Re: Topband: FT-8 Contest would be great for Topband

[Wes]

I guess that I'm not among the many. I'm 78 and have been a ham for almost 62 of 
them.  I took up Satellite work at age 35, EME at 38, RTTY at 68 and I can't 
live without my SDR panadapter.


By coincidence I got a handful of QSLs from the bureau today.  One was from 
JH7OHS for a 432 EME JT65B QSO.  This is astounding; these digital modes are 
great.  I've made FT-8 QSOs when I wasn't even in the shack and now I have an 
EME QSO when I've never been on 432 in my life.


Wes  N7WS


On 1/10/2020 10:02 PM, Dave AA6YQ wrote:

+ AA6YQ comments below

It would seem that the new digital modes have re-invigorated ham radio, at 
least activity wise. But if ham radio is so fragile that it cannot sustain in 
the face of interest in a new mode, maybe it deserves to die. I personally 
don't think it will, it is and has always been a big tent...73, Kevin K3OX

+ If CW, AM, SSB, transistors, integrated circuits, VHF repeaters, packet 
clusters, CW decoders, soundcard RTTY applications, soundcard PSK applications, 
panoramic reception, and software-defined radios haven't managed to kill 
amateur radio, I doubt that FT4 or FT8 will succeed.

+ It's been my experience that many ops consider the technology they were using up 
through age 35 to be "standard". Any technology that appears after they reach 
that age will be considered a  mortal threat to amateur radio.

 73,

 Dave, AA6YQ

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Re: Topband: FT-8 Contest would be great for Topband

[W0MU Mike Fatchett]

I wonder what will happen when/if we get a good solar cycle again.   
People just want to use their gear.  If a mode allows it great.  Let 
them have fun.  No reason to think less of them for getting on the 
air.    Remember the good ole days when 10 meters was a blast open every 
where.


W0MU

On 1/10/2020 9:52 PM, kol...@rcn.com wrote:

It would seem that the new digital modes have re-invigorated ham radio, at 
least activity wise. But if ham radio is so fragile that it cannot sustain in 
the face of interest in a new mode, maybe it deserves to die. I personally 
don't think it will, it is and has always been a big tent...73, Kevin K3OX

- Original Message -
From: Hans Hjelmström 
To: W0MU Mike Fatchett 
Cc: topband@contesting.com
Sent: Fri, 10 Jan 2020 14:12:40 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Topband: FT-8 Contest would be great for Topband

And its even not Ham radio.Its fake PC Computer business.
Sorry.Its the end of Ham radio
Hans SM6CVX



10 jan 2020 kl. 20:06 skrev W0MU Mike Fatchett :

1.5 million hits for FT8? WOW!

On 1/10/2020 11:38 AM, Herbert Schoenbohm wrote:

I know the purists will flame me for this but look at the
frequency conservation this would present and look at the activity
statistics for only the past couple of hours,

AIf the contest was designed well sub-channels could be recommended for the
various continents as Stew Perry use to urge for intercontinental QSO's
from 1825-1830.

Here are the amazing stats for only two hours.

Modes over last 2 hours
Mode Count
FT8 1549146
FT4 41733
JS8 7895
CW 6894
PSK31 433
JT65 383
OPERA 132
JT9 65
MSK144 37
OLIVIA 22
OLIVIA 8 22
JT6M 18
ROS 14
DOMINO 13
PI4 12
OLIVIA-8 9
PSK63 9
FSK441 8
JT65B 7
WSPR 6
RTTY 5
MT63-500 1
SIM31 1
THOR 1
THOR22 1
PSK 1
CONTESTI 1

What do you think?


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Re: Topband: FT-8 Contest would be great for Topband

[Wes]

CW, it's just like FT-8 but for men.

N7WS

On 1/10/2020 10:03 PM, kol...@rcn.com wrote:

BTW, sign seen in a local traffic handlers shack back in the late '60's:"Everyone is 
welcome in my shack be you Ham Radio operator or Phone man."The more things 
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Re: Topband: FT-8 Contest would be great for Topband

[kolson]

BTW, sign seen in a local traffic handlers shack back in the late 
'60's:"Everyone is welcome in my shack be you Ham Radio operator or Phone 
man."The more things change...73 Kevin K3OX

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From: kol...@rcn.com
To: topband@contesting.com
Sent: Fri, 10 Jan 2020 23:52:07 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Topband: FT-8 Contest would be great for Topband

It would seem that the new digital modes have re-invigorated ham radio, at 
least activity wise. But if ham radio is so fragile that it cannot sustain in 
the face of interest in a new mode, maybe it deserves to die. I personally 
don't think it will, it is and has always been a big tent...73, Kevin K3OX

- Original Message -
From: Hans Hjelmström 
To: W0MU Mike Fatchett 
Cc: topband@contesting.com
Sent: Fri, 10 Jan 2020 14:12:40 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Topband: FT-8 Contest would be great for Topband

And its even not Ham radio.Its fake PC Computer business.
Sorry.Its the end of Ham radio
Hans SM6CVX


> 10 jan 2020 kl. 20:06 skrev W0MU Mike Fatchett :
> 
> 1.5 million hits for FT8? WOW!
> 
> On 1/10/2020 11:38 AM, Herbert Schoenbohm wrote:
>> I know the purists will flame me for this but look at the
>> frequency conservation this would present and look at the activity
>> statistics for only the past couple of hours,
>> 
>> AIf the contest was designed well sub-channels could be recommended for the
>> various continents as Stew Perry use to urge for intercontinental QSO's
>> from 1825-1830.
>> 
>> Here are the amazing stats for only two hours.
>> 
>> Modes over last 2 hours
>> Mode Count
>> FT8 1549146
>> FT4 41733
>> JS8 7895
>> CW 6894
>> PSK31 433
>> JT65 383
>> OPERA 132
>> JT9 65
>> MSK144 37
>> OLIVIA 22
>> OLIVIA 8 22
>> JT6M 18
>> ROS 14
>> DOMINO 13
>> PI4 12
>> OLIVIA-8 9
>> PSK63 9
>> FSK441 8
>> JT65B 7
>> WSPR 6
>> RTTY 5
>> MT63-500 1
>> SIM31 1
>> THOR 1
>> THOR22 1
>> PSK 1
>> CONTESTI 1
>> 
>> What do you think?
>> 
>> 
>> Herb, KV4FZ
>> 
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Re: Topband: FT-8 Contest would be great for Topband

[Dave AA6YQ]

+ AA6YQ comments below

It would seem that the new digital modes have re-invigorated ham radio, at 
least activity wise. But if ham radio is so fragile that it cannot sustain in 
the face of interest in a new mode, maybe it deserves to die. I personally 
don't think it will, it is and has always been a big tent...73, Kevin K3OX

+ If CW, AM, SSB, transistors, integrated circuits, VHF repeaters, packet 
clusters, CW decoders, soundcard RTTY applications, soundcard PSK applications, 
panoramic reception, and software-defined radios haven't managed to kill 
amateur radio, I doubt that FT4 or FT8 will succeed.

