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so Jarda...are you not willing to scan the card and show us?? Jarda, since the DXC people returned the card, perhaps you can scan and post it so that all might see the "damaged' section? VE7SL Steve WEB - "The VE7SL Radio Notebook": http://qsl.net/ve7sl/ VE7SL BLOG - "Homebrewing and Operating Adventures From 2200m to Nanowaves": http://ve7sl.blogspot.ca/ _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
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Or remember YU7DX, who went on top of WPX Honor Roll with doctored cards some 35 (or so) years ago. 73 Mirko S57AD V V tor., 24. mar. 2020 ob 07:12 je oseba Glenn Wyant napisala: > Remember the Suitland dxpedition KJ9DX ? > We all worked it for a fake country and they qsl'd everyone through the > bureaus ! > > Glenn va3dx ve3icr > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Mar 24, 2020, at 00:59, John K9UWA > wrote: > > > > Or RG8U confirmed on 6 bands > > John k9uwa > > > > > >> On 23 Mar 2020 at 17:45, Mike Waters wrote: > >> > >> How about 5Y3GT? ;-) > > John Goller, K9UWA & Jean Goller, N9PXF > > Antique Radio Restorations > > k9...@arrl.net > > Visit our Web Site at: > > http://www.JohnJeanAntiqueRadio.com > > 4836 Ranch Road > > Leo, IN 46765 > > USA > > 1-260-637-6426 > > > > _ > > Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband > Reflector > _ > Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband > Reflector > -- Mirko S57AD _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
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Remember the Suitland dxpedition KJ9DX ? We all worked it for a fake country and they qsl'd everyone through the bureaus ! Glenn va3dx ve3icr Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 24, 2020, at 00:59, John K9UWA wrote: > > Or RG8U confirmed on 6 bands > John k9uwa > > >> On 23 Mar 2020 at 17:45, Mike Waters wrote: >> >> How about 5Y3GT? ;-) > John Goller, K9UWA & Jean Goller, N9PXF > Antique Radio Restorations > k9...@arrl.net > Visit our Web Site at: > http://www.JohnJeanAntiqueRadio.com > 4836 Ranch Road > Leo, IN 46765 > USA > 1-260-637-6426 > > _ > Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
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Or RG8U confirmed on 6 bands John k9uwa On 23 Mar 2020 at 17:45, Mike Waters wrote: > How about 5Y3GT? ;-) > John Goller, K9UWA & Jean Goller, N9PXF Antique Radio Restorations k9...@arrl.net Visit our Web Site at: http://www.JohnJeanAntiqueRadio.com 4836 Ranch Road Leo, IN 46765 USA 1-260-637-6426 _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
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oops... It was W2MF who vanished from 160 meter DXCC A few weeks ago he was #296 Apologies to Brian N2MF #255 73 Frank W3LPL - Original Message - From: donov...@starpower.net To: Topband@contesting.com Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2020 4:08:11 AM Subject: Re: Topband: DXCC Committe N2MF also vanished from the 160 meter DXCC listings... - Original Message - From: "Ken Claerbout" To: Topband@contesting.com Sent: Monday, March 23, 2020 9:43:45 PM Subject: Re: Topband: DXCC Committe I don't wish to drag this debate out any longer than necessary, but some credit is due the League and the DXCC desk. I was contacted some time back asking for a section of one of my DX logs. I gave them the whole thing. Check as many QSO's as you like. I have no idea if this had anything to do with the station being discussed, but he was not in my log. So it seems like concerns about cheating were heard, and they are probably doing as much as they can, with the resources available to them. 73 Ken K4ZW On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 3:43 PM Bill Tippett wrote: > > FYI: > > http://g3txf.com/dxtrip/Fake-C21XF/Fake-C21.html > _ > Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
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N2MF also vanished from the 160 meter DXCC listings... - Original Message - From: "Ken Claerbout" To: Topband@contesting.com Sent: Monday, March 23, 2020 9:43:45 PM Subject: Re: Topband: DXCC Committe I don't wish to drag this debate out any longer than necessary, but some credit is due the League and the DXCC desk. I was contacted some time back asking for a section of one of my DX logs. I gave them the whole thing. Check as many QSO's as you like. I have no idea if this had anything to do with the station being discussed, but he was not in my log. So it seems like concerns about cheating were heard, and they are probably doing as much as they can, with the resources available to them. 73 Ken K4ZW On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 3:43 PM Bill Tippett wrote: > > FYI: > > http://g3txf.com/dxtrip/Fake-C21XF/Fake-C21.html > _ > Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
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Jarda, since the DXC people returned the card, perhaps you can scan and post it so that all might see the "damaged' section? VE7SL Steve _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector WEB - "The VE7SL Radio Notebook": http://qsl.net/ve7sl/ VE7SL BLOG - "Homebrewing and Operating Adventures From 2200m to Nanowaves": http://ve7sl.blogspot.ca/ _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
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A source close to Romeo, Dimitri, a well known DXer of several rare entities told me quite with a commanding knowledge of the P5RS7 DXpedition “case” that the disqualification of that DXpedition was a “hatchet job” to protect several big time #1 honor roll members who didn’t know, or take the NEED to work P5 when it wasn’t on the DXCC list as an active country at the time. The disqualification was NOT for lack of proof of actually being there but instead infractions of rule 12 and 13 at the time. Unfortunately that was an “ end all” decision which is irreversible at any later date regardless of “ documentation” to its validity. Much like an umpire decision ( at the time) in a baseball game. Made it an “ open and shut” case. According to Dimitri the DXPEDITION took place “ in fact”. I recorded an interview with him where he explains the ” politics” of the case and names names. Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Monday, March 23, 2020, Mike Waters wrote: How about 5Y3GT? ;-) On Mon, Mar 23, 2020, 4:45 PM George Dubovsky wrote: > > This would give new meaning to the 'oldie' WFWL. I never heard of a > > "Slim" confirming a contact. > > > > Perhaps you never heard of P5RS7. I've got a card. > > > > _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
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How about 5Y3GT? ;-) On Mon, Mar 23, 2020, 4:45 PM George Dubovsky wrote: > > This would give new meaning to the 'oldie' WFWL. I never heard of a > > "Slim" confirming a contact. > > > > Perhaps you never heard of P5RS7. I've got a card. > > > > _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
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Wow! The guy should have been DQed ages ago. On 3/23/2020 1:43 PM, Bill Tippett wrote: FYI: http://g3txf.com/dxtrip/Fake-C21XF/Fake-C21.html _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
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On 2020-03-23 17:45, George Dubovsky wrote: Perhaps you never heard of P5RS7. I've got a card. Yes, I did. The term "Slim" has a different meaning then. To me, the "Slim" is the 'funny' guy that answers the deserving pretending to be the DX. In the case you describe, it was not a "Slim" in my book. There is no way the DXCC Desk would disqualify people for submitting those cards. By the way, those cards are legit, the contact took place with the alleged entity, but the entity turned out to be fake. 73 de Vince, VA3VF _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
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> This would give new meaning to the 'oldie' WFWL. I never heard of a > "Slim" confirming a contact. > > Perhaps you never heard of P5RS7. I've got a card. > 73, geo - n4ua > > _ > Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband > Reflector > _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
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I don't wish to drag this debate out any longer than necessary, but some credit is due the League and the DXCC desk. I was contacted some time back asking for a section of one of my DX logs. I gave them the whole thing. Check as many QSO's as you like. I have no idea if this had anything to do with the station being discussed, but he was not in my log. So it seems like concerns about cheating were heard, and they are probably doing as much as they can, with the resources available to them. 73 Ken K4ZW On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 3:43 PM Bill Tippett wrote: > > FYI: > > http://g3txf.com/dxtrip/Fake-C21XF/Fake-C21.html > _ > Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
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I don't "chase paper", so forgive me if this has already been addressed *IF*, before LoTW came on-line, a "Slim" sent a ham a confirmation card, and it was found to be bogus, would that disqualify the ham from any future admission to the DXCC or greater club ? Don W4DNR _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
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Bill Tippett mailto:btippett%40alum.mit.edu> > FYI: http://g3txf.com/dxtrip/Fake-C21XF/Fake-C21.html _ wow..just wow...no other words are needed. wow _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
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FYI: http://g3txf.com/dxtrip/Fake-C21XF/Fake-C21.html _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
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Wes You want to say that such a tricky way (presenting a fake card without an application) should go unpunished? --- Nick, UY0ZG http://www.topband.in.ua Wes писал 2020-03-23 19:35: Based upon the supplied communications, it's unclear to me whether there was an actual application made along with the submitted card or not. Jarda claims not, but based on the disqualification, if it followed its own rules, ARRL must have received one because... The DXCC AWARD APPLICATION form states, "Required With Each New Submission and Endorsements" If the "required" application/fees and affirmed signature weren't submitted, then he did not make an application and whether or not the card is bogus should not matter. So there should be one of two outcomes: 1) He submitted a signed application affirming that he followed all of the rules, but submitted a bogus card. His removal is justified. 2) He did not submit a signed application but only asked for an opinion about the card. He should be reinstated. Seems pretty simple to me. Wes N7WS On 3/23/2020 8:27 AM, K9FD wrote: Well let me be the 2nd then to comment, Its clear as friggin day, guy sent in a doctored card, pasted a printer label over the top of a QSO for another band, ARRL saw it in person and said "Fake" card, and disqualified him His gripe is he was just sending it to "test" them to check it out, didnt really mean to submit it, If they would have just passed it through and given credit, do you think he would have said one word. No translation needed, simple easy logic. Attitude or tone BS, Facts are facts. Merv K9FD _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
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Wes You want to say that such a tricky way (presenting a fake card without an application) should go unpunished? --- Nick, UY0ZG http://www.topband.in.ua Wes писал 2020-03-23 19:35: Based upon the supplied communications, it's unclear to me whether there was an actual application made along with the submitted card or not. Jarda claims not, but based on the disqualification, if it followed its own rules, ARRL must have received one because... The DXCC AWARD APPLICATION form states, "Required With Each New Submission and Endorsements" If the "required" application/fees and affirmed signature weren't submitted, then he did not make an application and whether or not the card is bogus should not matter. So there should be one of two outcomes: 1) He submitted a signed application affirming that he followed all of the rules, but submitted a bogus card. His removal is justified. 2) He did not submit a signed application but only asked for an opinion about the card. He should be reinstated. Seems pretty simple to me. Wes N7WS On 3/23/2020 8:27 AM, K9FD wrote: Well let me be the 2nd then to comment, Its clear as friggin day, guy sent in a doctored card, pasted a printer label over the top of a QSO for another band, ARRL saw it in person and said "Fake" card, and disqualified him His gripe is he was just sending it to "test" them to check it out, didnt really mean to submit it, If they would have just passed it through and given credit, do you think he would have said one word. No translation needed, simple easy logic. Attitude or tone BS, Facts are facts. Merv K9FD _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
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Based upon the supplied communications, it's unclear to me whether there was an actual application made along with the submitted card or not. Jarda claims not, but based on the disqualification, if it followed its own rules, ARRL must have received one because... The DXCC AWARD APPLICATION form states, "Required With Each New Submission and Endorsements" If the "required" application/fees and affirmed signature weren't submitted, then he did not make an application and whether or not the card is bogus should not matter. So there should be one of two outcomes: 1) He submitted a signed application affirming that he followed all of the rules, but submitted a bogus card. His removal is justified. 2) He did not submit a signed application but only asked for an opinion about the card. He should be reinstated. Seems pretty simple to me. Wes N7WS On 3/23/2020 8:27 AM, K9FD wrote: Well let me be the 2nd then to comment, Its clear as friggin day, guy sent in a doctored card, pasted a printer label over the top of a QSO for another band, ARRL saw it in person and said "Fake" card, and disqualified him His gripe is he was just sending it to "test" them to check it out, didnt really mean to submit it, If they would have just passed it through and given credit, do you think he would have said one word. No translation needed, simple easy logic. Attitude or tone BS, Facts are facts. Merv K9FD _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
