Re: Topband: Anyone have a boat load of J-310s?

2013-08-26 Thread Charlie Cunningham
Thanks, Andy

I understand your IP and trade-secret issues.  That's an interesting
approach. I'll have to give it some thought, although I don't expect to be
building preamps anytime in the foreseeable future. Was just curious why so
many J-310/309. Now I understand.

Have a good afternoon!

73,
Charlie, K4OTV

-Original Message-
From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Andy Ikin
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 6:29 AM
To: Charlie Cunningham
Cc: Topband Reflector
Subject: Re: Topband: Anyone have a boat load of J-310s?

Charlie wrote on Aug. 26.

Your preamp sounds very interesting!  It must be fairly elaborate, if it
uses 8 of the J309 FETS! I'd be interested in the circuit!


Charlie, I don't disclose circuit diagrams for commercial reasons. However 
the design is a push-pull using 4 fets in parallel to increase the gm and 
reduce the channel resistance, hence lower the noise.

73

Andrew G8LUG



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Topband: Anyone have a boat load of J-310s?

2013-08-25 Thread James Rodenkirch

The J-310s in my little preamp are kaput - I looked at Mouser but the shipping 
costs are way too high for a couple of little Jfets - any body have lots of 
extra J-310 (or equivalent) they could spare? What ever your costs would be, 
including mailing them off, would be far cheaper than what it would cost me to 
buy them outright!
 
Thank you, in advance, for any help -- reply off line works good for me72, 
Jim Rodenkirch
  
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Re: Topband: Anyone have a boat load of J-310s?

2013-08-25 Thread James Rodenkirch
Oooops - forgot to mention quantity --- four would be nice (in case they go 
south again)  Jim R.






The J-310s in my little preamp are kaput - I looked at Mouser but the shipping 
costs are way too high for a couple of little Jfets - any body have lots of 
extra J-310 (or equivalent) they could spare? What ever your costs would be, 
including mailing them off, would be far cheaper than what it would cost me to 
buy them outright!
 
Thank you, in advance, for any help -- reply off line works good for me72, 
Jim Rodenkirch

  
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Re: Topband: Anyone have a boat load of J-310s?

2013-08-25 Thread James Rodenkirch
Okee Dokede - someone offered to send me four - he said he has thousands of 
those J-310sthanks to all that replied with info!
 
Jim R.
 


 
From: rodenkirch_...@msn.com
To: topband@contesting.com
Subject: Anyone have a boat load of J-310s?
Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 07:16:31 -0600





The J-310s in my little preamp are kaput - I looked at Mouser but the shipping 
costs are way too high for a couple of little Jfets - any body have lots of 
extra J-310 (or equivalent) they could spare? What ever your costs would be, 
including mailing them off, would be far cheaper than what it would cost me to 
buy them outright!
 
Thank you, in advance, for any help -- reply off line works good for me72, 
Jim Rodenkirch

  
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Re: Topband: Anyone have a boat load of J-310s?

2013-08-25 Thread Charlie Cunningham
What's taking out the J-310s, Jim?  I have some around here somewhere, but
it's been years since I've seen them. Did you try Digi-Key?

Do you need to modify your preamp a bit to better protect the J-310s?

73,
Charlie, K4OTV

-Original Message-
From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of James
Rodenkirch
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 9:40 AM
To: topband@contesting.com
Subject: Re: Topband: Anyone have a boat load of J-310s?

Okee Dokede - someone offered to send me four - he said he has thousands of
those J-310sthanks to all that replied with info!
 
Jim R.
 


 
From: rodenkirch_...@msn.com
To: topband@contesting.com
Subject: Anyone have a boat load of J-310s?
Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 07:16:31 -0600





The J-310s in my little preamp are kaput - I looked at Mouser but the
shipping costs are way too high for a couple of little Jfets - any body have
lots of extra J-310 (or equivalent) they could spare? What ever your costs
would be, including mailing them off, would be far cheaper than what it
would cost me to buy them outright!
 