+ It's been my experience that many ops consider the technology they were using 
up through age 35 to be "standard". Any technology that appears after they 
reach that age will be considered a  mortal threat to amateur radio.

73,

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Re: Topband: FT-8 Contest would be great for Topband

[kolson]

It would seem that the new digital modes have re-invigorated ham radio, at 
least activity wise. But if ham radio is so fragile that it cannot sustain in 
the face of interest in a new mode, maybe it deserves to die. I personally 
don't think it will, it is and has always been a big tent...73, Kevin K3OX

- Original Message -
From: Hans Hjelmström 
To: W0MU Mike Fatchett 
Cc: topband@contesting.com
Sent: Fri, 10 Jan 2020 14:12:40 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Topband: FT-8 Contest would be great for Topband

And its even not Ham radio.Its fake PC Computer business.
Sorry.Its the end of Ham radio
Hans SM6CVX


> 10 jan 2020 kl. 20:06 skrev W0MU Mike Fatchett :
> 
> 1.5 million hits for FT8? WOW!
> 
> On 1/10/2020 11:38 AM, Herbert Schoenbohm wrote:
>> I know the purists will flame me for this but look at the
>> frequency conservation this would present and look at the activity
>> statistics for only the past couple of hours,
>> 
>> AIf the contest was designed well sub-channels could be recommended for the
>> various continents as Stew Perry use to urge for intercontinental QSO's
>> from 1825-1830.
>> 
>> Here are the amazing stats for only two hours.
>> 
>> Modes over last 2 hours
>> Mode Count
>> FT8 1549146
>> FT4 41733
>> JS8 7895
>> CW 6894
>> PSK31 433
>> JT65 383
>> OPERA 132
>> JT9 65
>> MSK144 37
>> OLIVIA 22
>> OLIVIA 8 22
>> JT6M 18
>> ROS 14
>> DOMINO 13
>> PI4 12
>> OLIVIA-8 9
>> PSK63 9
>> FSK441 8
>> JT65B 7
>> WSPR 6
>> RTTY 5
>> MT63-500 1
>> SIM31 1
>> THOR 1
>> THOR22 1
>> PSK 1
>> CONTESTI 1
>> 
>> What do you think?
>> 
>> 
>> Herb, KV4FZ
>> 
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Re: Topband: FT-8 Contest would be great for Topband

[Brian Moran via Topband]

 "Stew Perry Next Generation"  or "Ess Pee En Gee" Something for everyone to 
like and not like in that title.-Brian N9ADG

On Friday, January 10, 2020, 6:23:12 PM PST, W0MU Mike Fatchett 
 wrote:  
 
 FT4 is not allocated on 160 for some reason.  If the contest were to use 
Grids then supporting a new contest should be quite simple.

W0MU

On 1/10/2020 7:11 PM, DXer wrote:
> >>I thought  there  was a contest  version  of  FT-8  coming
> out  soon ?   I  forget  what  it  was to  be  labeled  as.
>
> The current version of WSJT-X supports the following contests:
>
> NA VHF Contest;
> EU VHF Contest;
> ARRL Field Day, technically not a contest;
> RTTY Roundup.
>
> To activate contesting 'mode', click on File -> Settings -> Advance 
> tab -> Check the Special operating activity box -> select the contest.
>
> I'll let others with more FT8 contesting experience 'chime in', but 
> the easist way to implement the Topband FT8 Contest would be to use 
> the same exchange as the RU. Anything different than what is currently 
> supported would require programming additions to the WSJT-X code.
>
> JTDX does not support contests. MSHV may not support them either, but 
> I'm not sure.
>
> I won't mention WSJT-Z for obvious reasons. LOL
>
> 73 de Vince, VA3VF
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Re: Topband: FT-8 Contest would be great for Topband

[Wes]

FT-8 and RTTY while both using radios hooked to computers, (unless you use a 
Model 28) are significantly different in practice.


I'm not an RTTY fanatic but I do have 255 countries confirmed and a DXCC 
certificate that says "RTTY" on it.  I won't repeat how FT-8 is used but will 
point out that when I operate RTTY, I tune the band looking for signals, I 
determine the RX/TX frequency (frequencies if split), I determine when to call 
and I determine what to send.  Sounds like ham radio to me.


Wes  N7WS

On 1/10/2020 1:30 PM, W0MU Mike Fatchett wrote:
Curious. If it is not Ham Radio then why is my K3 transmitting and receiving 
the signals? Hmmm.  I guess RTTY is not ham radio either.


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Re: Topband: FT-8 Contest would be great for Topband

[W0MU Mike Fatchett]

FT4 is not allocated on 160 for some reason.  If the contest were to use 
Grids then supporting a new contest should be quite simple.


W0MU

On 1/10/2020 7:11 PM, DXer wrote:

>>I thought  there  was a contest  version  of  FT-8  coming
out  soon ?   I  forget  what  it  was to  be  labeled  as.

The current version of WSJT-X supports the following contests:

NA VHF Contest;
EU VHF Contest;
ARRL Field Day, technically not a contest;
RTTY Roundup.

To activate contesting 'mode', click on File -> Settings -> Advance 
tab -> Check the Special operating activity box -> select the contest.


I'll let others with more FT8 contesting experience 'chime in', but 
the easist way to implement the Topband FT8 Contest would be to use 
the same exchange as the RU. Anything different than what is currently 
supported would require programming additions to the WSJT-X code.


JTDX does not support contests. MSHV may not support them either, but 
I'm not sure.


I won't mention WSJT-Z for obvious reasons. LOL

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[DXer]

>>I  thought  there  was a contest  version  of  FT-8  coming
out  soon ?   I  forget  what  it  was to  be  labeled  as.

