Re: Topband: Strange propagation

That is NOT ALL true, SOME stations are indeed other hams' stations and they get a piece of the action based on what the monthly draw of revenue on the station. However, MANY and the majority of the sites are owned by them. They buy property all over and set up these stations. SO NOT ALL by

Re: Topband: Strange propagation

>>>Which brings to mind another issue: 160m card checkers will disallow a card if the DX QSO occurred in the middle of the day since the path would be impossible. Can't make that assumption, anymore.<<< LOTW is responsible for 90% or more 160m DXCC confirmation and there is no check on day

Re: Topband: Strange propagation

JC hit the nail on the head...lets identify those who are using RHR openly. My preference would be a specific suffix designator that would identify the transmitting station and then let's see if anyone wants to work a RHR on the air. I witnessed a local san diego station working RHR last

Re: Topband: Strange propagation

And, what happened to identifying with the call of the station you were operating? It's still in the regs. 73, Roger On 1/14/2016 4:44 PM, Brian Mattson wrote: -Original Message- From: Louis Parascondola via Topband Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 3:27 PM To:

Topband: Fwd: Strange propagation

-Original Message- From: Larry To: barry.n1eu Sent: Thu, Jan 14, 2016 10:22 pm Subject: Re: Topband: Strange propagation More than once I have worked some Ukraine station in the 160 meter contest at S9 plus when it is broad daylight in UB5.

Re: Topband: Strange propagation

Did you ever shoot an animal with a gun? Shooting an animal with a gun is like using RHR for ANTO. Shooting an animal with a bow and arrow is like using your station that may be just average. The ethics of the whole thing has already been settled by the ARRL so ethics don't have to be looked

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> The ethics of the whole thing has already been settled by the ARRL so ethics don't have to be looked at. Actually the ARRL didn't do squat about ethics. They left the "ethics" up to the operator. You are confusing "rules" with "ethics". There is a difference between what is permitted and what

Re: Topband: Strange propagation

That is fantastic Gary, I wish I can say the same. That is something to be very proud of indeed. -Original Message- From: kd9sv To: 'Jorge Diez CX6VM' ; 'Mike Waters' Cc: 'TopBand List' ; 'Herbert

Re: Topband: Strange propagation

Mike, if you were presented with a card showing a Topband QSO that took place two hours after the sunrise at the QTH of the card holder how would you handle it? Let's assume for the sake of simplicity that the card holder has lived at the same QTH for his entire hamming "career". Larry K5Rki

Re: Topband: Strange propagation

I was specifically told by one checker that he doesn't even check the time of a Topband QSO. Go figure. Larry K5RK -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Kris Mraz Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 7:19 PM To: topband@contesting.com

Re: Topband: Strange propagation

Well so much for the ARRL card checkers as unless the checker here in a U.S. Territory has a DXCC on 160 they will not accredit him/her and I must send the cards for 160 meter (just 160 meters) via the post office. Another one of the ARRL's inconsistent policies that makes no sense. Herb

Re: Topband: Strange propagation

<> The issue is what you do and not what you say If all this new technology is do good , the HRH users should be proud of is and PUBLISH, open publicly and announce proudly . "" I am a HRH user!!! "" However that is far from reality, the main business drive is privacy. HRH warranty

Re: Topband: Strange propagation

Larry, et al, I am a 160 card checker, and I damn well DO check the times! I'm sorry to report that I have found cases where "impossible" QSOs were claimed, and reported them to the mother ship in Newington. I would sincerely hope that my colleagues would do the same. -- 73, Mike Cizek

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I am a 160 card checker, and I damn well DO check the times! I'm sorry to report that I have found cases where "impossible" QSOs were claimed, and reported them to the mother ship in Newington. I would sincerely hope that my colleagues would do the same.>>> But isn't it legal to operate

Re: Topband: Fwd: Strange propagation

Larry, I do believe when the remote station is not in the same country the operator must sign a / Like UB5XXX/W2 He would if he was physically here operating stateside, so he made a mistake by not doing so. BTW...Larry, what was the name of your old girlfriend that moved to Connecticut