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Jarda, As I understand the email string you submitted to this list, a card confirmation you submitted was in question so the DXCC desk checked the DXPedition's log, which they have a copy of, and your QSO is not in the log. If you believe the QSO was valid I would recommend you contact the QSL manager for the QSO in question to determine why it is not in the log, and why you received a QSL card if it is not. Most DXpeditions keep very accurate logs. Your dispute should be with them, not the DXCC Desk that followed the DXCC rules and applied them as they should. 73 Joel W5ZN _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
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Why don't you take photos of all your Jarvis card close up so we can see for ourselves. How could you have received a card for a contact that does not appear in their log. To you have the Jarvis logs to prove you are in them? Can we see those logs? All decisions of the DXCC desk are final. There is an Awards group on Groups.io you could try. W0MU On 3/23/2020 9:49 AM, Jarda wrote: O.K. guys. watching the discussion about " my matter " and let me specify that material QSL is exactly same as I have from other band it means there is a label over clean basic QSL confirmed over by original QSL manager stamp. The label do not cover any other data below it. It is therefore not a modified QSL. The one has the same look as others origin from other band. Advertising W9JJ is completely misleading. Because I wanted to be correct I asked for appraisal of damage rate what he well described and because I did not find any expedition log so just to find if qso is in log. Decent dealings don't pay off. What I could reach more when was nr. 1 ? _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
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Well let me be the 2nd then to comment, Its clear as friggin day, guy sent in a doctored card, pasted a printer label over the top of a QSO for another band, ARRL saw it in person and said "Fake" card, and disqualified him His gripe is he was just sending it to "test" them to check it out, didnt really mean to submit it, If they would have just passed it through and given credit, do you think he would have said one word. No translation needed, simple easy logic. Attitude or tone BS, Facts are facts. Merv K9FD Hi Mike Please forgive my blunt words, but It's about your tone what is bothering me. I see that all too often happening on this list. You are the first one responding here on his message. Surely one could ask OK1RD some questions, pass some information/experience on topic? OK1RD in the end, might be right or wrong. I still do not get the picture. 73 Mark PA5MW -Original Message- From: Mike Smith VE9AA Sent: Monday, March 23, 2020 13:13 PM To: pa...@home.nl; topband@contesting.com Subject: RE: Topband: DXCC Committe I'm not sure what your beef is with me , Mark/PA5MW. All I did was summarize his emails and brought no extra facts, opinions or innuendo's into play. I jumped to no conclusions. I asked a question at the end (the hail-mary bit) He started this, not me. In the end, he's the guy that has to look back at himself in the mirror. If there is some mistake or misunderstanding, I sure didn't make it. I can appreciate that English is probably not his first language, but I am not understanding his side of it and seek clarification. 73 Mike VE9AA Mike, Coreen & Corey Keswick Ridge, NB -Original Message- From: pa...@home.nl [mailto:pa...@home.nl] Sent: March 23, 2020 9:06 AM To: 'Mike Smith VE9AA'; topband@contesting.com Subject: RE: Topband: DXCC Committe OK, so let me get this straight: You sent the DXCC desk a Doctored card ==> *check* (that was clearly explained up front) got busted ==> negative contribution (that is the 'fact' needing to be peer-reviewed) then claimed you didn't send it ==> your interpretation (you just wanted them to admire your skills?) ==> negative contribution got kicked out of the DXCC program and are now mad about it, ==> yes he is. (still see that negative tone here) so are throwing a Hail-Mary so someone here might help? ==> negative contribution **See a pattern here Mike?** If there is any uncertainties on OK1RD's topic or, if you just must jump to that conclusion immediately, I would rather suggest you put in some elements which can help the discussion here. Some of us might see things differently and it would be helpful if people share their knowledge ON topic. Have a nice day, Mark, PA5MW -Original Message- From: Topband On Behalf Of Mike Smith VE9AA Sent: Monday, March 23, 2020 12:38 PM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: DXCC Committe OK, so let me get this straight. You sent the DXCC desk a Doctored card, got busted, then claimed you didn't send it (you just wanted them to admire your skills?), got kicked out of the DXCC program and are now mad about it, so are throwing a Hail-Mary so someone here might help? I think all you've done is make it worse. Now we all know how it happened ! Hi, Above all, to all of us previously born solid health during the period of the COVID-19 pandemic. Let me show you how one can be easily kicked out from 1 position in spite of meeting all the competition rules. Please read carefully all E-mails copies sequentially sorted. No more notes just facts from my side. Orginals of correspondence are available. 73, Jarda-OK1RD _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
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M A Y B E this started out on topic about topband My delete key is getting annoyed. How about take the DXCC desk practices discussion - and the language lessons - elsewhere Robin WA6CDR - Original Message - From: "Mike Smith VE9AA" To: ; Sent: Monday, March 23, 2020 05:33 Subject: Re: Topband: DXCC Committe No worries Mark. Dank u vel. tor _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
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No worries Mark. Dank u vel. Perhaps I have interpreted his facts (as presented) incorrectly. I do not know. That's why I prefaced my initial message with: "... OK, so let me get this straight:..." (which is an open invite to correct me) It would be really good to know why the Doctored card was sent to the DXCC desk. As for the AH3C/KH5J QSL card... perhaps it's supposition on my part, but other than to submit for DXCC credit, what other possible reason would a person submit a card to the DXCC desk and circumvent his local card checker OK1MP? (by registered mail at that_) I get fake cards from folks from time to time. I toss them in the trash. I also never send out doctored cards (I don't make them). Certainly I would never send a questionable one to an awards committee like the DXCC desk. Like in all good mysteries, maybe there is a piece of the puzzle missing? So, I am stumped. Time for me to sit back, relax and have others beat around the facts. I could really care less what others DXCC totals are. Never applied, probably never will! (I do like a good mystery though) Have a good stay, wherever you are.self-isolating in NB Mike VE9AA Mike, Coreen & Corey Keswick Ridge, NB -Original Message- From: pa...@home.nl [mailto:pa...@home.nl] Sent: March 23, 2020 9:23 AM To: 'Mike Smith VE9AA'; topband@contesting.com Subject: RE: Topband: DXCC Committe Hi Mike Please forgive my blunt words, but It's about your tone what is bothering me. I see that all too often happening on this list. You are the first one responding here on his message. Surely one could ask OK1RD some questions, pass some information/experience on topic? OK1RD in the end, might be right or wrong. I still do not get the picture. 73 Mark PA5MW -Original Message- From: Mike Smith VE9AA Sent: Monday, March 23, 2020 13:13 PM To: pa...@home.nl; topband@contesting.com Subject: RE: Topband: DXCC Committe I'm not sure what your beef is with me , Mark/PA5MW. All I did was summarize his emails and brought no extra facts, opinions or innuendo's into play. I jumped to no conclusions. I asked a question at the end (the hail-mary bit) He started this, not me. In the end, he's the guy that has to look back at himself in the mirror. If there is some mistake or misunderstanding, I sure didn't make it. I can appreciate that English is probably not his first language, but I am not understanding his side of it and seek clarification. 73 Mike VE9AA Mike, Coreen & Corey Keswick Ridge, NB -Original Message- From: pa...@home.nl [mailto:pa...@home.nl] Sent: March 23, 2020 9:06 AM To: 'Mike Smith VE9AA'; topband@contesting.com Subject: RE: Topband: DXCC Committe OK, so let me get this straight: You sent the DXCC desk a Doctored card ==> *check* (that was clearly explained up front) got busted ==> negative contribution (that is the 'fact' needing to be peer-reviewed) then claimed you didn't send it ==> your interpretation (you just wanted them to admire your skills?) ==> negative contribution got kicked out of the DXCC program and are now mad about it, ==> yes he is. (still see that negative tone here) so are throwing a Hail-Mary so someone here might help? ==> negative contribution **See a pattern here Mike?** If there is any uncertainties on OK1RD's topic or, if you just must jump to that conclusion immediately, I would rather suggest you put in some elements which can help the discussion here. Some of us might see things differently and it would be helpful if people share their knowledge ON topic. Have a nice day, Mark, PA5MW -Original Message- From: Topband On Behalf Of Mike Smith VE9AA Sent: Monday, March 23, 2020 12:38 PM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: DXCC Committe OK, so let me get this straight. You sent the DXCC desk a Doctored card, got busted, then claimed you didn't send it (you just wanted them to admire your skills?), got kicked out of the DXCC program and are now mad about it, so are throwing a Hail-Mary so someone here might help? I think all you've done is make it worse. Now we all know how it happened ! Hi, Above all, to all of us previously born solid health during the period of the COVID-19 pandemic. Let me show you how one can be easily kicked out from 1 position in spite of meeting all the competition rules. Please read carefully all E-mails copies sequentially sorted. No more notes just facts from my side. Orginals of correspondence are available. 73, Jarda-OK1RD _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
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Hi Mike Please forgive my blunt words, but It's about your tone what is bothering me. I see that all too often happening on this list. You are the first one responding here on his message. Surely one could ask OK1RD some questions, pass some information/experience on topic? OK1RD in the end, might be right or wrong. I still do not get the picture. 73 Mark PA5MW -Original Message- From: Mike Smith VE9AA Sent: Monday, March 23, 2020 13:13 PM To: pa...@home.nl; topband@contesting.com Subject: RE: Topband: DXCC Committe I'm not sure what your beef is with me , Mark/PA5MW. All I did was summarize his emails and brought no extra facts, opinions or innuendo's into play. I jumped to no conclusions. I asked a question at the end (the hail-mary bit) He started this, not me. In the end, he's the guy that has to look back at himself in the mirror. If there is some mistake or misunderstanding, I sure didn't make it. I can appreciate that English is probably not his first language, but I am not understanding his side of it and seek clarification. 73 Mike VE9AA Mike, Coreen & Corey Keswick Ridge, NB -Original Message- From: pa...@home.nl [mailto:pa...@home.nl] Sent: March 23, 2020 9:06 AM To: 'Mike Smith VE9AA'; topband@contesting.com Subject: RE: Topband: DXCC Committe OK, so let me get this straight: You sent the DXCC desk a Doctored card ==> *check* (that was clearly explained up front) got busted ==> negative contribution (that is the 'fact' needing to be peer-reviewed) then claimed you didn't send it ==> your interpretation (you just wanted them to admire your skills?) ==> negative contribution got kicked out of the DXCC program and are now mad about it, ==> yes he is. (still see that negative tone here) so are throwing a Hail-Mary so someone here might help? ==> negative contribution **See a pattern here Mike?** If there is any uncertainties on OK1RD's topic or, if you just must jump to that conclusion immediately, I would rather suggest you put in some elements which can help the discussion here. Some of us might see things differently and it would be helpful if people share their knowledge ON topic. Have a nice day, Mark, PA5MW -Original Message- From: Topband On Behalf Of Mike Smith VE9AA Sent: Monday, March 23, 2020 12:38 PM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: DXCC Committe OK, so let me get this straight. You sent the DXCC desk a Doctored card, got busted, then claimed you didn't send it (you just wanted them to admire your skills?), got kicked out of the DXCC program and are now mad about it, so are throwing a Hail-Mary so someone here might help? I think all you've done is make it worse. Now we all know how it happened ! Hi, Above all, to all of us previously born solid health during the period of the COVID-19 pandemic. Let me show you how one can be easily kicked out from 1 position in spite of meeting all the competition rules. Please read carefully all E-mails copies sequentially sorted. No more notes just facts from my side. Orginals of correspondence are available. 73, Jarda-OK1RD _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