The current version of WSJT-X supports the following contests:

NA VHF Contest;
EU VHF Contest;
ARRL Field Day, technically not a contest;
RTTY Roundup.

To activate contesting 'mode', click on File -> Settings -> Advance tab 
-> Check the Special operating activity box -> select the contest.


I'll let others with more FT8 contesting experience 'chime in', but the 
easist way to implement the Topband FT8 Contest would be to use the same 
exchange as the RU. Anything different than what is currently supported 
would require programming additions to the WSJT-X code.


JTDX does not support contests. MSHV may not support them either, but 
I'm not sure.


I won't mention WSJT-Z for obvious reasons. LOL

73 de Vince, VA3VF
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[Jim Thomson]

Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2020 14:38:03 -0400
From: Herbert Schoenbohm 
To: TopBand List ,
topband-ow...@contesting.com
Subject: Topband: FT-8 Contest would be great for Topband

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Re: Topband: FT-8 Contest would be great for Topband

[Herbert Schoenbohm]

I just joined Mike.  Thanks

Herb, KV4FZ

On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 8:21 PM Mike Waters  wrote:

> The brand new https://groups.io/g/160Digital group should be good for
> that, Herb. Have you joined yet?
>
> 73, Mike
> W0BTU
>
> On Fri, Jan 10, 2020, 6:04 PM Herbert Schoenbohm <
> herbert.schoenb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I think the huge FT-8 community would come up with something quickly.
>> The potential for a very popular contest is big.   Maybe a website would
>> eventually be established to aid in the process such as FT-8 160 meter
>> contesting replete with a checklist of possible preferences,
>>
>> Let us just do it!
>>
>> Herb, KV4FZ
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 3:34 PM Mike Waters  wrote:
>>
>>> Why not? I think that an FT8 contest would be a good experiment, at
>>> least.
>>>
>>> It needs a sponsor(s) and some tentative rules. Any suggestions?
>>>
>>
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[Mike Waters]

Hi Vince,

Not on my watch! :-)
Rest assured, one of us moderators there will take appropriate action
against any such nonsense.

First-time posts there first have to be approved by a moderator. And I
think that I saw a Ban button. ;-)

There is a new section there 'What requirements for a good 160m station',
or something to that effect. Of course, the Topband Archives already have a
wealth of great information on that subject.

73, Mike
W0BTU
https://groups.io/g/160Digital

On Fri, Jan 10, 2020, 5:15 PM DXer  wrote:

> It's unfortunate that it has come to this, but I commend your initiative.
>
> That said, you can bet money that some of the same critics will join the
> new list to stir the pot there as well.
>
> 73 de Vince, VA3VF
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Re: Topband: FT-8 Contest would be great for Topband.

[donroden]

Lets just do it over the internet and say we did.
Don W4DNR


Quoting DXer :


1) you need a modern(relatively new)station


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[Martin Kratoska]

Quite few happy experimenters, lots of disgusted DXers.

73,
Martin, OK1RR
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[DXer]

>>1) you need a modern(relatively new)station

How modern? Until getting an IC-7300 I used an IC-718. Before getting a 
Signalink USB interface to go with it, I used dubbing cables between the 
radio and the computer. Took some 'skill' not to TX garbage with that setup.


Don't tell me now that FT8 must be compatible with a coherer detector to 
be an 'accepted' mode.


Technological change is inevitable, to use the fact that a 20/30/40 year 
old radio is not 'fit for use' with the new mode, somehow blemishes the 
mode, is ridiculous.


>>6) you like to be bored by doing ham radio

No comment...except that it looks like you have not explored all that 
people do in hamradio. The stuff I don't like, I don't get involved, 
including crashing discussions on topics I don't care.


I won't enumerate the stuff I think it's boring in the hobby, because it 
surely is fun to the 'practioners' of those activities.


73 de Vince, VA3VF
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[Mike Waters]

The brand new https://groups.io/g/160Digital group should be good for that,
Herb. Have you joined yet?

73, Mike
W0BTU

On Fri, Jan 10, 2020, 6:04 PM Herbert Schoenbohm <
herbert.schoenb...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I think the huge FT-8 community would come up with something quickly.  The
> potential for a very popular contest is big.   Maybe a website would
> eventually be established to aid in the process such as FT-8 160 meter
> contesting replete with a checklist of possible preferences,
>
> Let us just do it!
>
> Herb, KV4FZ
>
> On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 3:34 PM Mike Waters  wrote:
>
>> Why not? I think that an FT8 contest would be a good experiment, at least.
>>
>> It needs a sponsor(s) and some tentative rules. Any suggestions?
>>
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Re: Topband: FT-8 Contest would be great for Topband

[Herbert Schoenbohm]

I think the huge FT-8 community would come up with something quickly.  The
potential for a very popular contest is big.   Maybe a website would
eventually be established to aid in the process such as FT-8 160 meter
contesting replete with a checklist of possible preferences,

Let us just do it!

Herb, KV4FZ

On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 3:34 PM Mike Waters  wrote:

> Why not? I think that an FT8 contest would be a good experiment, at least.
>
> It needs a sponsor(s) and some tentative rules. Any suggestions?
>
> 73, Mike
> W0BTU
>
> On Fri, Jan 10, 2020, 12:38 PM Herbert Schoenbohm <
> herbert.schoenb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I know the purists will flame me for this but look at the frequency
>> conservation this would present and look at the activity statistics for
>> only the past couple of hours,
>>
>> AIf the contest was designed well sub-channels could be recommended for
>> the various continents as Stew Perry use to urge for intercontinental QSO's
>> from 1825-1830.
>>
>> Here are the amazing stats for only two hours.
>>
>> Modes over last 2 hours
>> Mode Count
>> FT8 1549146
>> FT4 41733
>> JS8 7895
>> CW 6894
>> [Snip]
>
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[dj7ww]

1) you need a modern(relatively new)station

6) you like to be bored by doing ham radio

73
Peter

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From: Topband [mailto:topband-bounces+dj7ww=t-online...@contesting.com] On
Behalf Of DXer
Sent: Samstag, 11. Januar 2020 00:12
To: topband@contesting.com
Subject: Topband: FT-8 Contest would be great for Topband.

The FT8 comet is back:

1) It's still legal;
2) It's still not mandatory to use it;
3) It only 'wastes' up to 3kHz on each band;
4) Lots of people are having fun with it.
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[DXer]

It's unfortunate that it has come to this, but I commend your initiative.

