Re: Topband: Low band antenna project questions

2016-03-07 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
On 3/7/2016 3:11 PM, Jim Brown wrote: The vertical pattern of any antenna is produced by the reinforcement of the direct wave by the first reflection from the earth. That reflection is MUCH stronger, and is strong at a lower angle, if the "earth" at the point of reflection is sea water. Sea

Re: Topband: Low band antenna project questions

2016-03-07 Thread Jim Brown
On Mon,3/7/2016 12:37 PM, NC3Z Gary wrote: My 160M dipole is actually a 160/80M fan and resonates well on both bands, For several years after I moved to W6 ten years ago, I had a loaded 160 dipole that was also resonant on 80M up at about 120 ft. Even at that height, its a low dipole on

Topband: Low band antenna project questions

2016-03-07 Thread Bill N6MW
For 160/80 some features under discussion and used, both at home and for V7, were a 55' vertical + drooping T (2x or 3x wires at ~ 45 degrees but reachable from the ground for initial tuning) + two/few experimentally tuned elevated radials for each band. The raw antenna is long on 80 and

Re: Topband: Low band antenna project questions

2016-03-07 Thread NC3Z Gary
OK, this has me intrigued. So the T top would look like this if looking straight up (or straight down) with the vertical portion at the xx? x x x xx xx xx xx x x xx x x xx xx xx xx x x x My 160M dipole is actually a 160/80M fan and resonates well on both

Re: Topband: Low band antenna project questions

2016-03-07 Thread Grant Saviers
Good recommendations. I did a couple of things differently for my 160 T hung to 3 trees, I use Lewmar or Ronstan or Harken small swivel blocks, cheaper, more durable in tough environments and the swivel helps keep lines from tangling or twist from messing things up. Don't use 3 strand rope.

Re: Topband: Low band antenna project questions

2016-03-07 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
On 3/7/2016 11:05 AM, John Pescatore via Topband wrote: It is resonant on 160, with about 16 radials out now, so don't need a tuner there. I've tried it on other bands with a tuner in the shack, and performance is horrible. Could have been so much loss in the coax that a base of the

Re: Topband: Low band antenna project questions

2016-03-07 Thread Gary Smith
Gary, Though our conditions are different, I also have a top height of somewhere around 50-60'. I don't know exactly, I run a sloper over the top of the tallest tree I can find from my radial plate. I'm at the edge of a marsh and every hurricane takes down trees and I need to get them up over

Topband: 160M vertical on sloping land

2016-03-07 Thread N2TK, Tony
At KP2M we have a FCP inv-L for 160M. This has improved our signal from the sloping dipole we originally had up. The land has a steep downward slope towards the north, about 45 degrees. The vertical is about 30’ above an elevated feed about 10’ above the ground. The L portion goes up the hill to a

Re: Topband: Low band antenna project questions

2016-03-07 Thread John Pescatore via Topband
Gary - I've had a 51' T up for 6 or 7 years now and it is a very good transmit antenna on 160. It is resonant on 160, with about 16 radials out now, so don't need a tuner there. I've tried it on other bands with a tuner in the shack, and performance is horrible. On most bands, it heard/talked

Re: Topband: Low band antenna project questions

2016-03-07 Thread Jim Brown
Hi Gary, The antenna you describe should work quite well on both bands, but I'll suggest a couple of tweaks to make the matching easier. First, make it a Tee -- if you have a catenary, you can support a Tee as easily as an L. Second, make the top section a fan (like a fan dipole) with short

Re: Topband: Low band antenna project questions

2016-03-07 Thread Charles Moizeau
Gary, Given the 50' maximum height of a presumably level catenary line supported at its ends, there are two things you can do to significantly improve the performance of the 50' vertical wire hanging below. 1. Obtain a stout piece of bamboo. Try to make at least a 10' long pole, and this

Re: Topband: Low band antenna project questions

2016-03-07 Thread NC3Z Gary
That is the highest I can get support for. I am in far eastern NC and right on the sound where we get hurricanes and nor'easters so I am not putting up the towers I had at the old QTH. Gary Mitchelson NC3Z/4 Pamlico County, NC FM15 On 07-Mar-16 09:49, Robert Harmon wrote: > Gary, > Are you

Re: Topband: Low band antenna project questions

2016-03-07 Thread Robert Harmon
Gary, Are you restricted to 50 feet high max ? Bob K6UJ On 3/7/16 5:50 AM, NC3Z Gary wrote: OK, still working on my permanent low band antenna and what I can fit for an effective antenna. The space I have is a recently cleared forest area. I had originally considered a full size loop but the

Re: Topband: Low band antenna project questions

2016-03-07 Thread mstangelo
Gary, I have an inverted L similar to this setup and it does a decent job on 160 through 20 meters. I put up an inverted L supported in trees because it fit he backyard layout. It is 5/16 long with a 50-55 foot vertical component. I have 30 radials 70 feet long and 4 130 foot radials because

Topband: Low band antenna project questions

2016-03-07 Thread NC3Z Gary
OK, still working on my permanent low band antenna and what I can fit for an effective antenna. The space I have is a recently cleared forest area. I had originally considered a full size loop but the best I could do is 50' high, although that would be a bit higher than my temporary dipole it