Re: Topband: 160M Rhombics

2013-07-28 Thread Rik van Riel
On 07/26/2013 04:23 PM, ZR wrote: For the guy who has the land and wants to own 20-10M in one or two directions for his daily chats, a rhombic will cost a lot less than a rotating tower with stacked yagis for each band. Also consider what seems like a very narrow beamwidth at the antenna can

Re: Topband: 160M Rhombics

2013-07-27 Thread Bill Tippett
W0BTU: For whatever reason, there's what seems to be a lot of hype about W6AM's rhombics. Such as: The W6AM station was legendary around the world. Don could beat you in a pileup for some obscure African station no matter what band, and even if you were on the east coast. And him in Southern

Re: Topband: 160M Rhombics

2013-07-27 Thread Michael Tope
On 7/27/2013 3:23 AM, Bill Tippett wrote: W0BTU: For whatever reason, there's what seems to be a lot of hype about W6AM's rhombics. Such as: The W6AM station was legendary around the world. Don could beat you in a pileup for some obscure African station no matter what band, and even if you

Re: Topband: 160M Rhombics

2013-07-27 Thread Mike Cizek
When I was first discovering DXing, I very clearly remember a wise and seasoned DXer in the Chicago area telling me: Any amplifier that you can pick up, is not worth picking up. 73, Mike Cizek W3MC -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of

Re: Topband: 160M Rhombics

2013-07-27 Thread Mike Waters
On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 7:20 PM, Bob Kupps n...@yahoo.com wrote: With a web site like yours I wouldn't be accusing others of over hyping. ?? _ Topband Reflector

Re: Topband: 160M Rhombics

2013-07-27 Thread ZR
When I was floating around in the Med for the USN in the early 60's, the bases I visited were all using rhombics pointed at DC mounted on 80-120' wooden poles. These consistently outperformed a 20M 6 el Telrex at similar heights at the ham station into the same area. The arguments were going on

Re: Topband: 160M Rhombics

2013-07-27 Thread Carl
Anybody on this list have a Rhombic for 160M? W1AW used to use one for bulletins and code practice on 160M but I think it came down years ago (1989?) They come in here literally against the pin which makes me wonder about the power used. Even the New England QRO++ Dxers and contesters

Re: Topband: 160M Rhombics

2013-07-27 Thread Carl
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 4:42 PM Subject: Re: Topband: 160M Rhombics Carl, I based what I said partly on your statements at http://forums.qrz.com/showthread.php?297870-How-to-design-rhombic-antenna . Looking back at that page, I see that perhaps I misunderstood your statements there. Look

Re: Topband: 160M Rhombics

2013-07-27 Thread Carl
tuner caps needed lots of spacing. Carl KM1H - Original Message - From: Mike Waters To: Carl Cc: topband Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 5:38 PM Subject: Re: Topband: 160M Rhombics Could be. Here's some photos of Don's station, FWIW: http://www.qsl.net/ne6i/w6am/shack.html . Alpha

Re: Topband: 160M Rhombics

2013-07-27 Thread Brian Miller
Hi all It has been interesting to read the comments about rhombic antennas. We used a rhombic beam antenna at ZL6QH. It had 100 metre legs (to make a total wire length of 400 metres) located at a height of approximately 20 meters AGL. The beam was made reversible by using a relay and open wire

Re: Topband: 160M Rhombics

2013-07-27 Thread ZR
- Original Message - From: Bill Tippett btipp...@alum.mit.edu To: topband@contesting.com Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 6:23 AM Subject: Re: Topband: 160M Rhombics W0BTU: For whatever reason, there's what seems to be a lot of hype about W6AM's rhombics. Such as: The W6AM station

Topband: 160M Rhombics

2013-07-26 Thread Shoppa, Tim
Anybody on this list have a Rhombic for 160M? W1AW used to use one for bulletins and code practice on 160M but I think it came down years ago (1989?) I seem to recall pics in CQ of a big California desert DX'er who had what was essentially a radial array of rhombics for maybe 160M or 80M. Tim

Re: Topband: 160M Rhombics

2013-07-26 Thread Tom W8JI
Anybody on this list have a Rhombic for 160M? W1AW used to use one for bulletins and code practice on 160M but I think it came down years ago (1989?) I seem to recall pics in CQ of a big California desert DX'er who had what was essentially a radial array of rhombics for maybe 160M or 80M.