That said, you can bet money that some of the same critics will join the 
new list to stir the pot there as well.


73 de Vince, VA3VF
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[DXer]

The FT8 comet is back:

1) It's still legal;
2) It's still not mandatory to use it;
3) It only 'wastes' up to 3kHz on each band;
4) Lots of people are having fun with it.
.
.
.

I can think of so many of Yoga Bera's sayings to reply to the negative 
reactions.


As for an FT8 contest, they are there already. I thought about it, I 
tried it a couple of times, and went back to normal and F FT8.


I still think that a mode that relies on time sync is not a good fit for 
contests. For that, RTTY is still king.


73 de Vince, VA3VF


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Re: Topband: FT-8 Contest would be great for Topband

[Glenn Wyant]

Hans,

Do you ever get away from presenting all of us
with your " negative ham radio " comments in
regards to FT8 ?

I dont think I have ever seen any comments from
yourself that were actually promoting the hobby.

Glenn VA3DX

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To: "W0MU Mike Fatchett" 
Cc: 
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2020 2:12 PM
Subject: Re: Topband: FT-8 Contest would be great for Topband



And its even not Ham  radio.Its fake PC Computer business.
Sorry.Its the end of Ham radio
Hans SM6CVX



10 jan 2020 kl. 20:06 skrev W0MU Mike Fatchett :

1.5 million hits for FT8? WOW!

On 1/10/2020 11:38 AM, Herbert Schoenbohm wrote:

I know the purists will flame me for this but look at the
frequency conservation this would present and look at the activity
statistics for only the past couple of hours,

AIf the contest was designed well sub-channels could be recommended for 
the

various continents as Stew Perry use to urge for intercontinental QSO's
from 1825-1830.

Here are the amazing stats for only two hours.

Modes over last 2 hours
Mode Count
FT8 1549146
FT4 41733
JS8 7895
CW 6894
PSK31 433
JT65 383
OPERA 132
JT9 65
MSK144 37
OLIVIA 22
OLIVIA 8 22
JT6M 18
ROS 14
DOMINO 13
PI4 12
OLIVIA-8 9
PSK63 9
FSK441 8
JT65B 7
WSPR 6
RTTY 5
MT63-500 1
SIM31 1
THOR 1
THOR22 1
PSK 1
CONTESTI 1

What do you think?


Herb, KV4FZ




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Re: Topband: FT-8 Contest would be great for Topband

[Cecil]

Don’t let him discourage you Herb,  I think an FT8 contest would be fun.

We can discuss it further but won’t do it here…

Cecil
K5DL

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From: Steef PA2A
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2020 4:10 PM
To: topband@contesting.com; herbert.schoenb...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Topband: FT-8 Contest would be great for Topband

Herb,

the stupid FT8 mode should be ignored by hams owning more than 2 
braincells.

73s Steef PA2A

I know the purists will flame me for this but look at the
frequency conservation this would present and look at the activity
statistics for only the past couple of hours,

AIf the contest was designed well sub-channels could be recommended for 
the
various continents as Stew Perry use to urge for intercontinental QSO's
from 1825-1830.

Here are the amazing stats for only two hours.

Modes over last 2 hours
Mode Count
FT8 1549146
FT4 41733
JS8 7895
CW 6894
PSK31 433
JT65 383
OPERA 132
JT9 65
MSK144 37
OLIVIA 22
OLIVIA 8 22
JT6M 18
ROS 14
DOMINO 13
PI4 12
OLIVIA-8 9
PSK63 9
FSK441 8
JT65B 7
WSPR 6
RTTY 5
MT63-500 1
SIM31 1
THOR 1
THOR22 1
PSK 1
CONTESTI 1

What do you think?

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Re: Topband: FT-8 Contest would be great for Topband

[Steef PA2A]

Herb,

the stupid FT8 mode should be ignored by hams owning more than 2 
braincells.


73s Steef PA2A

I know the purists will flame me for this but look at the
frequency conservation this would present and look at the activity
statistics for only the past couple of hours,

AIf the contest was designed well sub-channels could be recommended for 
the

various continents as Stew Perry use to urge for intercontinental QSO's
from 1825-1830.

Here are the amazing stats for only two hours.

Modes over last 2 hours
Mode Count
FT8 1549146
FT4 41733
JS8 7895
CW 6894
PSK31 433
JT65 383
OPERA 132
JT9 65
MSK144 37
OLIVIA 22
OLIVIA 8 22
JT6M 18
ROS 14
DOMINO 13
PI4 12
OLIVIA-8 9
PSK63 9
FSK441 8
JT65B 7
WSPR 6
RTTY 5
MT63-500 1
SIM31 1
THOR 1
THOR22 1
PSK 1
CONTESTI 1

What do you think?

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Topband: New Group for Topband Digital

[W0MU Mike Fatchett]

In the interest of keeping the peace here on this reflector a new group 
has been created for those interested in Topband Digital.  N6TR the long 
time owner/moderator has given his blessing on the new group.


If you are interested in Topband and Digital come join the group at 
160digi...@groups.io.  The emphasis will be on the digital modes but all 
topics are welcome.


W0MU
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Topband: Fwd: Top Band Single Sideband Net

[Anthony Scandurra via Topband]

Forwarding with permission from K3SSS.

Please reply directly to Peter.

73, Tony K4QE

Begin forwarded message:

> Cleaning out an old box, and underneath the Canal Zone and Ivory Coast QSLs, 
> I found a typed paper membership roster of the Top Band Single Sideband Net, 
> dated Nov 9, 1977.
> 
> 630 members with calls are listed. 
> 
> Is anyone interested in a copy, or in the actual typed (last page 
> handwritten) document?  Or is there some museum of crumbling paper who might 
> want this ?
> 
> Let me know, otherwise I'll pitch it.
> 
> -peter
> K3SSS
> 908-770-8884

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Re: Topband: FT-8 Contest would be great for Topband

[Cecil]

Stealth derogatory expressions…that’s a new approach.  

Cecil
K5DL  

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From: Jean-Paul Albert via Topband
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2020 3:42 PM
To: W0MU Mike Fatchett
Cc: topband@contesting.com
Subject: Re: Topband: FT-8 Contest would be great for Topband

Humm, it should be fun...
You can be in the contest and same time behind barbecue...
Are remote stations allowed ?