Thank you, in advance, for any help -- reply off line works good for
me72, Jim Rodenkirch
 

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Re: Topband: Anyone have a boat load of J-310s?

2013-08-25 Thread Charlie Cunningham
Jim,

If you really have trouble getting some J-310s, let me know.  I'd really
have to hunt -probably out in my garage. The J-310s that I have, if I could
find them, are, I expect, at least 20 years old and pre-date the shenanigans
that Paul is warning you about. The ones that I had, are, as I recall,
either ON Semi or NSC.  I probably should find mine, I guess.  I bought the
JFET version of the old AMECO preamp, from my friend, Bill, K4CIA, so I
might need some spares someday. The vacuum tube version of the AMECO preamp
didn't have those vulnerabilities, and worked great on all the low bands up
through 30m, for the same purpose that you are using yours for.

Paul's giving you some good advice. That's why I asked if you had tried
Digi-Key.  GL!

73.
Charlie, K4OTV

-Original Message-
From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Paul
Christensen
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 2:44 PM
To: James Rodenkirch; topband@contesting.com
Subject: Re: Topband: Anyone have a boat load of J-310s?

Jim,

The major semiconductor manufacturers (e.g., Fairchild) who once 
mass-produced JFETS in TO-92 style cases have now obsoleted most of them. 
This occurred approximately 2-3 years ago.  When shockwaves of the news hit,

many folks (and the on-line bottom feeders), started hoarding the remaining 
supply. Even the SMD versions are now in danger of going obsolete. 
Presently, only InterFET Corporation and Linear Systems appear to be 
manufacturing both through-hole and SMD versions of high-performance JFETs 
although their per-piece prices are very high.  Before the wave hit, I 
purchased hundreds of various JFETs in TO-92 style cases -- J310s being one 
type.  You're welcome a to a few.  True, in many applications it may not 
make a big difference between say a J310 and MPF-102, but it unnerves me 
when I don't know exactly what I'm using in a circuit.

Be careful when sourcing any semiconductor. As you noticed, JFETs are widely

available on the Asian market but when making a purchase through small 
on-line retailers - and the big auction site, it's not possible to trace the

supply chain of the component to its origin.  For example, some Toshiba 
low-noise bipolar transistors are in fact re-labeled 2N3904 devices.  Unless

the purchaser has access to a curve tracer and a means to perform critical 
noise and frequency response testing, one is left to trust the seller for a 
clean chain of custody between the time of manufacture and point of sale. 
When China is the only source of many TO-92 JFETs, the red flags are up (no 
pun intended).  Because of this, I have only purchased semiconductors direct

from the OEM or through well-established distributors including Newark, 
Mouser, Digi-Key, Arrow, AvNet, and Allied.  For an interesting perspective 
concerning the severity of the counterfeit semiconductor market, see the 
following report issued by the Semiconductor Industry Association (SIA):

http://tinyurl.com/l9hqpw6

Let me know if you're address is currently good on QRZ.

Paul, W9AC


- Original Message - 
From: James Rodenkirch rodenkirch_...@msn.com
To: topband@contesting.com
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 9:16 AM
Subject: Topband: Anyone have a boat load of J-310s?



 The J-310s in my little preamp are kaput - I looked at Mouser but the 
 shipping costs are way too high for a couple of little Jfets - any body 
 have lots of extra J-310 (or equivalent) they could spare? What ever your 
 costs would be, including mailing them off, would be far cheaper than what

 it would cost me to buy them outright!

 Thank you, in advance, for any help -- reply off line works good for 
 me72, Jim Rodenkirch

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Re: Topband: Anyone have a boat load of J-310s?

2013-08-25 Thread Andy Ikin
As far as am aware On-Semi still make the TO-92  J310. Fairchild ceased 
production about 2 years back. I did a last time buy from Mouser for several 
thousand J310 and the much more linear J309.