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I'm not sure what your beef is with me , Mark/PA5MW. All I did was summarize his emails and brought no extra facts, opinions or innuendo's into play. I jumped to no conclusions. I asked a question at the end (the hail-mary bit) He started this, not me. In the end, he's the guy that has to look back at himself in the mirror. If there is some mistake or misunderstanding, I sure didn't make it. I can appreciate that English is probably not his first language, but I am not understanding his side of it and seek clarification. 73 Mike VE9AA Mike, Coreen & Corey Keswick Ridge, NB -Original Message- From: pa...@home.nl [mailto:pa...@home.nl] Sent: March 23, 2020 9:06 AM To: 'Mike Smith VE9AA'; topband@contesting.com Subject: RE: Topband: DXCC Committe OK, so let me get this straight: You sent the DXCC desk a Doctored card ==> *check* (that was clearly explained up front) got busted ==> negative contribution (that is the 'fact' needing to be peer-reviewed) then claimed you didn't send it ==> your interpretation (you just wanted them to admire your skills?) ==> negative contribution got kicked out of the DXCC program and are now mad about it, ==> yes he is. (still see that negative tone here) so are throwing a Hail-Mary so someone here might help? ==> negative contribution **See a pattern here Mike?** If there is any uncertainties on OK1RD's topic or, if you just must jump to that conclusion immediately, I would rather suggest you put in some elements which can help the discussion here. Some of us might see things differently and it would be helpful if people share their knowledge ON topic. Have a nice day, Mark, PA5MW -Original Message- From: Topband On Behalf Of Mike Smith VE9AA Sent: Monday, March 23, 2020 12:38 PM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: DXCC Committe OK, so let me get this straight. You sent the DXCC desk a Doctored card, got busted, then claimed you didn't send it (you just wanted them to admire your skills?), got kicked out of the DXCC program and are now mad about it, so are throwing a Hail-Mary so someone here might help? I think all you've done is make it worse. Now we all know how it happened ! Hi, Above all, to all of us previously born solid health during the period of the COVID-19 pandemic. Let me show you how one can be easily kicked out from 1 position in spite of meeting all the competition rules. Please read carefully all E-mails copies sequentially sorted. No more notes just facts from my side. Orginals of correspondence are available. 73, Jarda-OK1RD _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
Re: Topband: DXCC Committe
OK, so let me get this straight: You sent the DXCC desk a Doctored card ==> *check* (that was clearly explained up front) got busted ==> negative contribution (that is the 'fact' needing to be peer-reviewed) then claimed you didn't send it ==> your interpretation (you just wanted them to admire your skills?) ==> negative contribution got kicked out of the DXCC program and are now mad about it, ==> yes he is. (still see that negative tone here) so are throwing a Hail-Mary so someone here might help? ==> negative contribution **See a pattern here Mike?** If there is any uncertainties on OK1RD's topic or, if you just must jump to that conclusion immediately, I would rather suggest you put in some elements which can help the discussion here. Some of us might see things differently and it would be helpful if people share their knowledge ON topic. Have a nice day, Mark, PA5MW -Original Message- From: Topband On Behalf Of Mike Smith VE9AA Sent: Monday, March 23, 2020 12:38 PM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: DXCC Committe OK, so let me get this straight. You sent the DXCC desk a Doctored card, got busted, then claimed you didn't send it (you just wanted them to admire your skills?), got kicked out of the DXCC program and are now mad about it, so are throwing a Hail-Mary so someone here might help? I think all you've done is make it worse. Now we all know how it happened ! Hi, Above all, to all of us previously born solid health during the period of the COVID-19 pandemic. Let me show you how one can be easily kicked out from 1 position in spite of meeting all the competition rules. Please read carefully all E-mails copies sequentially sorted. No more notes just facts from my side. Orginals of correspondence are available. 73, Jarda-OK1RD _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
Re: Topband: DXCC Committe
Hi You are a very strange man Jarda... You wanted to have 349 countries and provided a fake card .. There is a wise Russian proverb - "greed killed the fraer" Maybe I translated badly. In Russian : " Жадность фраера сгубила." --- Nick, UY0ZG http://www.topband.in.ua Jarda писал 2020-03-23 11:17: Hi, QSO with AH3C/KH5J from 1990 year on mentioned 160m band. _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
Re: Topband: DXCC Committe
OK, so let me get this straight. You sent the DXCC desk a Doctored card, got busted, then claimed you didn't send it (you just wanted them to admire your skills?), got kicked out of the DXCC program and are now mad about it, so are throwing a Hail-Mary so someone here might help? I think all you've done is make it worse. Now we all know how it happened ! Hi, Above all, to all of us previously born solid health during the period of the COVID-19 pandemic. Let me show you how one can be easily kicked out from 1 position in spite of meeting all the competition rules. Please read carefully all E-mails copies sequentially sorted. No more notes just facts from my side. Orginals of correspondence are available. 73, Jarda-OK1RD _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
Re: Topband: DXCC
Нi This is not vodka . Automatic address dialing deceived me ... - Unfortunately for NA, I can’t start the season yet. During fishing, I slightly injured my leg and now I can’t install the RX antenna. Hope to hear American and Canadian stations soon at 160. --- Nick, UY0ZG http://www.topband.in.ua Saulius Zalnerauskas писал 2019-09-29 20:06: Too much vodka Dont touch in mind:) _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
Re: Topband: DXCC
Unfortunately ! I sent to the wrong address! --- Nick, UY0ZG http://www.topband.in.ua Mike Waters писал 2019-09-29 20:04: Google translated: Hello ! It's time on the site to change the picture with the numbers DXCC. See the file in the application! I know that there are changes in UR5AS, UT3QU, UT9NA. Maybe someone else? Sergei Ivanovich seems to have worked at night with 8R. Not new? In general, let's and will adjust on the site. You're welcome and 73, Mike www.w0btu.com On Sun, Sep 29, 2019, 11:45 AM uy0zg wrote: Привет ! Пора на сайте менять картинку с цифрами DXCC. Смотрите в приложении файл ! Знаю что есть изменения у UR5AS, UT3QU, UT9NA . Может еще у кого ? Сергей Иванович вроде сработал ночью с 8R. Не новая ? В общем давайте и будем корректировать на сайте. -- Nick, UY0ZG http://www.topband.in.ua _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
Re: Topband: DXCC
Too much vodka Dont touch in mind:) 2019-09-29, sk 20:04, Mike Waters rašė: > Google translated: > > Hello ! > > It's time on the site to change the picture with the numbers DXCC. > > See the file in the application! > > I know that there are changes in UR5AS, UT3QU, UT9NA. Maybe someone else? > > Sergei Ivanovich seems to have worked at night with 8R. Not new? > > In general, let's and will adjust on the site. > > > > You're welcome and > 73, Mike > www.w0btu.com > > > On Sun, Sep 29, 2019, 11:45 AM uy0zg wrote: > > > Привет ! > > > > Пора на сайте менять картинку с цифрами DXCC. > > > > Смотрите в приложении файл ! > > > > Знаю что есть изменения у UR5AS, UT3QU, UT9NA . Может еще у кого ? > > > > Сергей Иванович вроде сработал ночью с 8R. Не новая ? > > > > В общем давайте и будем корректировать на сайте. > > -- > > Nick, UY0ZG > > http://www.topband.in.ua > > _ > > Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband > > Reflector > > > _ > Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband > Reflector > _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
Re: Topband: DXCC
Google translated: Hello ! It's time on the site to change the picture with the numbers DXCC. See the file in the application! I know that there are changes in UR5AS, UT3QU, UT9NA. Maybe someone else? Sergei Ivanovich seems to have worked at night with 8R. Not new? In general, let's and will adjust on the site. You're welcome and 73, Mike www.w0btu.com On Sun, Sep 29, 2019, 11:45 AM uy0zg wrote: > Привет ! > > Пора на сайте менять картинку с цифрами DXCC. > > Смотрите в приложении файл ! > > Знаю что есть изменения у UR5AS, UT3QU, UT9NA . Может еще у кого ? > > Сергей Иванович вроде сработал ночью с 8R. Не новая ? > > В общем давайте и будем корректировать на сайте. > -- > Nick, UY0ZG > http://www.topband.in.ua > _ > Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband > Reflector > _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
Re: Topband: DXCC
Congratulations Rick! Who was your 100th country worked? Mine was SV3RF. In Victoria and New South Wales, a 10 m tower may be put up without Planning Permit, Building Permit, etc from local municipality. Even then, there's the likelihood of neigbours' objection. I live in the country, so at least I don't have neighbours who will make a fuss. I'm guessing it's easier to put in an oil well in Yorba Linda than a decent tower. I visited there in 1997. 73, Luke VK3HJ -Original Message- From: rick darwicki via Topband Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 7:04 AM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Topband: DXCC Well it has only taken 20 years but I finally made DXCC on Topband so my super powerful station will not be knocking you out of the pile ups anymore hi hi You have to love Yorba Linda's 35 foot tower limit :-) Thanks to all that dug me out of the noise. _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: DXCC etc
If DXCC is destroyed there sure are a ton of people that failed to get that message. The ARRL is in the business of..selling awards.. The Centennial QSO party was pure marketing genius. How many people got involved to buy another award On 7/12/2015 5:17 PM, Yuri Blanarovich wrote: What matters? Technology. Engine on a sail boat, Cessna vs. glider, biker vs. runner and competing in the same category. (According to ham radio logic) DXCC was destroyed by lists and nets wy bck. Now contesting, results, record tables are being destroyed by Internet, remotes and rentastations. ARRL is just like another dumb gummit bureaucracy. See the recognition of Russian occupation of Crimea and Eastern Ukraine. Thousands of dead freedom loving Ukrainians, not even UN and US State Dept. matter. What you expect? Maybe tax on rentastation rental fee, or per QSO? Welcome to Ham Radio Commerce! I lost appetite for playing with competitive radios. Thanks to Ham Radio for great old times, learning and building stations, getting me out of commie hell, influence in my career and many great friends I made. Tony Soprano was right: Fuggetaboutit! Good luck to further perversion of our beloved hobby/sport. I might try to 'splain more to those who don't get it, but wonder if it will do any good. I am getting back to photo/video. Technology there is allowing some amazing things, UHD, 3D, VR, drones. 73 Yuri, K3BU.us, VE3BMV etc. On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 03:08 PM, Roger D Johnson wrote: I just did a quick perusal of the current DXCC rules. If I understand them correctly: 1. Another ham can operate my station, using my call, and the contacts count towards my DXCC. 2. I can go to his station, sign my call, and the contacts count towards my DXCC. So...the station doesn't matter and the operator doesn't matter. What the heck matters anymore? 73, Roger _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: DXCC etc
KE1F Lou Sent on the new Sprint Network from my Samsung Galaxy S®4. By KE1F Original message From: Roger D Johnson n...@roadrunner.com Date: 07/12/2015 3:08 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Top Band Reflector topband@contesting.com Subject: Topband: DXCC etc I just did a quick perusal of the current DXCC rules. If I understand them correctly: 1. Another ham can operate my station, using my call, and the contacts count towards my DXCC. 2. I can go to his station, sign my call, and the contacts count towards my DXCC. So...the station doesn't matter and the operator doesn't matter. What the heck matters anymore? 73, Roger _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: DXCC etc
What matters? Technology. Engine on a sail boat, Cessna vs. glider, biker vs. runner and competing in the same category. (According to ham radio logic) DXCC was destroyed by lists and nets wy bck. Now contesting, results, record tables are being destroyed by Internet, remotes and rentastations. ARRL is just like another dumb gummit bureaucracy. See the recognition of Russian occupation of Crimea and Eastern Ukraine. Thousands of dead freedom loving Ukrainians, not even UN and US State Dept. matter. What you expect? Maybe tax on rentastation rental fee, or per QSO? Welcome to Ham Radio Commerce! I lost appetite for playing with competitive radios. Thanks to Ham Radio for great old times, learning and building stations, getting me out of commie hell, influence in my career and many great friends I made. Tony Soprano was right: Fuggetaboutit! Good luck to further perversion of our beloved hobby/sport. I might try to 'splain more to those who don't get it, but wonder if it will do any good. I am getting back to photo/video. Technology there is allowing some amazing things, UHD, 3D, VR, drones. 73 Yuri, K3BU.us, VE3BMV etc. On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 03:08 PM, Roger D Johnson wrote: I just did a quick perusal of the current DXCC rules. If I understand them correctly: 1. Another ham can operate my station, using my call, and the contacts count towards my DXCC. 2. I can go to his station, sign my call, and the contacts count towards my DXCC. So...the station doesn't matter and the operator doesn't matter. What the heck matters anymore? 73, Roger _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: DXCC Issues !