73´s 

Jean-Paul 


F6FYA en direct depuis son iPad. 

> Le 10 janv. 2020 à 21:40, W0MU Mike Fatchett  a écrit :
> 
> The FT8 DMC   Digital Mode Club on Facebook has nearly 10,000 members.
> 
>> On 1/10/2020 1:30 PM, W0MU Mike Fatchett wrote:
>> Curious. If it is not Ham Radio then why is my K3 transmitting and receiving 
>> the signals? Hmmm.  I guess RTTY is not ham radio either.
>> 
>>> On 1/10/2020 12:12 PM, Hans Hjelmström wrote:
>>> And its even not Ham  radio.Its fake PC Computer business.
>>> Sorry.Its the end of Ham radio
>>> Hans SM6CVX
>>> 
>>> 
 10 jan 2020 kl. 20:06 skrev W0MU Mike Fatchett :
 
 1.5 million hits for FT8? WOW!
 
 On 1/10/2020 11:38 AM, Herbert Schoenbohm wrote:
> I know the purists will flame me for this but look at the
> frequency conservation this would present and look at the activity
> statistics for only the past couple of hours,
> 
> AIf the contest was designed well sub-channels could be recommended for 
> the
> various continents as Stew Perry use to urge for intercontinental QSO's
> from 1825-1830.
> 
> Here are the amazing stats for only two hours.
> 
> Modes over last 2 hours
> Mode Count
> FT8 1549146
> FT4 41733
> JS8 7895
> CW 6894
> PSK31 433
> JT65 383
> OPERA 132
> JT9 65
> MSK144 37
> OLIVIA 22
> OLIVIA 8 22
> JT6M 18
> ROS 14
> DOMINO 13
> PI4 12
> OLIVIA-8 9
> PSK63 9
> FSK441 8
> JT65B 7
> WSPR 6
> RTTY 5
> MT63-500 1
> SIM31 1
> THOR 1
> THOR22 1
> PSK 1
> CONTESTI 1
> 
> What do you think?
> 
> 
> Herb, KV4FZ
> 
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Re: Topband: de n7dd

[Guy Olinger K2AV]

Issues of a fixed capacitor as seen in this thread have been a similar
problem for a network two-banding an 160m Inv L over FCP.

k2av.com has a section on this problem how to do 500 with three 170 pf
barrel style HEC caps. The section also has links to HEC reference material
on how to derate those capacitors, also links to a number of suppliers.
Click on green index button "160+80 on One L/FCP".  Do a find on "80M
Capacitor".

The calculations in the k2av.com text are at 3.5 MHz. The reference
material will need to be exercised for 1.8 MHz.

The HEC 170's seem fairly plentiful with better prices than other cap
values.

73, Guy K2AV

On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 2:22 PM Mike Waters  wrote:

> An air variable is exactly what I was thinking, Dave.
>
> My 160m inverted-L tuner uses just two air variables. I padded the HV
> variable with a small 100 pf N1500 (or two) doorknob with no problem.
>
> I use those same doorknobs as padders in my HB legal-limit amplifier, but
> they do cause the tuning to drift. :-(
>
> I have also seen fixed-value HV vacuum capacitors at hamfests.
>
> 73 Mike
> W0BTU
>
> On Thu, Jan 9, 2020, 3:15 PM David Olean  wrote:
>
> >
> >  ... What about an air variable in a wx proof box?
> >
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Re: Topband: FT-8 Contest would be great for Topband

[Jean-Paul Albert via Topband]

Humm, it should be fun...
You can be in the contest and same time behind barbecue...
Are remote stations allowed ?

73´s 

Jean-Paul 


F6FYA en direct depuis son iPad. 

> Le 10 janv. 2020 à 21:40, W0MU Mike Fatchett  a écrit :
> 
> The FT8 DMC   Digital Mode Club on Facebook has nearly 10,000 members.
> 
>> On 1/10/2020 1:30 PM, W0MU Mike Fatchett wrote:
>> Curious. If it is not Ham Radio then why is my K3 transmitting and receiving 
>> the signals? Hmmm.  I guess RTTY is not ham radio either.
>> 
>>> On 1/10/2020 12:12 PM, Hans Hjelmström wrote:
>>> And its even not Ham  radio.Its fake PC Computer business.
>>> Sorry.Its the end of Ham radio
>>> Hans SM6CVX
>>> 
>>> 
 10 jan 2020 kl. 20:06 skrev W0MU Mike Fatchett :
 
 1.5 million hits for FT8? WOW!
 
 On 1/10/2020 11:38 AM, Herbert Schoenbohm wrote:
> I know the purists will flame me for this but look at the
> frequency conservation this would present and look at the activity
> statistics for only the past couple of hours,
> 
> AIf the contest was designed well sub-channels could be recommended for 
> the
> various continents as Stew Perry use to urge for intercontinental QSO's
> from 1825-1830.
> 
> Here are the amazing stats for only two hours.
> 
> Modes over last 2 hours
> Mode Count
> FT8 1549146
> FT4 41733
> JS8 7895
> CW 6894
> PSK31 433
> JT65 383
> OPERA 132
> JT9 65
> MSK144 37
> OLIVIA 22
> OLIVIA 8 22
> JT6M 18
> ROS 14
> DOMINO 13
> PI4 12
> OLIVIA-8 9
> PSK63 9
> FSK441 8
> JT65B 7
> WSPR 6
> RTTY 5
> MT63-500 1
> SIM31 1
> THOR 1
> THOR22 1
> PSK 1
> CONTESTI 1
> 
> What do you think?
> 
> 
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Re: Topband: FT-8 Contest would be great for Topband

[Wes]

Michael publishes a Club Log Summary of DX Activity each week.

If you look at the Most Active Modes, you will take away that FT8 is the 
predominate mode.  That said, if you drill down and look at the statistics for 
DXpeditions, you can see many where CW still prevails.by a significant 
margin.    Even this doesn't tell the whole story as some DXpeditions don't even 
have any CW ops anymore; TK1KJ for example.  Does this prove the superiority of 
FT8?  I don't think so.


I have a friend, a superb op and fellow member of a very active DX club, who has 
been on many many major DXpeditions.  He has now bought into using FT8 on 
expeditions.  As he told me, "I don't have to listen to it, I can do other 
things."  Ham radio?  Not to my way of thinking.