73

Andrew Ikin G8LUG 



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Re: Topband: Anyone have a boat load of J-310s?

2013-08-25 Thread James Rodenkirch
I've found what I'll need, Charlie, courtesy of Andy Ikin!  Thanks to all for 
the assistance on this project!  72, Jim Rodenkirch K9JWV

 From: charlie-cunning...@nc.rr.com
 To: w...@arrl.net; rodenkirch_...@msn.com; topband@contesting.com
 Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 15:55:21 -0400
 Subject: Re: Topband: Anyone have a boat load of J-310s?
 
 Jim,
 
 If you really have trouble getting some J-310s, let me know.  I'd really
 have to hunt -probably out in my garage. The J-310s that I have, if I could
 find them, are, I expect, at least 20 years old and pre-date the shenanigans
 that Paul is warning you about. The ones that I had, are, as I recall,
 either ON Semi or NSC.  I probably should find mine, I guess.  I bought the
 JFET version of the old AMECO preamp, from my friend, Bill, K4CIA, so I
 might need some spares someday. The vacuum tube version of the AMECO preamp
 didn't have those vulnerabilities, and worked great on all the low bands up
 through 30m, for the same purpose that you are using yours for.
 
 Paul's giving you some good advice. That's why I asked if you had tried
 Digi-Key.  GL!
 
 73.
 Charlie, K4OTV
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Paul
 Christensen
 Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 2:44 PM
 To: James Rodenkirch; topband@contesting.com
 Subject: Re: Topband: Anyone have a boat load of J-310s?
 
 Jim,
 
 The major semiconductor manufacturers (e.g., Fairchild) who once 
 mass-produced JFETS in TO-92 style cases have now obsoleted most of them. 
 This occurred approximately 2-3 years ago.  When shockwaves of the news hit,
 
 many folks (and the on-line bottom feeders), started hoarding the remaining 
 supply. Even the SMD versions are now in danger of going obsolete. 
 Presently, only InterFET Corporation and Linear Systems appear to be 
 manufacturing both through-hole and SMD versions of high-performance JFETs 
 although their per-piece prices are very high.  Before the wave hit, I 
 purchased hundreds of various JFETs in TO-92 style cases -- J310s being one 
 type.  You're welcome a to a few.  True, in many applications it may not 
 make a big difference between say a J310 and MPF-102, but it unnerves me 
 when I don't know exactly what I'm using in a circuit.
 
 Be careful when sourcing any semiconductor. As you noticed, JFETs are widely
 
 available on the Asian market but when making a purchase through small 
 on-line retailers - and the big auction site, it's not possible to trace the
 
 supply chain of the component to its origin.  For example, some Toshiba 
 low-noise bipolar transistors are in fact re-labeled 2N3904 devices.  Unless
 
 the purchaser has access to a curve tracer and a means to perform critical 
 noise and frequency response testing, one is left to trust the seller for a 
 clean chain of custody between the time of manufacture and point of sale. 
 When China is the only source of many TO-92 JFETs, the red flags are up (no 
 pun intended).  Because of this, I have only purchased semiconductors direct
 
 from the OEM or through well-established distributors including Newark, 
 Mouser, Digi-Key, Arrow, AvNet, and Allied.  For an interesting perspective 
 concerning the severity of the counterfeit semiconductor market, see the 
 following report issued by the Semiconductor Industry Association (SIA):
 
 http://tinyurl.com/l9hqpw6
 
 Let me know if you're address is currently good on QRZ.
 
 Paul, W9AC
 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: James Rodenkirch rodenkirch_...@msn.com
 To: topband@contesting.com
 Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 9:16 AM
 Subject: Topband: Anyone have a boat load of J-310s?
 