Re: Topband: 160M Rhombics

2013-07-26 Thread Jeff Blaine
Message- From: Tom W8JI Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 12:27 PM To: Shoppa, Tim Cc: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: 160M Rhombics Anybody on this list have a Rhombic for 160M? W1AW used to use one for bulletins and code practice on 160M but I think it came down years ago (1989

Re: Topband: 160M Rhombics

2013-07-26 Thread HAROLD SMITH JR
Anybody on this list have a Rhombic for 160M? W1AW used to use one for bulletins and code practice on 160M but I think it came down years ago (1989?) I seem to recall pics in CQ of a big California desert DX'er who had what was essentially a radial array of rhombics for maybe 160M or

Re: Topband: 160M Rhombics

2013-07-26 Thread Mike Waters
If we want an antenna just for looks, might as well make it all out of a non-conductor such as plastic rope. :-) Seriously, Tom is right. Take time to study his rhombic page. However, as one wise man once told me, Time spent doing something you enjoy is not wasted time. Putting up a rhombic might

Re: Topband: 160M Rhombics

2013-07-26 Thread Mike Waters
There were a lot of tall tales told about W6AM's rhombics. Don't base a desire to have a rhombic on those fables. And that's where the term California Kilowatt came from. I'm told his rhombics were loud mostly for that reason. I forget what tubes were in his amp, but they sure weren't 6V6s. ;-)

Re: Topband: 160M Rhombics

2013-07-26 Thread donovanf
verticals! 73 Frank W3LPL - Original Message - From: Jeff Blaine j...@ac0c.com To: Tom W8JI w...@w8ji.com, Tim Shoppa tsho...@wmata.com Cc: topband@contesting.com Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 6:33:49 PM Subject: Re: Topband: 160M Rhombics Tom, Why? The same reason guys put up quads

Re: Topband: 160M Rhombics

2013-07-26 Thread Mike Waters
This is interesting! You did all this, Frank? It would be fascinating to hear details of how all this worked, especially the curtain array. 73, Mike www.w0btu.com On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 1:40 PM, donov...@starpower.net wrote: - four stacked rhombics, (two wide, two high) over a salt marsh in

Re: Topband: 160M Rhombics

2013-07-26 Thread Jeff Blaine
the actual performance results are. 73/jeff/ac0c www.ac0c.com alpha-charlie-zero-charlie -Original Message- From: Mike Waters Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 12:41 PM To: topband Subject: Re: Topband: 160M Rhombics If we want an antenna just for looks, might as well make it all out of a non

Re: Topband: 160M Rhombics

2013-07-26 Thread Tom W8JI
And that's where the term California Kilowatt came from. I'm told his rhombics were loud mostly for that reason. I forget what tubes were in his amp, but they sure weren't 6V6s. ;-) When I was bumming around in the 60's, I visited some west coast stations with large wire antennas with

Re: Topband: 160M Rhombics

2013-07-26 Thread Mike Waters
Carl, I based what I said partly on your statements at http://forums.qrz.com/showthread.php?297870-How-to-design-rhombic-antenna . Looking back at that page, I see that perhaps I misunderstood your statements there. Look at the photos of his shack. If he wasn't running a lot of power, you would

Re: Topband: 160M Rhombics

2013-07-26 Thread Mike Waters
Could be. Here's some photos of Don's station, FWIW: http://www.qsl.net/ne6i/w6am/shack.html . Alpha amplifiers, and huge tall racks that look like they might require one of those Alphas to drive them. But who can say for sure? :-) For whatever reason, there's what seems to be a lot of hype about

Re: Topband: 160M Rhombics

2013-07-26 Thread Tom Haavisto
W0AIH has a Rhombic, and it is pretty amazing. Mostly used on 20. Its quieter than the stack, and its louder. Steerable, but NOT rotateable :-) Installing one is NOT a simple task. Took Paul a few tries to figure out how to hang it. Its up about 100 feet, and requires a significant amount of