Wes  N7WS

  On 1/10/2020 12:15 PM, Michael Walker wrote:

Yes, the success is staggering.

There are graphs that show the FT8 usage and I would paste it into the body
of the email, but I can't.  Clublog published it somewhere.   It shows a
deep decline on CW and a minor decline on SSB and this was 2 years ago.
https://ei7gl.blogspot.com/2019/03/club-log-stats-show-rise-of-ft8-mode-in.html

Geral K5SDR summed it up well here:
https://www.flexradio.com/ft8-tipping-point-for-ham-radio/

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Re: Topband: FT-8 Contest would be great for Topband

[W0MU Mike Fatchett]

The FT8 DMC   Digital Mode Club on Facebook has nearly 10,000 members.

On 1/10/2020 1:30 PM, W0MU Mike Fatchett wrote:
Curious. If it is not Ham Radio then why is my K3 transmitting and 
receiving the signals? Hmmm.  I guess RTTY is not ham radio either.


On 1/10/2020 12:12 PM, Hans Hjelmström wrote:

And its even not Ham  radio.Its fake PC Computer business.
Sorry.Its the end of Ham radio
Hans SM6CVX



10 jan 2020 kl. 20:06 skrev W0MU Mike Fatchett :

1.5 million hits for FT8? WOW!

On 1/10/2020 11:38 AM, Herbert Schoenbohm wrote:

I know the purists will flame me for this but look at the
frequency conservation this would present and look at the activity
statistics for only the past couple of hours,

AIf the contest was designed well sub-channels could be recommended 
for the
various continents as Stew Perry use to urge for intercontinental 
QSO's

from 1825-1830.

Here are the amazing stats for only two hours.

Modes over last 2 hours
Mode Count
FT8 1549146
FT4 41733
JS8 7895
CW 6894
PSK31 433
JT65 383
OPERA 132
JT9 65
MSK144 37
OLIVIA 22
OLIVIA 8 22
JT6M 18
ROS 14
DOMINO 13
PI4 12
OLIVIA-8 9
PSK63 9
FSK441 8
JT65B 7
WSPR 6
RTTY 5
MT63-500 1
SIM31 1
THOR 1
THOR22 1
PSK 1
CONTESTI 1

What do you think?


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Re: Topband: FT-8 Contest would be great for Topband

[W0MU Mike Fatchett]

Curious.  If it is not Ham Radio then why is my K3 transmitting and 
receiving the signals? Hmmm.  I guess RTTY is not ham radio either.


On 1/10/2020 12:12 PM, Hans Hjelmström wrote:

And its even not Ham  radio.Its fake PC Computer business.
Sorry.Its the end of Ham radio
Hans SM6CVX



10 jan 2020 kl. 20:06 skrev W0MU Mike Fatchett :

1.5 million hits for FT8? WOW!

On 1/10/2020 11:38 AM, Herbert Schoenbohm wrote:

I know the purists will flame me for this but look at the
frequency conservation this would present and look at the activity
statistics for only the past couple of hours,

AIf the contest was designed well sub-channels could be recommended for the
various continents as Stew Perry use to urge for intercontinental QSO's
from 1825-1830.

Here are the amazing stats for only two hours.

Modes over last 2 hours
Mode Count
FT8 1549146
FT4 41733
JS8 7895
CW 6894
PSK31 433
JT65 383
OPERA 132
JT9 65
MSK144 37
OLIVIA 22
OLIVIA 8 22
JT6M 18
ROS 14
DOMINO 13
PI4 12
OLIVIA-8 9
PSK63 9
FSK441 8
JT65B 7
WSPR 6
RTTY 5
MT63-500 1
SIM31 1
THOR 1
THOR22 1
PSK 1
CONTESTI 1

What do you think?


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Re: Topband: FT-8 Contest would be great for Topband

[dj7ww]

No wonder, imagine how many robots are active on all bands in parallel per
station.


-Original Message-
From: Topband [mailto:topband-bounces+dj7ww=t-online...@contesting.com] On
Behalf Of W0MU Mike Fatchett

1.5 million hits for FT8? WOW!

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Re: Topband: FT-8 Contest would be great for Topband

[fortra]

Hi guys,

as a former radio officer and a ham for 51
years, i firmly belive, that hearing is beliving..

Not the other way around, seeing is beliving...
We, hams has last word, ear, eye on modes...

Nermin S58DX

-Izvorno sporočilo- 
From: Cecil

Sent: Friday, January 10, 2020 9:02 PM
To: Hans Hjelmström
Cc: Topband@contesting.com ; W0MU Mike Fatchett
Subject: Re: Topband: FT-8 Contest would be great for Topband

Some international diplomacy?

Save it!

K5DL

Sent from my iPad


On Jan 10, 2020, at 1:13 PM, Hans Hjelmström  wrote:

And its even not Ham  radio.Its fake PC Computer business.
Sorry.Its the end of Ham radio
Hans SM6CVX



10 jan 2020 kl. 20:06 skrev W0MU Mike Fatchett :

1.5 million hits for FT8? WOW!


On 1/10/2020 11:38 AM, Herbert Schoenbohm wrote:
I know the purists will flame me for this but look at the
frequency conservation this would present and look at the activity
statistics for only the past couple of hours,

AIf the contest was designed well sub-channels could be recommended for 
the

various continents as Stew Perry use to urge for intercontinental QSO's
from 1825-1830.

Here are the amazing stats for only two hours.

Modes over last 2 hours
Mode Count
FT8 1549146
FT4 41733
JS8 7895
CW 6894
PSK31 433
JT65 383
OPERA 132
JT9 65
MSK144 37
OLIVIA 22
OLIVIA 8 22
JT6M 18
ROS 14
DOMINO 13
PI4 12
OLIVIA-8 9
PSK63 9
FSK441 8
JT65B 7
WSPR 6
RTTY 5
MT63-500 1
SIM31 1
THOR 1
THOR22 1
PSK 1
CONTESTI 1

What do you think?


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Re: Topband: FT-8 Contest would be great for Topband

[Cecil]

Some international diplomacy? 

Save it!