 
 
  The J-310s in my little preamp are kaput - I looked at Mouser but the 
  shipping costs are way too high for a couple of little Jfets - any body 
  have lots of extra J-310 (or equivalent) they could spare? What ever your 
  costs would be, including mailing them off, would be far cheaper than what
 
  it would cost me to buy them outright!
 
  Thank you, in advance, for any help -- reply off line works good for 
  me72, Jim Rodenkirch
 
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Re: Topband: Anyone have a boat load of J-310s?

2013-08-25 Thread Charlie Cunningham
Actually, Jim - for 160 and 80m, where you could tolerate some capacitance,
you could even try back-to-back  1 amp rectifiers, like IN4004-1N4007. You
surely wouldn't blow  those out! :-)  I'd probably start with the 1N4148,
though.

73,
Charlie, K4OTV

-Original Message-
From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of James
Rodenkirch
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 4:43 PM
To: Charlie Cunningham; 'Paul Christensen'; topband@contesting.com
Subject: Re: Topband: Anyone have a boat load of J-310s?

I've found what I'll need, Charlie, courtesy of Andy Ikin!  Thanks to all
for the assistance on this project!  72, Jim Rodenkirch K9JWV

 From: charlie-cunning...@nc.rr.com
 To: w...@arrl.net; rodenkirch_...@msn.com; topband@contesting.com
 Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 15:55:21 -0400
 Subject: Re: Topband: Anyone have a boat load of J-310s?
 
 Jim,
 
 If you really have trouble getting some J-310s, let me know.  I'd really
 have to hunt -probably out in my garage. The J-310s that I have, if I
could
 find them, are, I expect, at least 20 years old and pre-date the
shenanigans
 that Paul is warning you about. The ones that I had, are, as I recall,
 either ON Semi or NSC.  I probably should find mine, I guess.  I bought
the
 JFET version of the old AMECO preamp, from my friend, Bill, K4CIA, so I
 might need some spares someday. The vacuum tube version of the AMECO
preamp
 didn't have those vulnerabilities, and worked great on all the low bands
up
 through 30m, for the same purpose that you are using yours for.
 
 Paul's giving you some good advice. That's why I asked if you had tried
 Digi-Key.  GL!
 
 73.
 Charlie, K4OTV
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Paul
 Christensen
 Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 2:44 PM
 To: James Rodenkirch; topband@contesting.com
 Subject: Re: Topband: Anyone have a boat load of J-310s?
 
 Jim,
 
 The major semiconductor manufacturers (e.g., Fairchild) who once 
 mass-produced JFETS in TO-92 style cases have now obsoleted most of
them. 
 This occurred approximately 2-3 years ago.  When shockwaves of the news
hit,
 
 many folks (and the on-line bottom feeders), started hoarding the
remaining 
 supply. Even the SMD versions are now in danger of going obsolete. 
 Presently, only InterFET Corporation and Linear Systems appear to be 
 manufacturing both through-hole and SMD versions of high-performance JFETs

 although their per-piece prices are very high.  Before the wave hit, I 
 purchased hundreds of various JFETs in TO-92 style cases -- J310s being
one 
 type.  You're welcome a to a few.  True, in many applications it may not 
 make a big difference between say a J310 and MPF-102, but it unnerves me 
 when I don't know exactly what I'm using in a circuit.
 
 Be careful when sourcing any semiconductor. As you noticed, JFETs are
widely
 
 available on the Asian market but when making a purchase through small 
 on-line retailers - and the big auction site, it's not possible to trace
the
 
 supply chain of the component to its origin.  For example, some Toshiba 
 low-noise bipolar transistors are in fact re-labeled 2N3904 devices.
Unless
 
 the purchaser has access to a curve tracer and a means to perform critical

 noise and frequency response testing, one is left to trust the seller for
a 
 clean chain of custody between the time of manufacture and point of
sale. 
 When China is the only source of many TO-92 JFETs, the red flags are up
(no 
 pun intended).  Because of this, I have only purchased semiconductors
direct
 
 from the OEM or through well-established distributors including Newark, 
 Mouser, Digi-Key, Arrow, AvNet, and Allied.  For an interesting
perspective 
 concerning the severity of the counterfeit semiconductor market, see the 
 following report issued by the Semiconductor Industry Association (SIA):
 
 http://tinyurl.com/l9hqpw6
 
 Let me know if you're address is currently good on QRZ.
 