On Sat,7/11/2015 4:06 PM, Dick Bingham wrote: How disheartning it is to work a weak W1-station calling CQ on six meters I almost never use /6 except occasionally on 6M during band openings. On SSB, if I'm calling CQ, I'll identify K9YC in California. The WSJT modes are great -- it's common practice to include you grid square in your CQ or as a report. For example, CQ K9YC CM87 and in response, K9YC W4ABC EM48 I think most of us who are active on Topband know the guys who operate out of their traditional call-area. We all know W8JI is in GA, most folks know I'm in CA, K1LT is in OH, N8OO is in LA, K5RC in in NV, K4XU and W2VJN are in OR, KD4POJ is in ND, W0AIH is in WI, K2AV is in NC, N3BB is in TX. 73, Jim K9YC _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: DXCC Program Integrity
Maybe so Anthony but I distinctly recall attending a a IARU Region 2 conference some years ago in Ocho Rios, Jamaica and I was amazed at how many people from HQ along with their wives or partners that were booked in the 5 Star hotel where the conference was being held. It was almost like HQ was left with just the clerical staff. Some members of the ARRL travel often and to far away places with strange sounding names. Considering that there is an ARRL booth at every major and many minor ham-fests and that there is one every couple of weeks, there can be little doubt that league personnel do very well in frequent flyer miles and don't lodge at a Motel 6 during the event. Since the ARRL has a DXCC Desk as they call it, I wonder if they have a travel desk as well. Herb Schoenbohm, KV4FZ On 3/1/2015 2:07 PM, Anthony Scandurra wrote: I don't see ARRL staff pulling down six figure salaries, driving expensive cars, or living in mansions. Why do we always assume there is an ulterior and possibly malicious motive? The inescapable fact is that the ARRL needs funds to fight for us in Washington. The ARRL is not perfect, but no organization is. If you don't want to participate in DXCC because you think it is corrupt, then don't! No one is holding a gun to your head. 73, Tony K4QE _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: DXCC Program Integrity
This one interesting sentence, made in another thread, may be at the root of much of the disagreement expressed in the last few days with regards to DXCC. It does cause one to wonder why the award exists at all. If DXCC only matters to the recipient, why wouldn't their logbook serve the same purpose? For some, it does. What added gratification does that extra piece of paper provide? It's not exactly free. What makes the DXCC countries list so special -- why not use some other list? Why did ARRL go to great pains to make LoTW more challenging than online banking? Why are individuals disqualified from the program if the award only affects *them*? Why do we have card checkers that look for that dot between the 1 and the 8 like the guy looking for a hanging chad with a magnifying glass? Finally, what does it mean for the League to call DXCC the premier operating award then turn up their hands and basically say we can't enforce any of this it's up to you guys? Larry K5RK Larry, This all just life no matter what we do. If we base our self-worth, or determine the worth of others by what **we** like or what we think they should do, we are destined to be grouchy unhappy people who spend a lot of time making ourselves and others unhappy. It is this way in car shows, it is this way in automotive racing. It is this way in gaming and in sculpture and art. The DXCC is the DXCC as the rule written for DXCC apply. If someone does not like the rules as written, they can try to change the rules or go find something else they like better. In my opinion, and what makes me uncomfortable and ruins the spirit, is trying to disparage others because we don't happen to like the way the rules are written. As for cheating, which really means breaking a rule (not what we might personally WANT a rule to be), that will always go on. The best we can do is try to minimize it by careful thought. We seem to be becoming an increasingly angry society who like to not see anyone else having fun. We make extreme statements, invent conspiracies, and intentionally take things out of context just to be whining drama queens or professional curmudgeons. The weirdest part of it all is we worry about and get all dramatic about small meaningless stuff, while we do nothing to rationally work on real problems. I think maybe we are all getting old, and getting some of that infamous Brooklyn syndrome. 73 Tom _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: DXCC Program Integrity
Larry I admire your ability to see past the 'smoke and mirrors' and expose the hypocrisy of the ARRL DXCC program. What you have said is true. The ARRL speaks out of both corners of their mouth. There will be others who will object to you exposing the DXCC program and there will be others who wish to change the subject. Some will find the truth unacceptable. Doug -Original Message- The integrity of the program is irrelevant This one interesting sentence, made in another thread, may be at the root of much of the disagreement expressed in the last few days with regards to DXCC. It does cause one to wonder why the award exists at all. If DXCC only matters to the recipient, why wouldn't their logbook serve the same purpose? For some, it does. What added gratification does that extra piece of paper provide? It's not exactly free. What makes the DXCC countries list so special -- why not use some other list? Why did ARRL go to great pains to make LoTW more challenging than online banking? Why are individuals disqualified from the program if the award only affects *them*? Why do we have card checkers that look for that dot between the 1 and the 8 like the guy looking for a hanging chad with a magnifying glass? Finally, what does it mean for the League to call DXCC the premier operating award then turn up their hands and basically say we can't enforce any of this it's up to you guys? Larry K5RK --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: DXCC Program Integrity
I think the ARRL does many good things for Amateur Radio. They are also involved in things that are good for them and not so much for us. Their latest call for comments is directly related to the RM11708 issue. The DXCC program history is certainly not a beacon of purity and transparency is it? Some guy operating a remote station to work people is nothing compared to some of the things that have gone on in the program. The Centennial Award last year got people on the air and working other people which is a good thing. They also sold a boat load of LOTW credits and awards. The challenge Award Sells lots of LOTW credits and more plaques. I have no problem with it. The plaque is nice and it is fun to chase all the band mode combos and it has promoted more activity. Was the primary goal to get more people on the air or sell more stuff? Mike W0MU On 3/1/2015 10:27 AM, Doug Renwick wrote: Larry I admire your ability to see past the 'smoke and mirrors' and expose the hypocrisy of the ARRL DXCC program. What you have said is true. The ARRL speaks out of both corners of their mouth. There will be others who will object to you exposing the DXCC program and there will be others who wish to change the subject. Some will find the truth unacceptable. Doug -Original Message- The integrity of the program is irrelevant This one interesting sentence, made in another thread, may be at the root of much of the disagreement expressed in the last few days with regards to DXCC. It does cause one to wonder why the award exists at all. If DXCC only matters to the recipient, why wouldn't their logbook serve the same purpose? For some, it does. What added gratification does that extra piece of paper provide? It's not exactly free. What makes the DXCC countries list so special -- why not use some other list? Why did ARRL go to great pains to make LoTW more challenging than online banking? Why are individuals disqualified from the program if the award only affects *them*? Why do we have card checkers that look for that dot between the 1 and the 8 like the guy looking for a hanging chad with a magnifying glass? Finally, what does it mean for the League to call DXCC the premier operating award then turn up their hands and basically say we can't enforce any of this it's up to you guys? Larry K5RK --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: DXCC Program Integrity
I don't see ARRL staff pulling down six figure salaries, driving expensive cars, or living in mansions. Why do we always assume there is an ulterior and possibly malicious motive? The inescapable fact is that the ARRL needs funds to fight for us in Washington. The ARRL is not perfect, but no organization is. If you don't want to participate in DXCC because you think it is corrupt, then don't! No one is holding a gun to your head. 73, Tony K4QE _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: DXCC Desk?
Len, Kosovo at least counts in the CQ WW and other contests as a new entity. Z60WW (not Z60W) from the Republic of Kosovo will be 15M single band in the CQWW CW. OH2TA, Pekka, will operate using the Z61DX antennas. Kosovo counts as a separate country multiplier in the CQWW. QSL Z60WW ia OH2BH. It really is just a matter of the DXCC committee giving a wink and a nod on this one. IMHO they must eschew all political considerations and not just some of them. For some strange reason the disputed rocks in the south China Sea are countries and Kosovo is not. This makes no sense at all. It gives the impression to some, every time this happens, that the fix is in and somebody writes the rules to fit the circumstances. Just like in the upcoming ARRL 160 meter contest somebody decided that the Virgin Islands and all the other US territories including K9W are not DX for that contest. So rather than going by logic and fairness these decisions are made for political consideration by the establishment. In the case of the ARRL contest my former neighbor VP2VI was a DX station but me being a few miles away in the USVI have no chance of even being in the top 100. Why did this happen? Bob. VP2VI (W0DX) who lived on Tortolla made sure he was included. He was ARRL president at the time and a big 160 meter DX-er and knew who to talk to at HQ. Unfortunately HQ could not bend their strange exclusionary rules anymore to include all DX but just some while they turned their backs on us in the U.S. Territories. Now in this contest DX is prohibited from working DXjust wait for the bedlam that issues when KH8 comes on during the contest and they have a good opening to Europe and Asia in the middle of the ARRL 160 meter (DX) contest? The ARRL 160 contest rules are just plain dumb. Herb Schoenbohm, KV4FZ On 11/18/2013 12:27 PM, Lennart Michaelsson wrote: Hi Herb et al, In Europe Kosovo is considered to be an autonom and independent unit. In fact both the EU and NATO did bring the forces necessary to bring the war to an end. Why, you might ask after all this suffering, is that this nation still is not recognazid as a separate entity to this very small world of the global assembly that Ham radio really is? Len SM7BIC -Ursprungligt meddelande- _ Topband Reflector
Re: Topband: DXCC Desk?
