyone suggest the best freqs. to tune our 160m inverted-L for the CQ WW SSB contest this weekend? The antenna is a long way from the house, andt's tough to do that in the pitch dark and cold. :-) It seems to me that in the past, it's been about where the CW contests always take place, and

Re: Topband: Modeling Ground and losses

2015-02-27 Thread Tom W8JI
A monopole will not radiate without a return path for the r-f current flowing into/on it. In the case of a ground-mounted vertical monopole, the first part of that return path is provided by the capacitive coupling of the monopole to the earth around its base. Currents are generated in that

Re: Topband: Question...

2015-02-27 Thread Doug Renwick
I believe I understand what you are saying ... if you can't control it then legalize it. Doug -Original Message- thrown out a hotel upper storey window. Question: can I link myself via the internet to some remote ...rent-a-station in, say, nearby Japan, and use that station to QSO

Topband: Remote now DXCC??

2015-02-27 Thread W0MU Mike Fatchett
Why are we centered on remote operations dirtying up the DXCC program? DXCC is far from clean now and from the limited amount of reading available people have been scamming DXCC long before I was licensed in 1978. The ARRL recognizes that this is a new and upcoming technology and the more

Topband: ARRL abdication?

2015-02-27 Thread Charles Yahrling
FWIW I agree after reading the position email that the ARRL is in effect saying the problem is too big to solve by leaving it up to the op to do the right thing without giving more explicit guidance on what the right thing ought to be. So what are 'the better principles of ham radio these days? As

Re: Topband: ham radio- NOT

2015-02-27 Thread Mike Waters
I've thought about making at least my Beverage antennas accessible over the Internet, on a small scale and likely not more than a few times a month. By far, the main appeal of that would also be the enjoyment of doing it. Once this project was done, and a few hams used it, the main thrill for me

Re: Topband: Remotes

2015-02-27 Thread Mel Crichton
For a number of reasons, I operate my regular Indiana QTH from here in Montana. Here we have CCRs that limit me to very low invisible stealth antennas and fewer bands, and being surrounded by mountains 2000 to 5000 feet higher does not help. So for DXCC purposes and for 160 meters I am in

Re: Topband: Question...

2015-02-27 Thread Eddy Swynar
Hi Guys, Wow...! What an interesting question I've posed re. my fictional ...working-North-Korea-from-a-remote-location scenario...! Amazingly enough, fully 7 of the direct respondents to me stated that---in one way, shape, or form---one COULD, indeed, have the physical ability to do just

Re: Topband: Modeling Ground and losses

2015-02-27 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
Having lived in the Newburgh area, I have to object again to this report that I have tried to debunk before. I have earlier communicated this objection to Mr. Fry which he chooses to ignore. Given the topography of the area, this report is simply incomplete and unproven unless the GPS coordinates

Re: Topband: Remote now DXCC??

2015-02-27 Thread Doug Renwick
Response below *** -Original Message- Why does publishing the results change anything. Is there a prize for being Honor Roll number 1? *** yes How do you account for all the other dirty contacts on the DXCC rolls? Those are just ignored and only remote contacts are the problem?

Re: Topband: Modeling Ground and losses

2015-02-27 Thread Richard Fry
... Simply put, the Newburgh area is at least a difficult area and at worst an entirely inappropriate area to test this thesis. ... Some may not be aware of the methodology used to determine the FCC efficiency of an AM broadcast radiator (see

Re: Topband: 160M CQ WW SSB this weekend - Frequencies

2015-02-27 Thread Tim Shoppa
The higher you go, the easier to find and hold a run frequency. Action extends way way above 1900. There will be a couple occupied net frequencies along the way. When I get home tonight, my normally 1820-optimized tuning, gets tweaked to be centered closer to 1870 (maybe higher if I end up

Re: Topband: Remote now DXCC??

2015-02-27 Thread Gary Smith
*** Let me help out here. I have gone on record in past postings that I personally do NOT have a problem with remote operations in the vicinity of their home station. The problem is people using remotes in different countries and on different sides of the continent to inflate their

Re: Topband: 160M CQ WW SSB this weekend - Frequencies

2015-02-27 Thread Lloyd Berg N9LB
Hi Mike! If this year is like other years, 160m will be filled from one band edge to the other. Yes, the lower half will have more stations operating than the upper half. 73 Lloyd - N9LB On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 1:03 PM, Mike Waters wrote: Can anyone suggest the best freqs. to tune our

Re: Topband: Remote now DXCC??

2015-02-27 Thread Doug Renwick
Yes you are probably right that protesting won't change a thing. But should that mean that when something negative like this happens, that voicing an objection is not considered? Should we just shrug and say 'whatever'. Some do say whatever. Yes cheating has been around for some time. The

Re: Topband: Remote now DXCC??