K5DL

Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 10, 2020, at 1:13 PM, Hans Hjelmström  wrote:
> 
> And its even not Ham  radio.Its fake PC Computer business.
> Sorry.Its the end of Ham radio
> Hans SM6CVX
> 
> 
>> 10 jan 2020 kl. 20:06 skrev W0MU Mike Fatchett :
>> 
>> 1.5 million hits for FT8? WOW!
>> 
>>> On 1/10/2020 11:38 AM, Herbert Schoenbohm wrote:
>>> I know the purists will flame me for this but look at the
>>> frequency conservation this would present and look at the activity
>>> statistics for only the past couple of hours,
>>> 
>>> AIf the contest was designed well sub-channels could be recommended for the
>>> various continents as Stew Perry use to urge for intercontinental QSO's
>>> from 1825-1830.
>>> 
>>> Here are the amazing stats for only two hours.
>>> 
>>> Modes over last 2 hours
>>> Mode Count
>>> FT8 1549146
>>> FT4 41733
>>> JS8 7895
>>> CW 6894
>>> PSK31 433
>>> JT65 383
>>> OPERA 132
>>> JT9 65
>>> MSK144 37
>>> OLIVIA 22
>>> OLIVIA 8 22
>>> JT6M 18
>>> ROS 14
>>> DOMINO 13
>>> PI4 12
>>> OLIVIA-8 9
>>> PSK63 9
>>> FSK441 8
>>> JT65B 7
>>> WSPR 6
>>> RTTY 5
>>> MT63-500 1
>>> SIM31 1
>>> THOR 1
>>> THOR22 1
>>> PSK 1
>>> CONTESTI 1
>>> 
>>> What do you think?
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Topband: FT-8 Contest would be great for Topband

[Mike Waters]

Why not? I think that an FT8 contest would be a good experiment, at least.

It needs a sponsor(s) and some tentative rules. Any suggestions?

73, Mike
W0BTU

On Fri, Jan 10, 2020, 12:38 PM Herbert Schoenbohm <
herbert.schoenb...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I know the purists will flame me for this but look at the frequency
> conservation this would present and look at the activity statistics for
> only the past couple of hours,
>
> AIf the contest was designed well sub-channels could be recommended for
> the various continents as Stew Perry use to urge for intercontinental QSO's
> from 1825-1830.
>
> Here are the amazing stats for only two hours.
>
> Modes over last 2 hours
> Mode Count
> FT8 1549146
> FT4 41733
> JS8 7895
> CW 6894
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Re: Topband: FT-8 Contest would be great for Topband

[Mike Waters]

This, sir, is not helpful. Our moderator has explicitly stated that
negative comments about FT8 are not allowed.

Respectfully,
Mike W0BTU

On Fri, Jan 10, 2020, 1:12 PM Hans Hjelmström  wrote:

> And its even not Ham  radio.Its fake PC Computer business.
> Sorry.Its the end of Ham radio
> Hans SM6CVX
>
>
> > 10 jan 2020 kl. 20:06 skrev W0MU Mike Fatchett :
> >
> > 1.5 million hits for FT8? WOW!
> >
> > On 1/10/2020 11:38 AM, Herbert Schoenbohm wrote:
> >> I know the purists will flame me for this but look at the
> >> frequency conservation this would present and look at the activity
> >> statistics for only the past couple of hours,
> >>
> >> AIf the contest was designed well sub-channels could be recommended for
> the
> >> various continents as Stew Perry use to urge for intercontinental QSO's
> >> from 1825-1830.
> >>
> >> Here are the amazing stats for only two hours.
> >>
> >> Modes over last 2 hours
> >> Mode Count
> >> FT8 1549146
> >> FT4 41733
> >> JS8 7895
> >> CW 6894
> >> PSK31 433
> >> JT65 383
> >> OPERA 132
> >> JT9 65
> >> MSK144 37
> >> OLIVIA 22
> >> OLIVIA 8 22
> >> JT6M 18
> >> ROS 14
> >> DOMINO 13
> >> PI4 12
> >> OLIVIA-8 9
> >> PSK63 9
> >> FSK441 8
> >> JT65B 7
> >> WSPR 6
> >> RTTY 5
> >> MT63-500 1
> >> SIM31 1
> >> THOR 1
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Re: Topband: de n7dd

[Mike Waters]

An air variable is exactly what I was thinking, Dave.

My 160m inverted-L tuner uses just two air variables. I padded the HV
variable with a small 100 pf N1500 (or two) doorknob with no problem.

I use those same doorknobs as padders in my HB legal-limit amplifier, but
they do cause the tuning to drift. :-(

I have also seen fixed-value HV vacuum capacitors at hamfests.

73 Mike
W0BTU

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>  ... What about an air variable in a wx proof box?
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Re: Topband: FT-8 Contest would be great for Topband

[Michael Walker]

Yes, the success is staggering.

There are graphs that show the FT8 usage and I would paste it into the body
of the email, but I can't.  Clublog published it somewhere.   It shows a
deep decline on CW and a minor decline on SSB and this was 2 years ago.
https://ei7gl.blogspot.com/2019/03/club-log-stats-show-rise-of-ft8-mode-in.html

Geral K5SDR summed it up well here:
https://www.flexradio.com/ft8-tipping-point-for-ham-radio/

Mike va3mw


On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 2:06 PM W0MU Mike Fatchett  wrote:

> 1.5 million hits for FT8? WOW!
>
> On 1/10/2020 11:38 AM, Herbert Schoenbohm wrote:
> > I know the purists will flame me for this but look at the
> > frequency conservation this would present and look at the activity
> > statistics for only the past couple of hours,
> >
> > AIf the contest was designed well sub-channels could be recommended for
> the
> > various continents as Stew Perry use to urge for intercontinental QSO's
> > from 1825-1830.
> >
> > Here are the amazing stats for only two hours.
> >
> > Modes over last 2 hours
> > Mode Count
> > FT8 1549146
> > FT4 41733
> > JS8 7895
> > CW 6894
> > PSK31 433
> > JT65 383
> > OPERA 132
> > JT9 65
> > MSK144 37
> > OLIVIA 22
> > OLIVIA 8 22
> > JT6M 18
> > ROS 14
> > DOMINO 13
> > PI4 12
> > OLIVIA-8 9
> > PSK63 9
> > FSK441 8
> > JT65B 7
> > WSPR 6
> > RTTY 5
> > MT63-500 1
> > SIM31 1
> > THOR 1
> > THOR22 1
> > PSK 1
> > CONTESTI 1
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Re: Topband: FT-8 Contest would be great for Topband

[Hans Hjelmström]

And its even not Ham  radio.Its fake PC Computer business.
Sorry.Its the end of Ham radio
Hans SM6CVX