 Paul, W9AC
 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: James Rodenkirch rodenkirch_...@msn.com
 To: topband@contesting.com
 Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 9:16 AM
 Subject: Topband: Anyone have a boat load of J-310s?
 
 
 
  The J-310s in my little preamp are kaput - I looked at Mouser but the 
  shipping costs are way too high for a couple of little Jfets - any body 
  have lots of extra J-310 (or equivalent) they could spare? What ever
your 
  costs would be, including mailing them off, would be far cheaper than
what
 
  it would cost me to buy them outright!
 
  Thank you, in advance, for any help -- reply off line works good for 
  me72, Jim Rodenkirch
 
  _
  Topband Reflector 
 
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Re: Topband: Anyone have a boat load of J-310s?

2013-08-25 Thread Andy Ikin
Thirty years ago I used 6DJ8 (E88CC) to solve a third order IMD problem with 
tuned loop that was using J310s.


The IMD was caused by Radio Free Europe on 13m.

73

Andrew
- Original Message - 
From: Charlie Cunningham charlie-cunning...@nc.rr.com
To: 'Andy Ikin' andrew.i...@btopenworld.com; 'Topband Reflector' 
topband@contesting.com

Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 9:14 PM
Subject: Re: Topband: Anyone have a boat load of J-310s?


Of course,  a 12AT7, or better, a 6DJ8, would be excellent preamps as 
well,
and aren't so sensitive to transients etc.  :-)  (Showing my age, I 
guess!)


-Original Message-
From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Andy 
Ikin

Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 3:58 PM
To: Topband Reflector
Subject: Re: Topband: Anyone have a boat load of J-310s?

As far as am aware On-Semi still make the TO-92  J310. Fairchild ceased
production about 2 years back. I did a last time buy from Mouser for 
several


thousand J310 and the much more linear J309.

73

Andrew Ikin G8LUG


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Re: Topband: Anyone have a boat load of J-310s?

2013-08-25 Thread Charlie Cunningham
Yes, we could swing the grids of those tubes quite a ways before
encountering enough non-linearity to produce a significant amount of
intermod, Andy!  The old original AMECO tunable vacuum -tube preamp, that I
borrowed from Bill, K4CIA, worked really well with my KAZ terminated RX loop
for the low bands. It was  connected to the receive antenna port on my
FT-1000MP, so I wasn't blowing FETs!

My electronic design career began before the end of the vacuum-tube era, and
I used the 6DJ8 commercially in some VHF monitor receivers, as a cascode RF
stage in the front-end.

73,
Charlie, K4OTV


-Original Message-
From: Andy Ikin [mailto:andrew.i...@btopenworld.com] 
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 5:16 PM
To: Charlie Cunningham
Cc: Topband Reflector
Subject: Re: Topband: Anyone have a boat load of J-310s?

Thirty years ago I used 6DJ8 (E88CC) to solve a third order IMD problem with
tuned loop that was using J310s.

The IMD was caused by Radio Free Europe on 13m.

73

Andrew
- Original Message -
From: Charlie Cunningham charlie-cunning...@nc.rr.com
To: 'Andy Ikin' andrew.i...@btopenworld.com; 'Topband Reflector' 
topband@contesting.com
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 9:14 PM
Subject: Re: Topband: Anyone have a boat load of J-310s?


 Of course,  a 12AT7, or better, a 6DJ8, would be excellent preamps as 
 well,
 and aren't so sensitive to transients etc.  :-)  (Showing my age, I 
 guess!)

