Re: Topband: Modeling Transmit Antenna Affect on Rx Antenna Performance?

2016-09-30 Thread JC
Your feedline is about 350 feet. That is (with RG213 -velocity 0,66-) close to 1 wavelength. With 1 wavelength feedline, the TX antenna is floating when the feedline is open in the shack. Just wrong once more. !! _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband

Re: Topband: Modeling Transmit Antenna Affect on Rx Antenna Performance?

2016-09-30 Thread JC
Your feedline is about 350 feet. That is (with RG213 -velocity 0,66-) close to 1 wavelength. With 1 wavelength feedline, the TX antenna is floating when the feedline is open in the shack. I'm sorry to say that , but the concept is wrong, the TX antenna resonance as structure has nothing to do

Re: Topband: Modeling Transmit Antenna Affect on Rx Antenna Performance?

2016-09-30 Thread Kees Nijdam
Paul, Your feedline is about 350 feet. That is (with RG213 -velocity 0,66-) close to 1 wavelength. With 1 wavelength feedline, the TX antenna is floating when the feedline is open in the shack. Depending on your transceiver configuration (if the TX antenna is completely decoupled when using

Re: Topband: Orientation of a 160 meter receive loop?

2016-09-30 Thread wb6rse1
The main use of the coax loop or any loop for that matter is not gain but low noise directivity. Placing it on a small TV rotator allows for the nully of local noise to help improve the SNR for the desired signal. A preamp may not be necessary especially of it increases the desired signal and

Re: Topband: Modeling Transmit Antenna Affect on Rx Antenna Performance?

2016-09-30 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
Hi Paul, Modeling the effect of the feedline and the receiver terminating the feedline is tricky. Some are able to short or open the TX feedline in the shack due to a "favorable" length from the antenna to the shack. The brute force method is to install a vacuum relay at the feedpoint which

Re: Topband: Modeling Transmit Antenna Affect on Rx Antenna Performance?

2016-09-30 Thread Lee STRAHAN
Paul, I suggest you talk to Gary KD9SV as he built a Hi-Z around his TX antenna. Incidentally the ground radials under the Hi-Z is not a good idea. I suspect you would have to use NEC4 to see the real effect of the radials. I have not made a test myself to see how close radials could be.

Re: Topband: Modeling Transmit Antenna Affect on Rx Antenna Performance?

2016-09-30 Thread JC
My TX antenna is 60ft from my vertical WF and my horizontal WF is at the top of my TX antenna. I am using a Folded Unipole configuration, it is a skirt with 3 wires forming a cage. The skirt detune the tower during RX and help the TX with a huge broad band. In your case, just open the T

Topband: Modeling Transmit Antenna Affect on Rx Antenna Performance?

2016-09-30 Thread Paul Ferguson
For transmit I use a 160M T antenna with on ground radials. I am considering installing a Circle-8 receiving array such as one made by Hi-Z. The receive array would be very close to the T, maybe within 100 feet. I am using EZNEC to see how the transmit antenna proximity affects the pattern of

Re: Topband: Orientation of a 160 meter receive loop?

2016-09-30 Thread K4SAV
I goofed with those gain numbers. Forgot to do the average gain test in EZNEC. The program was making big errors due to too many segments. The real answer is that there is only 2.4 dB less gain for the horizontal loop. Jerry, K4SAV On 9/30/2016 9:50 AM, K4SAV wrote: A small loop mounted

Re: Topband: Orientation of a 160 meter receive loop?

2016-09-30 Thread K4SAV
A small loop mounted horizontally will be omnidirectional, mostly horizontally polarized and with a null overhead. An omnidirectional antenna isn't usually a very low noise receiving antenna. The gain will drop by a lot if the antenna is at low heights. A square loop 5 ft on a side placed

Topband: Orientation of a 160 meter receive loop?

2016-09-30 Thread James Rodenkirch
I have a 160 meter rcv loop - kc2tx product - I want to employ this season. I don't have a lot of band noise here in s/w Utah and don't want to bother with a rotor socan I mount the loop in a horizontal configuration and expect some improvement in rcv signal strength? I seem to recall Tom,