Re: Topband: [Bulk] Best wire antenna for roof top location

2015-08-08 Thread Nuradi
Thankyou verymuch to Grant KZ1W, Greg ZL3IX, Mike W0BTU, Garry NI6T and Jim K9YC for all the suggestion. As suggest by Grant KZ1W and Jim K9YC, I will install a half-lambda dipole on 160M with both ends were 90 degrees bent due to the size of the building ,and find out what will be the Tx / Rx

Topband: Top Band Antenna

2015-08-08 Thread rodger bryce
Thanks to all who responded to my enquiry...an Inverted 'L' was the most common advice so will give that option some serious thought. Further question: should a ground rod be used as part of a radial system, or should it be treated separately.? I have seen various arguments for and

Re: Topband: Top Band Antenna

2015-08-08 Thread Jon Zaimes
My most recent method of connecting radials at the base of a vertical is to drive in a short copper pipe ground rod and use an all-stainless hose clamp to attach the wires to it. But in some portable operations I have dispensed with any ground rod, and the antenna still seems to work fine.

Re: Topband: [Bulk] Best wire antenna for roof top location

2015-08-08 Thread Art Snapper
If the noise level is too high, perhaps you could use a separate receive antenna. A pennant, flag, or coaxial loop, might help null noise from certain directions. Art NK8X ᐧ On Sat, Aug 8, 2015 at 6:18 AM, Nuradi yb0...@gmail.com wrote: Thankyou verymuch to Grant KZ1W, Greg ZL3IX, Mike W0BTU,

Re: Topband: Top Band Antenna

2015-08-08 Thread Jim Brown
On Sat,8/8/2015 4:05 AM, rodger bryce wrote: Further question: should a ground rod be used as part of a radial system, or should it be treated separately.? I have seen various arguments for and against, wondering what the group thinks on this. A ground rod is NOT an effective part of a

Re: Topband: [Bulk] Best wire antenna for roof top location

2015-08-08 Thread Tom W8JI
And remember -- the roof of this building is 110m, so a horizontal antenna is high enough to have pretty good low angle radiation! See Large buildings are not towers or poles. Buildings have a significant amount of large conductive metallic things and noise generating junk inside. A

Re: Topband: [Bulk] Best wire antenna for roof top location

2015-08-08 Thread K1FZ-Bruce
  Some years ago, on 80 meters, an LZ station had a horizontal between two tall buildings and had a very strong signal.   73 Bruce-k1fz www.qsl.net/k1fz/beverage_antenna.html     On Sat, 8 Aug 2015 10:58:22 -0400, Tom W8JI wrote: And remember -- the roof of this building is 110m, so

Re: Topband: [Bulk] Best wire antenna for roof top location

2015-08-08 Thread Merv Schweigert
I have been in Jakarta and also a number of places in China trying to operate from a city environment, you cannot believe the noise, S9 if your lucky, and its 360 degs, impossible to null, Operating from BY1QH building top, the best was a dipole stretched between two buildings roofs. At

Re: Topband: Best wire antenna for roof top location

2015-08-08 Thread W2RU - Bud Hippisley
On Aug 8, 2015, at 10:58 22AM, Tom W8JI w...@w8ji.com wrote: Large buildings are not towers or poles. Buildings have a significant amount of large conductive metallic things and noise generating junk inside. If the building has wiring and large connected metallic things under the

Re: Topband: [Bulk] Best wire antenna for roof top location

2015-08-08 Thread Tom W8JI
Some years ago, on 80 meters, an LZ station had a horizontal between two tall buildings and had a very strong signal. 73 Bruce-k1fz Between buildings is entirely different than on a building roof. Full context is important. As I said: A simple vertical antenna has elevation pattern mostly

Re: Topband: [Bulk] Best wire antenna for roof top location

2015-08-08 Thread JC
Even with a 400 ft high building, a horizontal antenna a fraction of wave over the roof can be very disappointing. Tom is 100% right, one of the best rood top signal on top band is from 9M2AX. Ross tested several antennas and the only one that worked well was the inverted L. He has a tall

Re: Topband: Best wire antenna for roof top location

2015-08-08 Thread Mirko S57AD
Nuradi, how about halfwave sloping dipoles hung digonally from the top of the building? Some 30 years ago at YU1EXY we had contest shack at top of 60m tall building with student's dormitory. In spite the building was in the middle of city noise, sloping dipoles played extremely well. Later we

Re: Topband: Top Band Antenna

2015-08-08 Thread john
I have this with interest---lot of stuff maybe even at age 74 you can teach an old dog new tricks...bookmarked and will attempt to absorbthanks 73 john w8wej On 8/8/2015 2:55 PM, Jim Brown wrote: On Sat,8/8/2015 4:05 AM, rodger bryce wrote: Further question: should a ground rod be

Re: Topband: Best wire antenna for roof top location

2015-08-08 Thread Douglas Ruz
I agree with Mirko...sloping dipoles is the best choice for Nuradi location...THE LOW BAND DXING book is very clear. If SEA WATER is close it is better. 73Douglas, CO8DM No creo que haya alguna emoción más intensa para un inventor que ver alguna de sus creaciones funcionando. Esa emoción