 -Original Message-
 From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Andy 
 Ikin
 Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 3:58 PM
 To: Topband Reflector
 Subject: Re: Topband: Anyone have a boat load of J-310s?

 As far as am aware On-Semi still make the TO-92  J310. Fairchild ceased
 production about 2 years back. I did a last time buy from Mouser for 
 several

 thousand J310 and the much more linear J309.

 73

 Andrew Ikin G8LUG


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 Topband Reflector

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Re: Topband: Anyone have a boat load of J-310s?

2013-08-25 Thread Andy Ikin

Charlie,

When I was poor man 40 years ago, I always wanted  Tektronix 545B Scope, 
which I couldn't afford. So I built a Chinese Copy with discarded parts 
from the Calibration department of the computer company I worked for. The 
scope use many 6DJ8s. I did get it working after about a year; not bad for 
some one with no formal electronics training Tektronix were very helpful 
in supplying some critical parts. Looking back I must have been mad, but it 
was one hell of away to learn how these things work.


Bye the way I manufacture a special Head Amplifier for the KAZ and other 
Flags. This has 1100 Ohm input matching/isolation transformer, about 20dB 
gain and a less than 1dB NF and uses 8 x J309s plus a string of 1N4148 
limiting diodes. Wellbrook FLG100LN. There are about 70 units in service 
mainly in the US with MW Dxers.



73

Andrew G8LUG

- Original Message - 
From: Charlie Cunningham charlie-cunning...@nc.rr.com

To: 'Andy Ikin' andrew.i...@btopenworld.com
Cc: 'Topband Reflector' topband@contesting.com
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 10:29 PM
Subject: Re: Topband: Anyone have a boat load of J-310s?



Yes, we could swing the grids of those tubes quite a ways before
encountering enough non-linearity to produce a significant amount of
intermod, Andy!  The old original AMECO tunable vacuum -tube preamp, that 
I
borrowed from Bill, K4CIA, worked really well with my KAZ terminated RX 
loop

for the low bands. It was  connected to the receive antenna port on my
FT-1000MP, so I wasn't blowing FETs!

My electronic design career began before the end of the vacuum-tube era, 
and
I used the 6DJ8 commercially in some VHF monitor receivers, as a cascode 
RF

stage in the front-end.

73,
Charlie, K4OTV


-Original Message-
From: Andy Ikin [mailto:andrew.i...@btopenworld.com]
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 5:16 PM
To: Charlie Cunningham
Cc: Topband Reflector
Subject: Re: Topband: Anyone have a boat load of J-310s?

Thirty years ago I used 6DJ8 (E88CC) to solve a third order IMD problem 
with

tuned loop that was using J310s.

The IMD was caused by Radio Free Europe on 13m.

73

Andrew
- Original Message -
From: Charlie Cunningham charlie-cunning...@nc.rr.com
To: 'Andy Ikin' andrew.i...@btopenworld.com; 'Topband Reflector'
topband@contesting.com
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 9:14 PM
Subject: Re: Topband: Anyone have a boat load of J-310s?



Of course,  a 12AT7, or better, a 6DJ8, would be excellent preamps as
well,
and aren't so sensitive to transients etc.  :-)  (Showing my age, I
guess!)

-Original Message-
From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Andy
Ikin
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 3:58 PM
To: Topband Reflector
Subject: Re: Topband: Anyone have a boat load of J-310s?

As far as am aware On-Semi still make the TO-92  J310. Fairchild ceased
production about 2 years back. I did a last time buy from Mouser for
several

thousand J310 and the much more linear J309.

73

Andrew Ikin G8LUG


_
Topband Reflector

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Re: Topband: Anyone have a boat load of J-310s?

2013-08-25 Thread Charlie Cunningham
Gee, that's really interesting, Andy!  I also built a much simpler
oscilloscope when I was a teenager and new ham! Yours was a really elaborate
and impressive 'scope project! Congrats!