On 11/18/2013 9:29 AM, Herb Schoenbohm wrote: What is the DXCC Desk anyway? It used to be just Bob White W1CW seated at a real oak desk with stacks of cards and papers and Bob's omnipresent huge Sherlock Holmes handy magnifying glass to look for any alterations. The DXCC Desk is still the ARRL Awards Manager (e.g. NC1L) supported by several clerical assistants. The Awards program is located within the ARRL MVP (Membership and Volunteer Programs) Department which is managed by NN1N. Now new countries are created and approved for political purposes and real ones are refused for political purposes, like Kosovo and Chechnya. Fortunately, country creation is clearly defined in the DXCC rules and new ones are no longer created for political reasons (like Baldwin's Reef and Scaffold (BS) Reef). Unfortunately, the rules have a blind spot regarding Kosovo but adding Independent States in the World - http://www.state.gov/s/inr/rls/4250.htm - to the criteria would solve that problem. As far as Chechnya, Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus, Abkhazia, Nagorno-Karabakh, Transnistria, South Ossetia, etc. they are all governments in opposition - not real functioning nations recognized by either the US, the UN or a significant number of other nation. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 11/18/2013 9:29 AM, Herb Schoenbohm wrote: What is the DXCC Desk anyway? It used to be just Bob White W1CW seated at a real oak desk with stacks of cards and papers and Bob's omnipresent huge Sherlock Holmes handy magnifying glass to look for any alterations. Today I understand the DXCC Desk is no longer a desk at all but is comprised of computers, LOTW servers, and a DXCC Committee, which is tasked by another Committee made up primarily by HQ employees and answer, perhaps, to the ARRL Board of Directors. I think the organization flow chart may even be a mystery inside of an enigma. Perhaps a Kafkaesque relic from some other place. That's how they like it. Now new countries are created and approved for political purposes and real ones are refused for political purposes, like Kosovo and Chechnya.Maybe instead of referring to it as the DXCC Desk perhaps the DXCC Regime would be more appropriate. Mis dos centavos Herb Schoenbohm, KV4FZ On 11/18/2013 9:12 AM, James Rodenkirch wrote: Sheesh, Carl!! I doubt if the ARRL desk is gonna, or even should, weigh in on something they'd have no control over OR would have even an inkling of what went on to cause them to question it! First off, last time I looked, the QSL sent and received is between the sender, in this case me, and the receiver/replyee, the DX bubba AND, most importantly, is based on the notion that both are telling the truth How in the hell would/could the DXCC question that??? They gonna think we both are lying??? NOW, in the case of suspected cheating - me submitting a QSL card, as part of my DXCC 160 package submission for a QSO on 160 between K9JWV and PT0S at 1700Z on any day of the year - I could see them saying Prove it! Hi Hi I am FASCINATED by your mention of a Prove it, Dood via requesting an audio tape of a QSO for validation!! Wow!! 72, Jim R. K9JWV From: k...@jeremy.mv.com To: rodenkirch_...@msn.com; ber...@dailydx.com CC: ve...@sasktel.net; topband@contesting.com; he...@vitelcom.net Subject: Re: Topband: Don't give up AND log who worked the DX b4 and after! Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2013 20:03:05 -0500 I would think that the ultimate decision is up to the ARRL DXCC desk. In the past if it wasnt in the log it didnt countperiod...no matter who was before or after. Expecting an operator to remember a mistake months later...or his QSL manageris a stretch. This brought about many decades ago of making a tape copy (that shows its age) whenever a new one was worked and a few times having to present it to the DXCC desk to obtain credit. Im not saying you both didnt do a full legitimate exchange, dont get me wrong there. Perhaps someone from the DXCC desk can weigh in. Carl KM1H Original Message - From: James Rodenkirch rodenkirch_...@msn.com To: Bernie McClenny, W3UR ber...@dailydx.com; KM1H Carl k...@jeremy.mv.com Cc: Doug Renwick ve...@sasktel.net; Top Band Contesting topband@contesting.com; KV4FZ Herb he...@vitelcom.net Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2013 6:25 PM Subject: Re: Topband: Don't give up AND log who worked the DX b4 and after! As Bernie says, Mistakes happen. Just to re-iterate --- they DID copy my call correctly!! I heard them come back to me with K9JWV 599! THAT's why I put in the log. I wouldn't have logged the QSO if he came back K9JJV 599!!! I'd still be there calling them!! Hi HiI'm ok with the notion it's not a valid QSO IF they got my call wrong in the exchange, which they didn't! Them mucking up my call entry in the log is a different matter. 72, Jim R. K9JWV From: ber...@dailydx.com Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2013 15:29:18 -0500 To: z...@jeremy.mv.com CC: he...@vitelcom.net; topband@contesting.com;
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Hi Herb et al, In Europe Kosovo is considered to be an autonom and independent unit. In fact both the EU and NATO did bring the forces necessary to bring the war to an end. Why, you might ask after all this suffering, is that this nation still is not recognazid as a separate entity to this very small world of the global assembly that Ham radio really is? Len SM7BIC -Ursprungligt meddelande- Från: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] För Herb Schoenbohm Skickat: den 18 november 2013 15:30 Till: topband@contesting.com Ämne: Topband: DXCC Desk? What is the DXCC Desk anyway? It used to be just Bob White W1CW seated at a real oak desk with stacks of cards and papers and Bob's omnipresent huge Sherlock Holmes handy magnifying glass to look for any alterations. Today I understand the DXCC Desk is no longer a desk at all but is comprised of computers, LOTW servers, and a DXCC Committee, which is tasked by another Committee made up primarily by HQ employees and answer, perhaps, to the ARRL Board of Directors. I think the organization flow chart may even be a mystery inside of an enigma. Perhaps a Kafkaesque relic from some other place. That's how they like it. Now new countries are created and approved for political purposes and real ones are refused for political purposes, like Kosovo and Chechnya.Maybe instead of referring to it as the DXCC Desk perhaps the DXCC Regime would be more appropriate. Mis dos centavos Herb Schoenbohm, KV4FZ On 11/18/2013 9:12 AM, James Rodenkirch wrote: Sheesh, Carl!! I doubt if the ARRL desk is gonna, or even should, weigh in on something they'd have no control over OR would have even an inkling of what went on to cause them to question it! First off, last time I looked, the QSL sent and received is between the sender, in this case me, and the receiver/replyee, the DX bubba AND, most importantly, is based on the notion that both are telling the truth How in the hell would/could the DXCC question that??? They gonna think we both are lying??? NOW, in the case of suspected cheating - me submitting a QSL card, as part of my DXCC 160 package submission for a QSO on 160 between K9JWV and PT0S at 1700Z on any day of the year - I could see them saying Prove it! Hi Hi I am FASCINATED by your mention of a Prove it, Dood via requesting an audio tape of a QSO for validation!! Wow!! 72, Jim R. K9JWV From: k...@jeremy.mv.com To: rodenkirch_...@msn.com; ber...@dailydx.com CC: ve...@sasktel.net; topband@contesting.com; he...@vitelcom.net Subject: Re: Topband: Don't give up AND log who worked the DX b4 and after! Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2013 20:03:05 -0500 I would think that the ultimate decision is up to the ARRL DXCC desk. In the past if it wasnt in the log it didnt countperiod...no matter who was before or after. Expecting an operator to remember a mistake months later...or his QSL manageris a stretch. This brought about many decades ago of making a tape copy (that shows its age) whenever a new one was worked and a few times having to present it to the DXCC desk to obtain credit. Im not saying you both didnt do a full legitimate exchange, dont get me wrong there. Perhaps someone from the DXCC desk can weigh in. Carl KM1H Original Message - From: James Rodenkirch rodenkirch_...@msn.com To: Bernie McClenny, W3UR ber...@dailydx.com; KM1H Carl k...@jeremy.mv.com Cc: Doug Renwick ve...@sasktel.net; Top Band Contesting topband@contesting.com; KV4FZ Herb he...@vitelcom.net Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2013 6:25 PM Subject: Re: Topband: Don't give up AND log who worked the DX b4 and after! As Bernie says, Mistakes happen. Just to re-iterate --- they DID copy my call correctly!! I heard them come back to me with K9JWV 599! THAT's why I put in the log. I wouldn't have logged the QSO if he came back K9JJV 599!!! I'd still be there calling them!! Hi HiI'm ok with the notion it's not a valid QSO IF they got my call wrong in the exchange, which they didn't! Them mucking up my call entry in the log is a different matter. 72, Jim R. K9JWV From: ber...@dailydx.com Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2013 15:29:18 -0500 To: z...@jeremy.mv.com CC: he...@vitelcom.net; topband@contesting.com; ve...@sasktel.net Subject: Re: Topband: Don't give up AND log who worked the DX b4 and after! Like I said - mistakes happen. If the guy who made the mistake realizes he did so and is will to correct the error that is nothing wrong with that. Bernie Bernie McClenny, W3UR Editor of The Daily DX, The Weekly DX and How's DX? Two week trial - http://www.dailydx.com/trial.htm https://twitter.com/dailydx 410-489-6518 On Nov 16, 2013, at 8:46 AM, ZR z...@jeremy.mv.com wrote: Ive always been under the impression that both calls have to be sent, received, and verified to count for DXCC and other awards. QSO's on 160 are no different than EME when it comes to verification. Unless an audio recording
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Len, Why, you might ask after all this suffering, is that this nation still is not recognazid as a separate entity to this very small world of the global assembly that Ham radio really is? Ask the Serbs and Russians why they blocked Kosovar membership in the UN and prevented ITU from assigning a callsign block, dialing prefix and internet TLD? If the Serbs and Russians recognize the Palestine they could certainly allow Kosovo similar international privileges. Kosovo is recognized by the US as an independent state (see: http://www.state.gov/s/inr/rls/4250.htm) and like the EU the US maintains diplomatic relations with Kosovo. Unfortunately, the DXCC Rules (see: http://www.arrl.org/files/file/DXCC/DXCC%20Rules.pdf) do not include the US DOS Independent States in the World listing as a qualifying option for a Political (Rule 1) Entity. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 11/18/2013 11:27 AM, Lennart Michaelsson wrote: Hi Herb et al, In Europe Kosovo is considered to be an autonom and independent unit. In fact both the EU and NATO did bring the forces necessary to bring the war to an end. Why, you might ask after all this suffering, is that this nation still is not recognazid as a separate entity to this very small world of the global assembly that Ham radio really is? Len SM7BIC -Ursprungligt meddelande- Från: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] För Herb Schoenbohm Skickat: den 18 november 2013 15:30 Till: topband@contesting.com Ämne: Topband: DXCC Desk? What is the DXCC Desk anyway? It used to be just Bob White W1CW seated at a real oak desk with stacks of cards and papers and Bob's omnipresent huge Sherlock Holmes handy magnifying glass to look for any alterations. Today I understand the DXCC Desk is no longer a desk at all but is comprised of computers, LOTW servers, and a DXCC Committee, which is tasked by another Committee made up primarily by HQ employees and answer, perhaps, to the ARRL Board of Directors. I think the organization flow chart may even be a mystery inside of an enigma. Perhaps a Kafkaesque relic from some other place. That's how they like it. Now new countries are created and approved for political purposes and real ones are refused for political purposes, like Kosovo and Chechnya.Maybe instead of referring to it as the DXCC Desk perhaps the DXCC Regime would be more appropriate. Mis dos centavos Herb Schoenbohm, KV4FZ On 11/18/2013 9:12 AM, James Rodenkirch wrote: Sheesh, Carl!! I doubt if the ARRL desk is gonna, or even should, weigh in on something they'd have no control over OR would have even an inkling of what went on to cause them to question it! First off, last time I looked, the QSL sent and received is between the sender, in this case me, and the receiver/replyee, the DX bubba AND, most importantly, is based on the notion that both are telling the truth How in the hell would/could the DXCC question that??? They gonna think we both are lying??? NOW, in the case of suspected cheating - me submitting a QSL card, as part of my DXCC 160 package submission for a QSO on 160 between K9JWV and PT0S at 1700Z on any day of the year - I could see them saying Prove it! Hi Hi I am FASCINATED by your mention of a Prove it, Dood via requesting an audio tape of a QSO for validation!! Wow!! 72, Jim R. K9JWV From: k...@jeremy.mv.com To: rodenkirch_...@msn.com; ber...@dailydx.com CC: ve...@sasktel.net; topband@contesting.com; he...@vitelcom.net Subject: Re: Topband: Don't give up AND log who worked the DX b4 and after! Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2013 20:03:05 -0500 I would think that the ultimate decision is up to the ARRL DXCC desk. In the past if it wasnt in the log it didnt countperiod...no matter who was before or after. Expecting an operator to remember a mistake months later...or his QSL manageris a stretch. This brought about many decades ago of making a tape copy (that shows its age) whenever a new one was worked and a few times having to present it to the DXCC desk to obtain credit. Im not saying you both didnt do a full legitimate exchange, dont get me wrong there. Perhaps someone from the DXCC desk can weigh in. Carl KM1H Original Message - From: James Rodenkirch rodenkirch_...@msn.com To: Bernie McClenny, W3UR ber...@dailydx.com; KM1H Carl k...@jeremy.mv.com Cc: Doug Renwick ve...@sasktel.net; Top Band Contesting topband@contesting.com; KV4FZ Herb he...@vitelcom.net Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2013 6:25 PM Subject: Re: Topband: Don't give up AND log who worked the DX b4 and after! As Bernie says, Mistakes happen. Just to re-iterate --- they DID copy my call correctly!! I heard them come back to me with K9JWV 599! THAT's why I put in the log. I wouldn't have logged the QSO if he came back K9JJV 599!!! I'd still be there calling them!! Hi HiI'm ok with the notion it's not a valid QSO IF they got my call wrong in the exchange, which they didn't! Them mucking up my call entry in the log is a different