Re: Topband: Fwd: Strange propagation

We are all entitled to our opinions and, of course, they may differ from others. I'm fine with thoughtful discussion. I think it's healthy. I do, however, tire of always having the technology bit thrown in my face. It is NOT an objection to new technology, including the use of remote

Re: Topband: Strange propagation

really? to which I say,,,God bless you,,, Ill just turn the other check for me this thread is over 73 john w8wej On 1/14/2016 10:56 PM, Louis Parascondola via Topband wrote: Did you ever shoot an animal with a gun? Shooting an animal with a gun is like using RHR for ANTO. Shooting an

Re: Topband: Strange propagation

Which brings to mind another issue: 160m card checkers will disallow a card if the DX QSO occurred in the middle of the day since the path would be impossible. Can't make that assumption, anymore. Kris N5KM -Original Message- From: Larry To: barry.n1eu

Re: Topband: Strange propagation

you know,,,at 74 if I need something that bad,,, I need to re-evaluate my priorities,,, what ever I work will be from my home , or my farm, 32 miles away I am very fortunate to have both and a basic station station at both,, in person on site ,,, I understand folks in apartments etc,,,

Re: Topband: Strange propagation

“Remember back in the Golden Years when it was STRICTLY FORBIDDEN to profit from "amateur radio" When did that go away???” I believe the rule is “station must not transmit communications for hire or for material compensation, direct or indirect, paid or promised…” That’s way different

Re: Topband: Strange propagation

I hardly doubt that it would ever be that big because eventually everyone who wants to do RHR will and those that won't, won't. Herb, when that happens, ham radio, as we know it, will be over. (aren't we already used to this sort of thing happening in our time and in our country?)

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It didn't, it is still in play. Profiting from Ham radio by using the air waves for business purposes is what is illegal. For example If I use ham radio to dispatch taxi cabs or to call my employees that are on the road to send them to their next job, or to handle traffic between to people

Re: Topband: Strange propagation

Dave, Herb, et al: Respectfully, RHR is likely here to stay, like it or not. If you want to try and change that, fine. But I am not going to let that --or how others use RHR to their advantage-- bother me. :-) I get a warm fuzzy feeling of deep contentment operating the 160 meter station that I

Re: Topband: Strange propagation

That is the right attitude to take. Working DX and the like should be a personal endeavor and what others do is their business. This is why the ARRL came down on the issue as they did and of course for other reasons, but this way no one gets harmed. Tell me you worked 5BDXCC that way and it

Re: Topband: Strange propagation

Jorge, Many years ago the rules for these awards required that one had to stay within a radius of 250 miles from any of the various locations they operated and accumulated contacts for awards. At some point in time that rule was changed. Now the rule is (regarding US hams) that they can be

Re: Topband: Strange propagation

Larry, You are entitled to your opinion. I can see your point. But don't blame the RHR guys. I would blame those who you think should not be getting credit and do. I'll bet some hams use RHR and they don't care about awards, they just want to operate ham radio because MAYBE they can't

Re: Topband: Strange propagation

Herb, when that happens, ham radio, as we know it, will be over. (aren't we already used to this sort of thing happening in our time and in our country?) Dave, W5UN On 1/14/2016 9:52 PM, Herbert Schoenbohm wrote: Dave, What will happen then is that the RHR gurus will just jack up the rates

Re: Topband: Strange propagation

You are the control operator of that station and it is your call that is used. -Original Message- From: Roger D Johnson To: Brian Mattson Cc: Louis Parascondola ; topband Sent: Thu, Jan 14, 2016

Re: Topband: Strange propagation

Hello I have one doubt about that Can you confirm me that before RHR nobody worked DXCC and WAS from different locations? For example someone that move from east coast to Texas and them to west coast and compute all his/her qsos from this 3 QTH,s? 73, Jorge CX6VM/CW5W Enviado desde mi

Re: Topband: Strange propagation

FYI...I have dxcc 304 and 40 zones on 160 meters and all were worked from my home in NE Indiana. 73, de gary, kd9sv -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Jorge Diez CX6VM Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 6:38 PM To: Mike Waters Cc: TopBand

Re: Topband: Strange propagation

Most of the gun hunters say that to the bow hunters. -Original Message- From: john To: topband Sent: Thu, Jan 14, 2016 6:14 pm Subject: Re: Topband: Strange propagation really? to which I say,,,God bless you,,, Ill just turn the other check