Glad to hear from someone who has experience with the KAZ and flag antennas.
My KAZ was for 160 and terminated in 1000 ohms - mostly because that's what
I had on hand. It was a very good RX antenna for 80, 40 and 30m as well.

Your preamp sounds very interesting!  It must be fairly elaborate, if it
uses 8 of the J309 FETS! I'd be interested in the circuit!

Best regards,
Charlie, K4OTV

-Original Message-
From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Andy Ikin
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 6:32 PM
To: Charlie Cunningham
Cc: Topband Reflector
Subject: Re: Topband: Anyone have a boat load of J-310s?

Charlie,

When I was poor man 40 years ago, I always wanted  Tektronix 545B Scope, 
which I couldn't afford. So I built a Chinese Copy with discarded parts 
from the Calibration department of the computer company I worked for. The 
scope use many 6DJ8s. I did get it working after about a year; not bad for 
some one with no formal electronics training Tektronix were very helpful

in supplying some critical parts. Looking back I must have been mad, but it 
was one hell of away to learn how these things work.

Bye the way I manufacture a special Head Amplifier for the KAZ and other 
Flags. This has 1100 Ohm input matching/isolation transformer, about 20dB 
gain and a less than 1dB NF and uses 8 x J309s plus a string of 1N4148 
limiting diodes. Wellbrook FLG100LN. There are about 70 units in service 
mainly in the US with MW Dxers.


73

Andrew G8LUG

- Original Message - 
From: Charlie Cunningham charlie-cunning...@nc.rr.com
To: 'Andy Ikin' andrew.i...@btopenworld.com
Cc: 'Topband Reflector' topband@contesting.com
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 10:29 PM
Subject: Re: Topband: Anyone have a boat load of J-310s?


 Yes, we could swing the grids of those tubes quite a ways before
 encountering enough non-linearity to produce a significant amount of
 intermod, Andy!  The old original AMECO tunable vacuum -tube preamp, that 
 I
 borrowed from Bill, K4CIA, worked really well with my KAZ terminated RX 
 loop
 for the low bands. It was  connected to the receive antenna port on my
 FT-1000MP, so I wasn't blowing FETs!

 My electronic design career began before the end of the vacuum-tube era, 
 and
 I used the 6DJ8 commercially in some VHF monitor receivers, as a cascode 
 RF
 stage in the front-end.

 73,
 Charlie, K4OTV


 -Original Message-
 From: Andy Ikin [mailto:andrew.i...@btopenworld.com]
 Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 5:16 PM
 To: Charlie Cunningham
 Cc: Topband Reflector
 Subject: Re: Topband: Anyone have a boat load of J-310s?

 Thirty years ago I used 6DJ8 (E88CC) to solve a third order IMD problem 
 with
 tuned loop that was using J310s.

 The IMD was caused by Radio Free Europe on 13m.

 73

 Andrew
 - Original Message -
 From: Charlie Cunningham charlie-cunning...@nc.rr.com
 To: 'Andy Ikin' andrew.i...@btopenworld.com; 'Topband Reflector'
 topband@contesting.com
 Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 9:14 PM
 Subject: Re: Topband: Anyone have a boat load of J-310s?


 Of course,  a 12AT7, or better, a 6DJ8, would be excellent preamps as
 well,
 and aren't so sensitive to transients etc.  :-)  (Showing my age, I
 guess!)

 -Original Message-
 From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Andy
 Ikin
 Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 3:58 PM
 To: Topband Reflector
 Subject: Re: Topband: Anyone have a boat load of J-310s?

 As far as am aware On-Semi still make the TO-92  J310. Fairchild ceased
 production about 2 years back. I did a last time buy from Mouser for
 several

 thousand J310 and the much more linear J309.

 73

 Andrew Ikin G8LUG


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Re: Topband: Anyone have a boat load of J-310s?