> 10 jan 2020 kl. 20:06 skrev W0MU Mike Fatchett :
> 
> 1.5 million hits for FT8? WOW!
> 
> On 1/10/2020 11:38 AM, Herbert Schoenbohm wrote:
>> I know the purists will flame me for this but look at the
>> frequency conservation this would present and look at the activity
>> statistics for only the past couple of hours,
>> 
>> AIf the contest was designed well sub-channels could be recommended for the
>> various continents as Stew Perry use to urge for intercontinental QSO's
>> from 1825-1830.
>> 
>> Here are the amazing stats for only two hours.
>> 
>> Modes over last 2 hours
>> Mode Count
>> FT8 1549146
>> FT4 41733
>> JS8 7895
>> CW 6894
>> PSK31 433
>> JT65 383
>> OPERA 132
>> JT9 65
>> MSK144 37
>> OLIVIA 22
>> OLIVIA 8 22
>> JT6M 18
>> ROS 14
>> DOMINO 13
>> PI4 12
>> OLIVIA-8 9
>> PSK63 9
>> FSK441 8
>> JT65B 7
>> WSPR 6
>> RTTY 5
>> MT63-500 1
>> SIM31 1
>> THOR 1
>> THOR22 1
>> PSK 1
>> CONTESTI 1
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Re: Topband: FT-8 Contest would be great for Topband

[W0MU Mike Fatchett]

1.5 million hits for FT8? WOW!

On 1/10/2020 11:38 AM, Herbert Schoenbohm wrote:

I know the purists will flame me for this but look at the
frequency conservation this would present and look at the activity
statistics for only the past couple of hours,

AIf the contest was designed well sub-channels could be recommended for the
various continents as Stew Perry use to urge for intercontinental QSO's
from 1825-1830.

Here are the amazing stats for only two hours.

Modes over last 2 hours
Mode Count
FT8 1549146
FT4 41733
JS8 7895
CW 6894
PSK31 433
JT65 383
OPERA 132
JT9 65
MSK144 37
OLIVIA 22
OLIVIA 8 22
JT6M 18
ROS 14
DOMINO 13
PI4 12
OLIVIA-8 9
PSK63 9
FSK441 8
JT65B 7
WSPR 6
RTTY 5
MT63-500 1
SIM31 1
THOR 1
THOR22 1
PSK 1
CONTESTI 1

What do you think?


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Topband: FT-8 Contest would be great for Topband

[Herbert Schoenbohm]

I know the purists will flame me for this but look at the
frequency conservation this would present and look at the activity
statistics for only the past couple of hours,

AIf the contest was designed well sub-channels could be recommended for the
various continents as Stew Perry use to urge for intercontinental QSO's
from 1825-1830.

Here are the amazing stats for only two hours.

Modes over last 2 hours
Mode Count
FT8 1549146
FT4 41733
JS8 7895
CW 6894
PSK31 433
JT65 383
OPERA 132
JT9 65
MSK144 37
OLIVIA 22
OLIVIA 8 22
JT6M 18
ROS 14
DOMINO 13
PI4 12
OLIVIA-8 9
PSK63 9
FSK441 8
JT65B 7
WSPR 6
RTTY 5
MT63-500 1
SIM31 1
THOR 1
THOR22 1
PSK 1
CONTESTI 1

What do you think?


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Re: Topband: Musings on multiple 160m QSOs

[Victor Goncharsky via Topband]

I agree as well.
The problem for those chasing new ones is sometimes the fact that folks who 
already worked, confirmed the entity that was accepted by DXCC Desk are still 
calling and often stealing the chance from their fellow amateurs who need that 
DX.
Generally they have the strongest signals and just are competing in their 
Vanity Fair.
Another questionable idea is so called «DX Marathon» requiring to work the same 
entity every year, month, week etc.
As for me, one DX QSO confirmed by QSL card and/or in LoTW and accepted by DXCC 
Desk is enough.
We can work the same stations again and again in all kinds of topband contests 
giving the points and multipliers to those who need them.
Good DX and the Happy New Year 2020.
  
>Среда, 8 января 2020, 5:27 +03:00 от Wes :
> 
>I agree.  After over 60 years if ham radio I got on this band semi-seriously
>only a few years ago with the goal of working my 9th DXCC band.  With my modest
>station here in the depths of the AZ desert it is very difficult for me to work
>into EU or AF.  Especially true when I have to compete with stations on the 
>east
>coast or the mid-west who are telling the DX, "You're much stronger tonight 
>that
>last night."
>
>Consequently, trying to be a gentleman on the gentleman's band, I often refrain
>from calling the usual Asian or S. Pacific suspects that are relatively easy to
>work, in deference to others to my north and east. If only this was a two-way
>arrangement.
>
>If it's any consolation, I worked JT1CO for the first time only last week.  
>I've
>heard him many times but could never get through with my puny 500W.
>
>Wes  N7WS
>
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>On 1/7/2020 2:24 PM, Greg wrote:
>> No problem if you want to work G3YRO or any of the many other common
>> countries...but please don't get in a pile-up for a rare one that you have
>> already worked...like JT1CO. If no one is calling and you want to work him
>> again, no problem. There was an Italian station on the 160 chat this
>> morning who said he had worked JT1CO many times on 160 -- even with 100
>> watts. In contrast I've heard him twice in 10 years in Florida and then
>> only for a couple minutes. Still need it for the last zone on Topband.
>> Hopefully, 160 will still be known as the gentleman's band. 73, Greg-N4CC
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Topband < topband-bounces+n4cc=windstream@contesting.com > On 
>> Behalf
>> Of Roger Kennedy
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 10:57 AM
>> To:  topband@contesting.com
>> Subject: Topband: Musings on multiple 160m QSOs
>>
>>
>> Well you know I have said this several times before Steve . . so thanks for
>> clarifying.
>>
>> Like you, EVERY DX contact is a thrill to me (even after 50 years on the
>> band), no matter how many times I may have worked that station before.
>>
>> I actually think that MOST 160m DX-ers agree. After all, it takes a LOT of
>> effort to put up a decent 160m antenna (for Tx AND Rx) . . . if you only
>> used that to work NEW stations, you might only come on the band a handful of
>> times each year !
>>
>> Hopefully people WON'T now be afraid to call and work stations they have
>> worked many times before on 160 !
>>
>> 73 Roger G3YRO
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