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Gents... Amateur radio is supposed to be devoid of politics as much as possible. but the more you dig the worse it gets. I once attended an IARU Region II meeting in Jamaica and was amazed by all the wheeling and dealing going on with DXCC accreditation at the core. That was nearly 50 years ago and it seems not much has changed. I had even heard that the ops at 706T where banned from working any 4X4's but the sharp ops with a wink and a nod just logged VX4*** rather than mentioning anything on the air. Would the ARRL DXCC Desk discredit a single 4X4 in need of this one? I sort of doubt it. At times there are bona fide reasons to make exception. Also the creation of private DX preserves by the ARRL for certain Radio Societies is legend. In fact KP5 (Desecheo) should never have been granted DXCC status when Mona Island which permits visitors was refused. Additionally Water Island, which KP2A fought for for years, was clearly not part of the USVI and until recently administered solely by the U.S. Department of interior. But so the story goes that hams in Puerto Rico had decided to join the IARU as a distinct and unique entity apart from the U.S. and the creation of a private DXCC location was the price the ARRL paid to halt those plans. The DXCC rules have been anything but consistant and have been bent and twisted like a heavily gerrymander congressional district to purposely include or exclude voters of certain just to satisfy some. Herb Schoenbohm, KV4FZ On 11/18/2013 3:47 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: Len, Why, you might ask after all this suffering, is that this nation still is not recognazid as a separate entity to this very small world of the global assembly that Ham radio really is? Ask the Serbs and Russians why they blocked Kosovar membership in the UN and prevented ITU from assigning a callsign block, dialing prefix and internet TLD? If the Serbs and Russians recognize the Palestine they could certainly allow Kosovo similar international privileges. Kosovo is recognized by the US as an independent state (see: http://www.state.gov/s/inr/rls/4250.htm) and like the EU the US maintains diplomatic relations with Kosovo. Unfortunately, the DXCC Rules (see: http://www.arrl.org/files/file/DXCC/DXCC%20Rules.pdf) do not include the US DOS Independent States in the World listing as a qualifying option for a Political (Rule 1) Entity. 73, ... Joe, W4TV _ Topband Reflector
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Herb, Get your facts straight ... the issues you raise happened in the main more than 20 years ago. The latest DXCC rules revision DXCC 2000 has greatly simplified (and removed the subjectivity) from the entities criteria (although there are those who can't read a map properly and screw up the separation between Saba and Bonaire). The current criteria are quite simple and transparent - leaving very little interpretation as to what qualifies as a political entity, or Geographic Separation Entity. There is simply no opportunity for the backroom politics under the current rules. In that regard the issues about which you are kvetching have been resolved for 15 years. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 11/18/2013 3:33 PM, Herb Schoenbohm wrote: Gents... Amateur radio is supposed to be devoid of politics as much as possible. but the more you dig the worse it gets. I once attended an IARU Region II meeting in Jamaica and was amazed by all the wheeling and dealing going on with DXCC accreditation at the core. That was nearly 50 years ago and it seems not much has changed. I had even heard that the ops at 706T where banned from working any 4X4's but the sharp ops with a wink and a nod just logged VX4*** rather than mentioning anything on the air. Would the ARRL DXCC Desk discredit a single 4X4 in need of this one? I sort of doubt it. At times there are bona fide reasons to make exception. Also the creation of private DX preserves by the ARRL for certain Radio Societies is legend. In fact KP5 (Desecheo) should never have been granted DXCC status when Mona Island which permits visitors was refused. Additionally Water Island, which KP2A fought for for years, was clearly not part of the USVI and until recently administered solely by the U.S. Department of interior. But so the story goes that hams in Puerto Rico had decided to join the IARU as a distinct and unique entity apart from the U.S. and the creation of a private DXCC location was the price the ARRL paid to halt those plans. The DXCC rules have been anything but consistant and have been bent and twisted like a heavily gerrymander congressional district to purposely include or exclude voters of certain just to satisfy some. Herb Schoenbohm, KV4FZ On 11/18/2013 3:47 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: Len, Why, you might ask after all this suffering, is that this nation still is not recognazid as a separate entity to this very small world of the global assembly that Ham radio really is? Ask the Serbs and Russians why they blocked Kosovar membership in the UN and prevented ITU from assigning a callsign block, dialing prefix and internet TLD? If the Serbs and Russians recognize the Palestine they could certainly allow Kosovo similar international privileges. Kosovo is recognized by the US as an independent state (see: http://www.state.gov/s/inr/rls/4250.htm) and like the EU the US maintains diplomatic relations with Kosovo. Unfortunately, the DXCC Rules (see: http://www.arrl.org/files/file/DXCC/DXCC%20Rules.pdf) do not include the US DOS Independent States in the World listing as a qualifying option for a Political (Rule 1) Entity. 73, ... Joe, W4TV _ Topband Reflector _ Topband Reflector
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Well, I will be pleased and my faith in DXCC will be restored when they delete the farce of Scaffold Reef - B.S.- seven- hotel!. As far as I'm concerned, I f you can't sleep on it and prepare meals on it - it ain't a country! I by any stretch of the imagination! ( I did work BS7H and have it confirmed, but it's not a country!) 73, Charlie, K4OTV -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Joe Subich, W4TV Sent: Monday, November 18, 2013 3:56 PM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: DXCC Desk? Herb, Get your facts straight ... the issues you raise happened in the main more than 20 years ago. The latest DXCC rules revision DXCC 2000 has greatly simplified (and removed the subjectivity) from the entities criteria (although there are those who can't read a map properly and screw up the separation between Saba and Bonaire). The current criteria are quite simple and transparent - leaving very little interpretation as to what qualifies as a political entity, or Geographic Separation Entity. There is simply no opportunity for the backroom politics under the current rules. In that regard the issues about which you are kvetching have been resolved for 15 years. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 11/18/2013 3:33 PM, Herb Schoenbohm wrote: Gents... Amateur radio is supposed to be devoid of politics as much as possible. but the more you dig the worse it gets. I once attended an IARU Region II meeting in Jamaica and was amazed by all the wheeling and dealing going on with DXCC accreditation at the core. That was nearly 50 years ago and it seems not much has changed. I had even heard that the ops at 706T where banned from working any 4X4's but the sharp ops with a wink and a nod just logged VX4*** rather than mentioning anything on the air. Would the ARRL DXCC Desk discredit a single 4X4 in need of this one? I sort of doubt it. At times there are bona fide reasons to make exception. Also the creation of private DX preserves by the ARRL for certain Radio Societies is legend. In fact KP5 (Desecheo) should never have been granted DXCC status when Mona Island which permits visitors was refused. Additionally Water Island, which KP2A fought for for years, was clearly not part of the USVI and until recently administered solely by the U.S. Department of interior. But so the story goes that hams in Puerto Rico had decided to join the IARU as a distinct and unique entity apart from the U.S. and the creation of a private DXCC location was the price the ARRL paid to halt those plans. The DXCC rules have been anything but consistant and have been bent and twisted like a heavily gerrymander congressional district to purposely include or exclude voters of certain just to satisfy some. Herb Schoenbohm, KV4FZ On 11/18/2013 3:47 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: Len, Why, you might ask after all this suffering, is that this nation still is not recognazid as a separate entity to this very small world of the global assembly that Ham radio really is? Ask the Serbs and Russians why they blocked Kosovar membership in the UN and prevented ITU from assigning a callsign block, dialing prefix and internet TLD? If the Serbs and Russians recognize the Palestine they could certainly allow Kosovo similar international privileges. Kosovo is recognized by the US as an independent state (see: http://www.state.gov/s/inr/rls/4250.htm) and like the EU the US maintains diplomatic relations with Kosovo. Unfortunately, the DXCC Rules (see: http://www.arrl.org/files/file/DXCC/DXCC%20Rules.pdf) do not include the US DOS Independent States in the World listing as a qualifying option for a Political (Rule 1) Entity. 73, ... Joe, W4TV _ Topband Reflector _ Topband Reflector _ Topband Reflector
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Hi Charlie, There are a lot of entities that we, as hams, count as countries for DXCC credit! It makes going for the award all that much more fun!! 73, Ted K2QMF On Mon, 18 Nov 2013 16:57:03 -0500 Charlie Cunningham charlie-cunning...@nc.rr.com writes: Well, I will be pleased and my faith in DXCC will be restored when they delete the farce of Scaffold Reef - B.S.- seven- hotel!. As far as I'm concerned, I f you can't sleep on it and prepare meals on it - it ain't a country! I by any stretch of the imagination! ( I did work BS7H and have it confirmed, but it's not a country!) 73, Charlie, K4OTV -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Joe Subich, W4TV Sent: Monday, November 18, 2013 3:56 PM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: DXCC Desk? Herb, Get your facts straight ... the issues you raise happened in the main more than 20 years ago. The latest DXCC rules revision DXCC 2000 has greatly simplified (and removed the subjectivity) from the entities criteria (although there are those who can't read a map properly and screw up the separation between Saba and Bonaire). The current criteria are quite simple and transparent - leaving very little interpretation as to what qualifies as a political entity, or Geographic Separation Entity. There is simply no opportunity for the backroom politics under the current rules. In that regard the issues about which you are kvetching have been resolved for 15 years. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 11/18/2013 3:33 PM, Herb Schoenbohm wrote: Gents... Amateur radio is supposed to be devoid of politics as much as possible. but the more you dig the worse it gets. I once attended an IARU Region II meeting in Jamaica and was amazed by all the wheeling and dealing going on with DXCC accreditation at the core. That was nearly 50 years ago and it seems not much has changed. I had even heard that the ops at 706T where banned from working any 4X4's but the sharp ops with a wink and a nod just logged VX4*** rather than mentioning anything on the air. Would the ARRL DXCC Desk discredit a single 4X4 in need of this one? I sort of doubt it. At times there are bona fide reasons to make exception. Also the creation of private DX preserves by the ARRL for certain Radio Societies is legend. In fact KP5 (Desecheo) should never have been granted DXCC status when Mona Island which permits visitors was refused. Additionally Water Island, which KP2A fought for for years, was clearly not part of the USVI and until recently administered solely by the U.S. Department of interior. But so the story goes that hams in Puerto Rico had decided to join the IARU as a distinct and unique entity apart from the U.S. and the creation of a private DXCC location was the price the ARRL paid to halt those plans. The DXCC rules have been anything but consistant and have been bent and twisted like a heavily gerrymander congressional district to purposely include or exclude voters of certain just to satisfy some. Herb Schoenbohm, KV4FZ On 11/18/2013 3:47 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: Len, Why, you might ask after all this suffering, is that this nation still is not recognazid as a separate entity to this very small world of the global assembly that Ham radio really is? Ask the Serbs and Russians why they blocked Kosovar membership in the UN and prevented ITU from assigning a callsign block, dialing prefix and internet TLD? If the Serbs and Russians recognize the Palestine they could certainly allow Kosovo similar international privileges. Kosovo is recognized by the US as an independent state (see: http://www.state.gov/s/inr/rls/4250.htm) and like the EU the US maintains diplomatic relations with Kosovo. Unfortunately, the DXCC Rules (see: http://www.arrl.org/files/file/DXCC/DXCC%20Rules.pdf) do not include the US DOS Independent States in the World listing as a qualifying option for a Political (Rule 1) Entity. 73, ... Joe, W4TV _ Topband Reflector _ Topband Reflector _ Topband Reflector Fast, Secure, NetZero 4G Mobile Broadband. Try it. http://www.netzero.net/?refcd=NZINTISP0512T4GOUT2 _ Topband Reflector
Re: Topband: DXCC Desk?