2013-08-25 Thread Bill Cromwell

On 08/25/2013 06:31 PM, Andy Ikin wrote:

Charlie,

When I was poor man 40 years ago, I always wanted  Tektronix 545B 
Scope, which I couldn't afford. So I built a Chinese Copy with 
discarded parts from the Calibration department of the computer 
company I worked for. The scope use many 6DJ8s. I did get it working 
after about a year; not bad for some one with no formal electronics 
training Tektronix were very helpful in supplying some critical 
parts. Looking back I must have been mad, but it was one hell of away 
to learn how these things work.


Bye the way I manufacture a special Head Amplifier for the KAZ and 
other Flags. This has 1100 Ohm input matching/isolation transformer, 
about 20dB gain and a less than 1dB NF and uses 8 x J309s plus a 
string of 1N4148 limiting diodes. Wellbrook FLG100LN. There are about 
70 units in service mainly in the US with MW Dxers.



73

Andrew G8LUG

Hi Andrew,

When we build our own gear we do learn a lot. The first gear I built was 
a V-O-M in a cigar box. I was around about 13 and somebody gave me meter 
movement. Cigar boxes were free and so were junk televisions and radios. 
The ARRL handbook was over at the library. I didn't have a mode switch 
or a range switch but plugged resistors into an octal socket to make up 
each mode/range. I used it for almost two years before I got a *real* 
V-O-M. The real one was a little more accurate and a lot more convenient 
to use. But to this day I am familiar with how voltmeters work! That was 
about 50 years ago... I'm 66 now.


73,

Bill  KU8H
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Re: Topband: Anyone have a boat load of J-310s?

2013-08-25 Thread Mike(W5UC) Kathy (K5MWH)

On 8/25/2013 6:29 PM, Charlie Cunningham wrote:

Gee, that's really interesting, Andy!  I also built a much simpler
oscilloscope when I was a teenager and new ham! Yours was a really elaborate
and impressive 'scope project! Congrats!

Glad to hear from someone who has experience with the KAZ and flag antennas.
My KAZ was for 160 and terminated in 1000 ohms - mostly because that's what
I had on hand. It was a very good RX antenna for 80, 40 and 30m as well.

Your preamp sounds very interesting!  It must be fairly elaborate, if it
uses 8 of the J309 FETS! I'd be interested in the circuit!

Best regards,
Charlie, K4OTV

-Original Message-
From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Andy Ikin
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 6:32 PM
To: Charlie Cunningham
Cc: Topband Reflector
Subject: Re: Topband: Anyone have a boat load of J-310s?

Charlie,

When I was poor man 40 years ago, I always wanted  Tektronix 545B Scope,
which I couldn't afford. So I built a Chinese Copy with discarded parts
from the Calibration department of the computer company I worked for. The
scope use many 6DJ8s. I did get it working after about a year; not bad for
some one with no formal electronics training Tektronix were very helpful

in supplying some critical parts. Looking back I must have been mad, but it
was one hell of away to learn how these things work.

Bye the way I manufacture a special Head Amplifier for the KAZ and other
Flags. This has 1100 Ohm input matching/isolation transformer, about 20dB
gain and a less than 1dB NF and uses 8 x J309s plus a string of 1N4148
limiting diodes. Wellbrook FLG100LN. There are about 70 units in service
mainly in the US with MW Dxers.


73

Andrew G8LUG


Andrew, i used a antenna similar to the KAZ when I first was on 160, 
except I fed it in the middle of the horizontal bottom leg(6 inches 
above ground) just like a K9AY, using a 9:1 xfrmr.


It worked like a dream.  I used two mounted at right angles just like a 
K9AY and rigged it to work in 4 directions like a K9AY,  1000 ohm 
termination worked great.


http://www.suddenlink.net/pages/w5uc/160.html#The%20K9AY%20Type%20Array

73,

Mike, W5UC




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