Re: Topband: Strange propagation

Jim, Artificial insemination is advanced technology also but pray tell me that it is more fun. We are not taking about an either- or situation of "embracing progress in amateur radio" at all. What some of us eschew is the replacement of what was here to for a relatively stable paradigm and

Re: Topband: Strange propagation

I have lost my amateur station in three major hurricanes over the years here, everything including radios (from water) and antennas. I have also rebuilt them a four different locations until I finally scrapped enough money together and bought a home next to a large salt pond. I have full

Re: Topband: Strange propagation - antenna suggestions

Dave, I know your dilemma. In addition we are also getting older and most of us likely will have to downsize or relocate. I also like to build and fiddle around with my own station. Operating another person's not my cup of tea. RHR takes the Amateur out of Amateur radio for me. I've learned

Re: Topband: A reminder

On 1/14/2016 5:05 PM, Tree wrote: Please sign your emails with your callsign (assuming you have one). Thanks. Tree N6TR _ It would also be very helpful to give your QTH, especially if your call is out of district. Rick N6RK Galt, CA _ Topband Reflector

Re: Topband: strange propagation

It is the same thing as if he was here physically, he must use his call with a / w2 or whatever. Sent from AOL Mobile Mail -Original Message- From: Ed Sawyer To: topband Sent: Thu, Jan 14, 2016 11:39 PM Subject: Re: Topband: strange

Re: Topband: Strange propagation

We have to see if RHR is a registered trademark name so that when we say things like this we make sure we are not singling out this specific group that supplies this service as opposed to anyone who remotes any station. Sent from AOL Mobile Mail -Original Message- From: Carl Braun

Re: Topband: strange propagation

In the case discussed of a station remoting in and not properly identifying (ie an Italian station remoting a USA station but continuing to use the Italian callsign), it seems to me that the FCC would consider the station owner the control operator and therefore responsible for the proper IDing of

Re: Topband: Strange propagation

Aha. You got me there :-) On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 7:46 PM, JC wrote: > Which brings to mind another issue: 160m card checkers will disallow a > card if the DX QSO occurred in the middle of the day since the path would be > impossible. > Can't make that assumption,

Re: Topband: Strange propagation

Tom please comment on the 4pm QSL card from ct. Claiming S2 at 4pm local time. Sent from AOL Mobile Mail -Original Message- From: Tom W8JI To: topband ; Mike Cizek W0VTT Sent: Thu, Jan 14, 2016 09:42 PM Subject: Re: Topband:

Re: Topband: Strange propagation

You probably worked the IT9 station in Sicily, Right? Why bitch? You get full credit for working IT9 on the top band and it counts for every award you can apply to it. The problem is the person using the station stateside remotely gets NO credit for anything he works, but you do. SO what is

Re: Topband: Strange propagation

When a ham operates a remote station using his call sign that is within the continental US, it makes no difference. If a ham is operating at an alternate QTH he does not have to sign/X any longer. Those days are gone. SO even if you look him up it does not mean he is at that location. The

Topband: K5P QRV 160

Just noted 2336Z per K9CT on the 160 chat: “Hello from Palmyra …..we have fixed the 160m antenna and will be on at our SS … GL" Steve WB6RSE _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband

Topband: Before remote op...way before

I haven't been on 160 for a long time. Intending to when I get back. In HK now heading so Vietnam for pleasure. Didn't get the free trip 40 years ago! But I was on on the 60s and had the excitement of working VK with a S40B RX and an ARC5 from KS. Also go to visit W0VXO in MN (Hi Herb) and W1BB

Topband: Strange propagation

 " SO what is the beef?  RHR is just another form of progress due to advances in technology, if we did not embrace progress in ham radio technology we would all still be talking to one another on Lunch boxes and Gooney boxes! " Problems begin when technology changes ethics. Jimk2hn 

Topband: A reminder

Please sign your emails with your callsign (assuming you have one). Thanks. Tree N6TR _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband

Re: Topband: strange propagation

Correct, but if he doesn’t, its actually the primary responsibility of the control operator/station owner to shut down the station to prevent further illegal transmissions. Ed N1UR From: Louis Parascondola [mailto:gudguy...@aol.com] Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 1:53 AM To:

Re: Topband: Strange propagation

And what about the S2 QSO I talk about? Sent from AOL Mobile Mail -Original Message- From: Larry Burke To: topband Sent: Thu, Jan 14, 2016 08:46 PM Subject: Re: Topband: Strange propagation Mike, if you were presented with a card showing a

Re: Topband: Strange propagation

Once again what would you do with the S2 QSL card? Sent from AOL Mobile Mail -Original Message- From: Larry Burke To: topband Sent: Thu, Jan 14, 2016 08:37 PM Subject: Re: Topband: Strange propagation I was specifically told by one checker

Re: Topband: Strange propagation

Do you have any idea what information your cell phone can tell others when you say OK to the terms of the apps you download? Talk about technology and ethics? But it seems many of us allow them to scrub whatever information they want to get that app. Sent from AOL Mobile Mail

Re: Topband: K5P first night

Never mind. I just found a web site that said "Palmyra *Atoll*". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palmyra_Atoll All I have to do now is find your 160m operating schedule, which so far escapes my searches and browsing. 73, Mike www.w0btu.com On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 1:46 PM, Mike Waters

Re: Topband: Strange propagation

Look at the situation; There are just a few stateside RHR for rent locations. As more and more "hams" begin to use these sites to work DXpeditions, the queue length to access one of these sites will become hopeless long. JUST A THOUGHT. Dave, W5UN On 1/14/2016 6:33 PM, Herbert Schoenbohm

Topband: Fading

I know that fading can be caused by phase rotation of the arriving signal. Can fading be caused by the signal changing arrival angle over time (1-3 seconds)? I ask this because of something I observed while attempting to tune my Shared Apex Loop (SAL) antenna the other night. In the forward

Re: Topband: K5P first night

Herb and Topbanders I, too, heard K5P on TB well after my sunrise here in San Diego...about 25 minutes past SR. In fact, the K5P signal on TB was better than it was on 80M. I witnessed some real QSB fades on 80 and saw none of that on 160. The pile up on 80 was also much less organized than

Topband: K5P first night

Congratulations to all the stations who made it into the log; a lot of them. To my knowledge the first ten into the log, in order, were... N5IA N7GP K7ZV WA7LNW N6TR N6RW VE5UA AA6RR N7DD KJ6P I made a 2-channel recording of the entire first night of the K5P operation on 160 Meters. My

Re: Topband: Strange propagation

Lets face it, the RHR guys take out sizeable ads in QST often times full page ads and so it would be shooting themselves in the foot if they in any way went against RHR. SO they did the next best thing and left it up to the individual to decide what is moral or ethical for them. If someone

Re: Topband: K5P first night

First night I heard K5P fine one a nice post S/R peak on TB 45 minutes after my SR. Unfortunately the wall from the mainland was non-penetrable. I noticed from the prop chart that the operation doesn't see the wonderful opening I an other Caribbean stations would have from 9:00 to 10:00.

Re: Topband: K5P first night

Milt, are you on a DXpedition operating from Palmyra in Syria?! Of all the places! I should switch my antenna back to 160m and see if we can work you. 73, MIke www.w0btu.com _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband

Re: Topband: Strange propagation

-Original Message- From: Louis Parascondola via Topband Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 3:27 PM To: j...@audiosystemsgroup.com ; topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: Strange propagation SO they did the next best thing and left it up to the individual to decide what is moral

Re: Topband: Fading

Hi Kris, If you belong to the shared apex loop Yahoo Groups click on the file tab and then look for my call sign. You will see plots that I generated looking at the front to back ratio versus elevation angle, and I think these plots might help answer some of your questions. Don (wd8dsb) On

Re: Topband: Strange propagation

Dave, What will happen then is that the RHR gurus will just jack up the rates to take the hams with deepest pockets. Additionally the laws of supply will kick in and more RHR station and others will invest in this scheme to put more stations on the air. As this progresses the value of the

Re: Topband: Strange propagation

This is a BIG issue to grapple with. It would make sense to me that a callsign transmitted over the air should correspond to a station location in a publically viewable registry and if the location of the transmission deviates, the callsign needs to append /XX to reflect the station location.