Well, maybe so, Ted. But I'd be really impressed if Martti would mount a major expedition to North Korea! 73,, Charlie, K4OTV -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of k2...@juno.com Sent: Monday, November 18, 2013 5:05 PM To: charlie-cunning...@nc.rr.com Cc: li...@subich.com; topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: DXCC Desk? Hi Charlie, There are a lot of entities that we, as hams, count as countries for DXCC credit! It makes going for the award all that much more fun!! 73, Ted K2QMF On Mon, 18 Nov 2013 16:57:03 -0500 Charlie Cunningham charlie-cunning...@nc.rr.com writes: Well, I will be pleased and my faith in DXCC will be restored when they delete the farce of Scaffold Reef - B.S.- seven- hotel!. As far as I'm concerned, I f you can't sleep on it and prepare meals on it - it ain't a country! I by any stretch of the imagination! ( I did work BS7H and have it confirmed, but it's not a country!) 73, Charlie, K4OTV -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Joe Subich, W4TV Sent: Monday, November 18, 2013 3:56 PM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: DXCC Desk? Herb, Get your facts straight ... the issues you raise happened in the main more than 20 years ago. The latest DXCC rules revision DXCC 2000 has greatly simplified (and removed the subjectivity) from the entities criteria (although there are those who can't read a map properly and screw up the separation between Saba and Bonaire). The current criteria are quite simple and transparent - leaving very little interpretation as to what qualifies as a political entity, or Geographic Separation Entity. There is simply no opportunity for the backroom politics under the current rules. In that regard the issues about which you are kvetching have been resolved for 15 years. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 11/18/2013 3:33 PM, Herb Schoenbohm wrote: Gents... Amateur radio is supposed to be devoid of politics as much as possible. but the more you dig the worse it gets. I once attended an IARU Region II meeting in Jamaica and was amazed by all the wheeling and dealing going on with DXCC accreditation at the core. That was nearly 50 years ago and it seems not much has changed. I had even heard that the ops at 706T where banned from working any 4X4's but the sharp ops with a wink and a nod just logged VX4*** rather than mentioning anything on the air. Would the ARRL DXCC Desk discredit a single 4X4 in need of this one? I sort of doubt it. At times there are bona fide reasons to make exception. Also the creation of private DX preserves by the ARRL for certain Radio Societies is legend. In fact KP5 (Desecheo) should never have been granted DXCC status when Mona Island which permits visitors was refused. Additionally Water Island, which KP2A fought for for years, was clearly not part of the USVI and until recently administered solely by the U.S. Department of interior. But so the story goes that hams in Puerto Rico had decided to join the IARU as a distinct and unique entity apart from the U.S. and the creation of a private DXCC location was the price the ARRL paid to halt those plans. The DXCC rules have been anything but consistant and have been bent and twisted like a heavily gerrymander congressional district to purposely include or exclude voters of certain just to satisfy some. Herb Schoenbohm, KV4FZ On 11/18/2013 3:47 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: Len, Why, you might ask after all this suffering, is that this nation still is not recognazid as a separate entity to this very small world of the global assembly that Ham radio really is? Ask the Serbs and Russians why they blocked Kosovar membership in the UN and prevented ITU from assigning a callsign block, dialing prefix and internet TLD? If the Serbs and Russians recognize the Palestine they could certainly allow Kosovo similar international privileges. Kosovo is recognized by the US as an independent state (see: http://www.state.gov/s/inr/rls/4250.htm) and like the EU the US maintains diplomatic relations with Kosovo. Unfortunately, the DXCC Rules (see: http://www.arrl.org/files/file/DXCC/DXCC%20Rules.pdf) do not include the US DOS Independent States in the World listing as a qualifying option for a Political (Rule 1) Entity. 73, ... Joe, W4TV _ Topband Reflector _ Topband Reflector _ Topband Reflector Fast, Secure, NetZero 4G Mobile Broadband. Try it. http://www.netzero.net/?refcd=NZINTISP0512T4GOUT2 _ Topband Reflector _ Topband Reflector
Re: Topband: DXCC Desk?
Charlie, I am sure that if he could he sure would!!! 73, Ted K2QMF On Mon, 18 Nov 2013 17:22:55 -0500 Charlie Cunningham charlie-cunning...@nc.rr.com writes: Well, maybe so, Ted. But I'd be really impressed if Martti would mount a major expedition to North Korea! 73,, Charlie, K4OTV -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of k2...@juno.com Sent: Monday, November 18, 2013 5:05 PM To: charlie-cunning...@nc.rr.com Cc: li...@subich.com; topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: DXCC Desk? Hi Charlie, There are a lot of entities that we, as hams, count as countries for DXCC credit! It makes going for the award all that much more fun!! 73, Ted K2QMF On Mon, 18 Nov 2013 16:57:03 -0500 Charlie Cunningham charlie-cunning...@nc.rr.com writes: Well, I will be pleased and my faith in DXCC will be restored when they delete the farce of Scaffold Reef - B.S.- seven- hotel!. As far as I'm concerned, I f you can't sleep on it and prepare meals on it - it ain't a country! I by any stretch of the imagination! ( I did work BS7H and have it confirmed, but it's not a country!) 73, Charlie, K4OTV -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Joe Subich, W4TV Sent: Monday, November 18, 2013 3:56 PM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: DXCC Desk? Herb, Get your facts straight ... the issues you raise happened in the main more than 20 years ago. The latest DXCC rules revision DXCC 2000 has greatly simplified (and removed the subjectivity) from the entities criteria (although there are those who can't read a map properly and screw up the separation between Saba and Bonaire). The current criteria are quite simple and transparent - leaving very little interpretation as to what qualifies as a political entity, or Geographic Separation Entity. There is simply no opportunity for the backroom politics under the current rules. In that regard the issues about which you are kvetching have been resolved for 15 years. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 11/18/2013 3:33 PM, Herb Schoenbohm wrote: Gents... Amateur radio is supposed to be devoid of politics as much as possible. but the more you dig the worse it gets. I once attended an IARU Region II meeting in Jamaica and was amazed by all the wheeling and dealing going on with DXCC accreditation at the core. That was nearly 50 years ago and it seems not much has changed. I had even heard that the ops at 706T where banned from working any 4X4's but the sharp ops with a wink and a nod just logged VX4*** rather than mentioning anything on the air. Would the ARRL DXCC Desk discredit a single 4X4 in need of this one? I sort of doubt it. At times there are bona fide reasons to make exception. Also the creation of private DX preserves by the ARRL for certain Radio Societies is legend. In fact KP5 (Desecheo) should never have been granted DXCC status when Mona Island which permits visitors was refused. Additionally Water Island, which KP2A fought for for years, was clearly not part of the USVI and until recently administered solely by the U.S. Department of interior. But so the story goes that hams in Puerto Rico had decided to join the IARU as a distinct and unique entity apart from the U.S. and the creation of a private DXCC location was the price the ARRL paid to halt those plans. The DXCC rules have been anything but consistant and have been bent and twisted like a heavily gerrymander congressional district to purposely include or exclude voters of certain just to satisfy some. Herb Schoenbohm, KV4FZ On 11/18/2013 3:47 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: Len, Why, you might ask after all this suffering, is that this nation still is not recognazid as a separate entity to this very small world of the global assembly that Ham radio really is? Ask the Serbs and Russians why they blocked Kosovar membership in the UN and prevented ITU from assigning a callsign block, dialing prefix and internet TLD? If the Serbs and Russians recognize the Palestine they could certainly allow Kosovo similar international privileges. Kosovo is recognized by the US as an independent state (see: http://www.state.gov/s/inr/rls/4250.htm) and like the EU the US maintains diplomatic relations with Kosovo. Unfortunately, the DXCC Rules (see: http://www.arrl.org/files/file/DXCC/DXCC%20Rules.pdf) do not include the US DOS Independent States in the World listing as a qualifying option for a Political (Rule 1) Entity. 73, ... Joe, W4TV _ Topband Reflector
Re: Topband: DXCC Desk?
Yeah DXCC stopped being interesting for me back when the the UN HQ building in NYC was declared to be a country; maybe it isn't even on the list anymore I haven't checked for decades... On Tuesday, November 19, 2013 4:02 AM, Herb Schoenbohm he...@vitelcom.net wrote: Gents... Amateur radio is supposed to be devoid of politics as much as possible. but the more you dig the worse it gets. I once attended an IARU Region II meeting in Jamaica and was amazed by all the wheeling and dealing going on with DXCC accreditation at the core. That was nearly 50 years ago and it seems not much has changed. I had even heard that the ops at 706T where banned from working any 4X4's but the sharp ops with a wink and a nod just logged VX4*** rather than mentioning anything on the air. Would the ARRL DXCC Desk discredit a single 4X4 in need of this one? I sort of doubt it. At times there are bona fide reasons to make exception. Also the creation of private DX preserves by the ARRL for certain Radio Societies is legend. In fact KP5 (Desecheo) should never have been granted DXCC status when Mona Island which permits visitors was refused. Additionally Water Island, which KP2A fought for for years, was clearly not part of the USVI and until recently administered solely by the U.S. Department of interior. But so the story goes that hams in Puerto Rico had decided to join the IARU as a distinct and unique entity apart from the U.S. and the creation of a private DXCC location was the price the ARRL paid to halt those plans. The DXCC rules have been anything but consistant and have been bent and twisted like a heavily gerrymander congressional district to purposely include or exclude voters of certain just to satisfy some. Herb Schoenbohm, KV4FZ On 11/18/2013 3:47 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: Len, Why, you might ask after all this suffering, is that this nation still is not recognazid as a separate entity to this very small world of the global assembly that Ham radio really is? Ask the Serbs and Russians why they blocked Kosovar membership in the UN and prevented ITU from assigning a callsign block, dialing prefix and internet TLD? If the Serbs and Russians recognize the Palestine they could certainly allow Kosovo similar international privileges. Kosovo is recognized by the US as an independent state (see: http://www.state.gov/s/inr/rls/4250.htm) and like the EU the US maintains diplomatic relations with Kosovo. Unfortunately, the DXCC Rules (see: http://www.arrl.org/files/file/DXCC/DXCC%20Rules.pdf) do not include the US DOS Independent States in the World listing as a qualifying option for a Political (Rule 1) Entity. 73, ... Joe, W4TV _ Topband Reflector _ Topband Reflector
Re: Topband: DXCC Desk?
Unfortunately BS Reef is one of those pre-1998 countries that continue on the list in spite of not meeting current criteria. On the other hand, I would not object to simply deleting any entity that did not meet the current standards. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 11/18/2013 4:57 PM, Charlie Cunningham wrote: Well, I will be pleased and my faith in DXCC will be restored when they delete the farce of Scaffold Reef - B.S.- seven- hotel!. As far as I'm concerned, I f you can't sleep on it and prepare meals on it - it ain't a country! I by any stretch of the imagination! ( I did work BS7H and have it confirmed, but it's not a country!) 73, Charlie, K4OTV -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Joe Subich, W4TV Sent: Monday, November 18, 2013 3:56 PM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: DXCC Desk? Herb, Get your facts straight ... the issues you raise happened in the main more than 20 years ago. The latest DXCC rules revision DXCC 2000 has greatly simplified (and removed the subjectivity) from the entities criteria (although there are those who can't read a map properly and screw up the separation between Saba and Bonaire). The current criteria are quite simple and transparent - leaving very little interpretation as to what qualifies as a political entity, or Geographic Separation Entity. There is simply no opportunity for the backroom politics under the current rules. In that regard the issues about which you are kvetching have been resolved for 15 years. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 11/18/2013 3:33 PM, Herb Schoenbohm wrote: Gents... Amateur radio is supposed to be devoid of politics as much as possible. but the more you dig the worse it gets. I once attended an IARU Region II meeting in Jamaica and was amazed by all the wheeling and dealing going on with DXCC accreditation at the core. That was nearly 50 years ago and it seems not much has changed. I had even heard that the ops at 706T where banned from working any 4X4's but the sharp ops with a wink and a nod just logged VX4*** rather than mentioning anything on the air. Would the ARRL DXCC Desk discredit a single 4X4 in need of this one? I sort of doubt it. At times there are bona fide reasons to make exception. Also the creation of private DX preserves by the ARRL for certain Radio Societies is legend. In fact KP5 (Desecheo) should never have been granted DXCC status when Mona Island which permits visitors was refused. Additionally Water Island, which KP2A fought for for years, was clearly not part of the USVI and until recently administered solely by the U.S. Department of interior. But so the story goes that hams in Puerto Rico had decided to join the IARU as a distinct and unique entity apart from the U.S. and the creation of a private DXCC location was the price the ARRL paid to halt those plans. The DXCC rules have been anything but consistant and have been bent and twisted like a heavily gerrymander congressional district to purposely include or exclude voters of certain just to satisfy some. Herb Schoenbohm, KV4FZ On 11/18/2013 3:47 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: Len, Why, you might ask after all this suffering, is that this nation still is not recognazid as a separate entity to this very small world of the global assembly that Ham radio really is? Ask the Serbs and Russians why they blocked Kosovar membership in the UN and prevented ITU from assigning a callsign block, dialing prefix and internet TLD? If the Serbs and Russians recognize the Palestine they could certainly allow Kosovo similar international privileges. Kosovo is recognized by the US as an independent state (see: http://www.state.gov/s/inr/rls/4250.htm) and like the EU the US maintains diplomatic relations with Kosovo. Unfortunately, the DXCC Rules (see: http://www.arrl.org/files/file/DXCC/DXCC%20Rules.pdf) do not include the US DOS Independent States in the World listing as a qualifying option for a Political (Rule 1) Entity. 73, ... Joe, W4TV _ Topband Reflector _ Topband Reflector _ Topband Reflector _ Topband Reflector
Re: Topband: DXCC Desk?