2015-02-27 Thread Mark Langenfeld
The irony of setting out to win at all costs is that it cheapens the victories. _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband

Re: Topband: Question...

2015-02-27 Thread mstangelo
Eddy, You do have a computer in the shack. You are an internet operator. Ham radio was one of the first forms of social media. We used to discuss operating and contesting issues on the air with our nets. We replaced the radio social media with internet groups and chat rooms. I bet you're like

Re: Topband: Remote now DXCC??

2015-02-27 Thread Gary Smith
It's not that my opinion really matters to anyone but me. I was thinking more that right or wrong, somebody somewhere will do wrong. I wasn't thinking as much along the lines of the complaining not helping (which it doesn't). For instance: In my garage I have a tool, a 9 pound sledge hammer

Re: Topband: Question...

2015-02-27 Thread Tim Shoppa
I don't think signing VE3XZ/JA is good enough for remote through Japan. The ones I know who do such stuff, have a special foreigner in JA call that starts with 7J, and there's even a special block of callsigns for club of foreigners in JA. The truly groundbreaking remote operations I know of, are

Topband: #1 on the DXCC Honor Roll

2015-02-27 Thread Herbert Schoenbohm
For years, some time ago, there was a DXER who was always #1 on the ARRL DXCC Honor Roll. He always had one more country than everybody else. I've never been able to find out what that country ( or entity as they call it now) was, i.e. a country that this top gun had worked and that no other

Re: Topband: Question...

2015-02-27 Thread mstangelo
Tim, The whole call would be - VE3XZ/JA drone. This was my attempt at satire. I am referring to remote operation as drone operation Who knows? Maybe the IARU will authorize the drone suffix. Mike N2MS - Original Message - From: Tim Shoppa tsho...@gmail.com To:

Re: Topband: Remote now DXCC??

2015-02-27 Thread W0MU Mike Fatchett
What bad thing happened? A bunch of guys made contacts. Nothing bad happened. A sick station owner gets to build a station and have people operate it. In this case nothing bad happened. Why turn this into a witch hunt? Everything was LEGAL! Mike W0MU On 2/27/2015 2:07 PM, Doug Renwick

Re: Topband: Fw: #1 on the DXCC Honor Roll

2015-02-27 Thread HAROLD SMITH JR
Hi Frank, You took the words out of my mouth or fingers. Back in the 60s and 70s, I worked Charlie Mellen on 20 ssb quite often. Charlie was # 1 on the Honor Roll followed by Marv W6VFR for many years. Look in the old QSTs fron the 50s and 60s and you will see them both listed. Had a sked

Re: Topband: Fw: #1 on the DXCC Honor Roll

2015-02-27 Thread Herbert Schoenbohm
Thanks Frank for the fascinating information. I guess Charlie, W1FH was at the right place at the right time. Remember this was before spotting and the internet as you were required to do a lot of listening across the band to grab something as super rare as CR8. Herb, KV4FZ On 2/27/2015

Re: Topband: Fw: #1 on the DXCC Honor Roll

2015-02-27 Thread Dave Blaschke, w5un
French indo-China (FN8) was worked by many. I would put my money on Damao (CR8) or Goa (CR8 also), both Portuguese enclaves on the coastline of India. I assume you are referring to Charlie, W1FH. Dave, W5UN On 2/27/2015 10:50 PM, Art @ Linda wrote: Herb My guess would be that it was French

Re: Topband: Question...

2015-02-27 Thread k8bhz
I think you've missed Eddy's point. Like him, I don't have a computer in the shack. The radios are in my lab down in the basement; my computer is upstairs in the computer room. Yes, I'm obviously on that computer now, but I have never pretended that it's a radio! I used to enjoy working meteor

Topband: why does it matter?

2015-02-27 Thread Charles Yahrling
The ARRL could take the lead in creating an Unlimited class where anything goes, which would at least by implication recognize the folks like me who would rather engineer around the limitations of their QTH and get the DXCC awards the old fashioned way. Seems to me the awards are traditionally

Topband: Fw: #1 on the DXCC Honor Roll

2015-02-27 Thread Art @ Linda
Herb My guess would be that it was French India FN8. Art-N2AU - Original Message - From: Herbert Schoenbohm he...@vitelcom.net To: TopBand List topband@contesting.com Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 5:01 PM Subject: Topband: #1 on the DXCC Honor Roll For years, some time ago,

Re: Topband: Fw: #1 on the DXCC Honor Roll

2015-02-27 Thread donovanf
Hi Herb, The DXer you're referring to is Charlie Mellen W1FH and the deleted DXCC entity is CR8 Damao, Diu. He kindly loaned my his CR8 QSL for a DXCC QSL display at the 1966 ARRL National Convention in 1966. W6ODD/CR8 made 55 QSOs on August 2, 1948, the only activity from this DXCC entity