Well, I'd be in favor of that, Joe! Even though I have it confirmed, I've always regarded Scaffold Reef to be an absolute farce! 73, Charlie, K4OTV -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Joe Subich, W4TV Sent: Monday, November 18, 2013 7:47 PM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: DXCC Desk? Unfortunately BS Reef is one of those pre-1998 countries that continue on the list in spite of not meeting current criteria. On the other hand, I would not object to simply deleting any entity that did not meet the current standards. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 11/18/2013 4:57 PM, Charlie Cunningham wrote: Well, I will be pleased and my faith in DXCC will be restored when they delete the farce of Scaffold Reef - B.S.- seven- hotel!. As far as I'm concerned, I f you can't sleep on it and prepare meals on it - it ain't a country! I by any stretch of the imagination! ( I did work BS7H and have it confirmed, but it's not a country!) 73, Charlie, K4OTV -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Joe Subich, W4TV Sent: Monday, November 18, 2013 3:56 PM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: DXCC Desk? Herb, Get your facts straight ... the issues you raise happened in the main more than 20 years ago. The latest DXCC rules revision DXCC 2000 has greatly simplified (and removed the subjectivity) from the entities criteria (although there are those who can't read a map properly and screw up the separation between Saba and Bonaire). The current criteria are quite simple and transparent - leaving very little interpretation as to what qualifies as a political entity, or Geographic Separation Entity. There is simply no opportunity for the backroom politics under the current rules. In that regard the issues about which you are kvetching have been resolved for 15 years. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 11/18/2013 3:33 PM, Herb Schoenbohm wrote: Gents... Amateur radio is supposed to be devoid of politics as much as possible. but the more you dig the worse it gets. I once attended an IARU Region II meeting in Jamaica and was amazed by all the wheeling and dealing going on with DXCC accreditation at the core. That was nearly 50 years ago and it seems not much has changed. I had even heard that the ops at 706T where banned from working any 4X4's but the sharp ops with a wink and a nod just logged VX4*** rather than mentioning anything on the air. Would the ARRL DXCC Desk discredit a single 4X4 in need of this one? I sort of doubt it. At times there are bona fide reasons to make exception. Also the creation of private DX preserves by the ARRL for certain Radio Societies is legend. In fact KP5 (Desecheo) should never have been granted DXCC status when Mona Island which permits visitors was refused. Additionally Water Island, which KP2A fought for for years, was clearly not part of the USVI and until recently administered solely by the U.S. Department of interior. But so the story goes that hams in Puerto Rico had decided to join the IARU as a distinct and unique entity apart from the U.S. and the creation of a private DXCC location was the price the ARRL paid to halt those plans. The DXCC rules have been anything but consistant and have been bent and twisted like a heavily gerrymander congressional district to purposely include or exclude voters of certain just to satisfy some. Herb Schoenbohm, KV4FZ On 11/18/2013 3:47 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: Len, Why, you might ask after all this suffering, is that this nation still is not recognazid as a separate entity to this very small world of the global assembly that Ham radio really is? Ask the Serbs and Russians why they blocked Kosovar membership in the UN and prevented ITU from assigning a callsign block, dialing prefix and internet TLD? If the Serbs and Russians recognize the Palestine they could certainly allow Kosovo similar international privileges. Kosovo is recognized by the US as an independent state (see: http://www.state.gov/s/inr/rls/4250.htm) and like the EU the US maintains diplomatic relations with Kosovo. Unfortunately, the DXCC Rules (see: http://www.arrl.org/files/file/DXCC/DXCC%20Rules.pdf) do not include the US DOS Independent States in the World listing as a qualifying option for a Political (Rule 1) Entity. 73, ... Joe, W4TV _ Topband Reflector _ Topband Reflector _ Topband Reflector _ Topband Reflector _ Topband Reflector
Re: Topband: DXCC Desk?
You are missing out on all the fun On Mon, 18 Nov 2013 15:41:47 -0800 (PST) Bob Kupps n...@yahoo.com writes: Yeah DXCC stopped being interesting for me back when the the UN HQ building in NYC was declared to be a country; maybe it isn't even on the list anymore I haven't checked for decades... On Tuesday, November 19, 2013 4:02 AM, Herb Schoenbohm he...@vitelcom.net wrote: Gents... Amateur radio is supposed to be devoid of politics as much as possible. but the more you dig the worse it gets. I once attended an IARU Region II meeting in Jamaica and was amazed by all the wheeling and dealing going on with DXCC accreditation at the core. That was nearly 50 years ago and it seems not much has changed. I had even heard that the ops at 706T where banned from working any 4X4's but the sharp ops with a wink and a nod just logged VX4*** rather than mentioning anything on the air. Would the ARRL DXCC Desk discredit a single 4X4 in need of this one? I sort of doubt it. At times there are bona fide reasons to make exception. Also the creation of private DX preserves by the ARRL for certain Radio Societies is legend. In fact KP5 (Desecheo) should never have been granted DXCC status when Mona Island which permits visitors was refused. Additionally Water Island, which KP2A fought for for years, was clearly not part of the USVI and until recently administered solely by the U.S. Department of interior. But so the story goes that hams in Puerto Rico had decided to join the IARU as a distinct and unique entity apart from the U.S. and the creation of a private DXCC location was the price the ARRL paid to halt those plans. The DXCC rules have been anything but consistant and have been bent and twisted like a heavily gerrymander congressional district to purposely include or exclude voters of certain just to satisfy some. Herb Schoenbohm, KV4FZ On 11/18/2013 3:47 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: Len, Why, you might ask after all this suffering, is that this nation still is not recognazid as a separate entity to this very small world of the global assembly that Ham radio really is? Ask the Serbs and Russians why they blocked Kosovar membership in the UN and prevented ITU from assigning a callsign block, dialing prefix and internet TLD? If the Serbs and Russians recognize the Palestine they could certainly allow Kosovo similar international privileges. Kosovo is recognized by the US as an independent state (see: http://www.state.gov/s/inr/rls/4250.htm) and like the EU the US maintains diplomatic relations with Kosovo. Unfortunately, the DXCC Rules (see: http://www.arrl.org/files/file/DXCC/DXCC%20Rules.pdf) do not include the US DOS Independent States in the World listing as a qualifying option for a Political (Rule 1) Entity. 73, ... Joe, W4TV _ Topband Reflector _ Topband Reflector Fast, Secure, NetZero 4G Mobile Broadband. Try it. http://www.netzero.net/?refcd=NZINTISP0512T4GOUT2 _ Topband Reflector
Re: Topband: DXCC Fairness
On 9/19/2012 1:17 PM, Jim Brown wrote: Talk about DXCC fairness -- it's FAR easier to work DXCC with a modest station anywhere around the Atlantic, or within 1000 km of it, than it is from the Pacific. I've got a very nice antenna farm and have taken the time to become a competitive contester, but I am almost never able to work DXCC in a weekend contest, all bands combined. But guys on the east coast consider it trivially easy. The difference is especially striking on Topband -- there are often openings from EU to eastern NA, whereas we might HEAR a dozen signals a YEAR out here in California. It took me four years to work 100 countries on 160, and two years later I'm at 125. I haven't heard EU for two years. 73, Jim K9YC ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK Jim, Hold on as help is on the way. With the new remote control interfaces like Remote Rig and Icom's RS-BAS1 there is no need to be in a bad location as long as you have a good internet connection. Some contests are changing the rules by including the Extreme Category which permits such operation. The DXCC rules once required you to start over when you cross state line or call zone boundaries. Now you can be anywhere in the U.S. and the credits keep piling up. I don't think the ARRL, based on their pedantic history, will be fast to jump on allowing remote stations (inside the same country) for DXCC purposes, but it will happen eventually. More and more of their members are hopelessly trapped in gate communities, condominiums, and urban settings were participation in their hobby is just not very satisfying. The ARRL must be flexible if it wants to serve its membership. I know there are some on this list who will flame me for the suggestion and some who look down their noses to people with bad locations and limited lot sizes. But i would like to share the thrill to someone on the West Coast to have hundreds of Europeans calling during a good contest opening just asmuch as I would like to hear what JA's sound like that I never can hear from my location. I am certain that all of this old way will change with new technology devoted to remote control via internet now that some of the bugs are out of the process. Herb Schoenbohm, KV4FZ ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
Re: Topband: DXCC Fairness
Jim, You can't have your cake and eat it. The West coast has nicer weather than the East coast but the left coast ocean is larger... Maybe there should be an award based on Grid Squares. Mike N2MS - Original Message - From: Jim Brown j...@audiosystemsgroup.com To: 'TopBand' topband@contesting.com Sent: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 17:17:35 - (UTC) Subject: Topband: DXCC Fairness Talk about DXCC fairness -- it's FAR easier to work DXCC with a modest station anywhere around the Atlantic, or within 1000 km of it, than it is from the Pacific. I've got a very nice antenna farm and have taken the time to become a competitive contester, but I am almost never able to work DXCC in a weekend contest, all bands combined. But guys on the east coast consider it trivially easy. The difference is especially striking on Topband -- there are often openings from EU to eastern NA, whereas we might HEAR a dozen signals a YEAR out here in California. It took me four years to work 100 countries on 160, and two years later I'm at 125. I haven't heard EU for two years. 73, Jim K9YC ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
Re: Topband: DXCC Fairness
Excellent observations on DXCC from the East Coast. I think all Atlantic Coasters should operate QRP - Just to make it fair. jim / W1FMR --- On Wed, 9/19/12, mstang...@comcast.net mstang...@comcast.net wrote: From: mstang...@comcast.net mstang...@comcast.net Subject: Re: Topband: DXCC Fairness To: j...@audiosystemsgroup.com Cc: 'TopBand' topband@contesting.com Date: Wednesday, September 19, 2012, 2:36 PM Jim, You can't have your cake and eat it. The West coast has nicer weather than the East coast but the left coast ocean is larger... Maybe there should be an award based on Grid Squares. Mike N2MS - Original Message - From: Jim Brown j...@audiosystemsgroup.com To: 'TopBand' topband@contesting.com Sent: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 17:17:35 - (UTC) Subject: Topband: DXCC Fairness Talk about DXCC fairness -- it's FAR easier to work DXCC with a modest station anywhere around the Atlantic, or within 1000 km of it, than it is from the Pacific. I've got a very nice antenna farm and have taken the time to become a competitive contester, but I am almost never able to work DXCC in a weekend contest, all bands combined. But guys on the east coast consider it trivially easy. The difference is especially striking on Topband -- there are often openings from EU to eastern NA, whereas we might HEAR a dozen signals a YEAR out here in California. It took me four years to work 100 countries on 160, and two years later I'm at 125. I haven't heard EU for two years. 73, Jim K9YC ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
Re: Topband: DXCC Fairness
Excellent observations on DXCC from the East Coast. I think all Atlantic Coasters should operate QRP - Just to make it fair. jim / W1FMR Jim, When I operated with Merv K9FD at BY1QH in Jan '98 on 160, we observed the following: The west coast stations, W6 W7s were S7 to S9. Midwest was there but very weak. East coast was nonexistent except or W4DR on the long path. I have seen the EU stations over S9 on 80 meters from my mobile in W2land and S5 from W0land. But we do work DX. I have 379 total and 184 on 160. 73..Price W0RI near St. Louis ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
Re: Topband: DXCC Fairness
Being in PY1 land is just a tad better, but... We have something extra... when its winter and band have low noise, there is almost zero activity in northern hemisphere. We have to operate in summer, copying stuff between static crashes, wild... 73, Felipe Ceglia - PY1NB - PR1T team member /// Rio DX Group member /// Araucaria DX Group member http://dxwatch.com /// http://reversebeacon.net /// http://riodxgroup.com On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 2:17 PM, Jim Brown j...@audiosystemsgroup.comwrote: Talk about DXCC fairness -- it's FAR easier to work DXCC with a modest station anywhere around the Atlantic, or within 1000 km of it, than it is from the Pacific. I've got a very nice antenna farm and have taken the time to become a competitive contester, but I am almost never able to work DXCC in a weekend contest, all bands combined. But guys on the east coast consider it trivially easy. The difference is especially striking on Topband -- there are often openings from EU to eastern NA, whereas we might HEAR a dozen signals a YEAR out here in California. It took me four years to work 100 countries on 160, and two years later I'm at 125. I haven't heard EU for two years. 73, Jim K9YC __**_ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
