Re: Topband: FT8: Making it too easy?

[Mike Waters]

On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 7:59 PM, W0MU Mike Fatchett  wrote:

> ... Some people like running 5kw to work dx ...


5 kW. Hmm...To quote one Topbander (who shall forever remain anonymous),
"If you can't make it with ten thousand watts, it's just not amateur radio!
(It's been *many* decades since ... never mind. ;-)

My biggest thrill, right after I first put up my 160m Inverted-L --with two
opposed N-S 10' high λ/4 elevated radials-- was breaking a huge DX pileup
WITH ONLY 100 WATTS!  Later, I ran more power with a modified SB-200. I now
can run the legal limit (and probably 2500w if I wanted to, but don't). But
after that, I began to understand the thrill of QRP that others talk about.

In the next ~6 weeks, I hope to have that back up again. It'll be in a CW
contest, and a lot of that will be 100 watts or even less. How else can I
see how well my station is working?

I don't know --or care-- what others run (mode or power). *Can we do
anything about it?!*

73, Mike
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Re: Topband: FT8: Making it too easy?

[W0MU Mike Fatchett]

Some people would prefer the machine gun method.  We are all different, 
thankfully.


Some people like running 5kw to work dx and yes it happens every single 
day and many countries and others will go for QRP and every iteration 
between.


I guess I missed your point.

W0MU


On 10/26/2017 12:12 PM, Mark K3MSB wrote:

Hi Vince

Well, you could use a machine gun instead of a bow and arrow to bag the
“big one” and hang it’s head on the wall,  but it wouldn’t be quite the
same, now would it?

What’s the difference in rolling up to the ice-cream hop in your 1962 Coupe
DeVille convertible that you just cut a check for,  or rolling up in one
that you’ve spent years restoring?

I think that pretty much answers your question.

73 Mark K3MSB



On Oct 26, 2017 1:45 PM, "DXer"  wrote:


For those that say FT8 makes it too easy to win awards, climb the DXCC
ladder, or make it into the HR.

May I ask what the reason is for going to the trouble, and expense, of
purchasing the best transceivers, installing towers, beams, and amps?

How is your operating enhanced, if not by making it easier to 'bag' that
difficult entity?

Wouldn't a DXCC award be more valuable if earned with a galena receiver,
and an indoor random wire?

73 de Vince, VA3VF
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Re: Topband: FT8: Making it too easy?

[DXer]

A remote they did not build, but can be used for free is ok? :^)

That's like going to a friend's house to work the DX from there, perfectly
'legal', but not something that attracts me.

Let's not add any more variables. It's 'complicated' enough with all the
narcissism going around.

This is a great hobby, enjoy it!!!

73 de Vince, VA3VF


On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 3:02 PM, Mark K3MSB  wrote:

> Only if they used a credit card and a remote station that they didn't
> build!
>
> 73 Mark K3MSB
>
> On Oct 26, 2017 2:28 PM, "DXer"  wrote:
>
> Hi Mark,
>
> So, if I use the same 'rational' some people here seems to use, those DXCC
> awards earned with full legal power, multiple towers, beams, and amps,
> should really be a mark of shame on their holders?  :^)
>
> There is no one way, your way, yes, but not only one way.
>
> 73 de Vince, VA3VF
>
>
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Re: Topband: FT8: Making it too easy?

[Raoul Coetzee via Topband]

 I would like to know if FT8 also uses the same "Deep Search" as JT65.If it 
does, read this and decide if it is for you.

JT65, is it doing what we want it to do?


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Raoul ZS1C
On Thursday, October 26, 2017, 8:36:27 PM GMT+2, DXer 
 wrote:  
 
 Hi Mark,

So, if I use the same 'rational' some people here seems to use, those DXCC
awards earned with full legal power, multiple towers, beams, and amps,
should really be a mark of shame on their holders?  :^)

There is no one way, your way, yes, but not only one way.

73 de Vince, VA3VF



On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 2:12 PM, Mark K3MSB  wrote:

> Hi Vince
>
> Well, you could use a machine gun instead of a bow and arrow to bag the
> “big one” and hang it’s head on the wall,  but it wouldn’t be quite the
> same, now would it?
>
> What’s the difference in rolling up to the ice-cream hop in your 1962
> Coupe DeVille convertible that you just cut a check for,  or rolling up in
> one that you’ve spent years restoring?
>
> I think that pretty much answers your question.
>
> 73 Mark K3MSB
>
>
>
> On Oct 26, 2017 1:45 PM, "DXer"  wrote:
>
>> For those that say FT8 makes it too easy to win awards, climb the DXCC
>> ladder, or make it into the HR.
>>
>> May I ask what the reason is for going to the trouble, and expense, of
>> purchasing the best transceivers, installing towers, beams, and amps?
>>
>> How is your operating enhanced, if not by making it easier to 'bag' that
>> difficult entity?
>>
>> Wouldn't a DXCC award be more valuable if earned with a galena receiver,
>> and an indoor random wire?
>>
>> 73 de Vince, VA3VF
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Re: Topband: FT8: Making it too easy?

[Mark K3MSB]

Only if they used a credit card and a remote station that they didn't
build!

73 Mark K3MSB

On Oct 26, 2017 2:28 PM, "DXer"  wrote:

Hi Mark,

So, if I use the same 'rational' some people here seems to use, those DXCC
awards earned with full legal power, multiple towers, beams, and amps,
should really be a mark of shame on their holders?  :^)

There is no one way, your way, yes, but not only one way.

73 de Vince, VA3VF



On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 2:12 PM, Mark K3MSB  wrote:

> Hi Vince
>
> Well, you could use a machine gun instead of a bow and arrow to bag the
> “big one” and hang it’s head on the wall,  but it wouldn’t be quite the
> same, now would it?
>
> What’s the difference in rolling up to the ice-cream hop in your 1962
> Coupe DeVille convertible that you just cut a check for,  or rolling up in
> one that you’ve spent years restoring?
>
> I think that pretty much answers your question.
>
> 73 Mark K3MSB
>
>
>
> On Oct 26, 2017 1:45 PM, "DXer"  wrote:
>
>> For those that say FT8 makes it too easy to win awards, climb the DXCC
>> ladder, or make it into the HR.
>>
>> May I ask what the reason is for going to the trouble, and expense, of
>> purchasing the best transceivers, installing towers, beams, and amps?
>>
>> How is your operating enhanced, if not by making it easier to 'bag' that
>> difficult entity?
>>
>> Wouldn't a DXCC award be more valuable if earned with a galena receiver,
>> and an indoor random wire?
>>
>> 73 de Vince, VA3VF
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Re: Topband: FT8: Making it too easy?

[DXer]

Hi Mark,

So, if I use the same 'rational' some people here seems to use, those DXCC
awards earned with full legal power, multiple towers, beams, and amps,
should really be a mark of shame on their holders?  :^)

There is no one way, your way, yes, but not only one way.

73 de Vince, VA3VF



On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 2:12 PM, Mark K3MSB  wrote:

> Hi Vince
>
> Well, you could use a machine gun instead of a bow and arrow to bag the
> “big one” and hang it’s head on the wall,  but it wouldn’t be quite the
> same, now would it?
>
> What’s the difference in rolling up to the ice-cream hop in your 1962
> Coupe DeVille convertible that you just cut a check for,  or rolling up in
> one that you’ve spent years restoring?
>
> I think that pretty much answers your question.
>
> 73 Mark K3MSB
>
>
>
> On Oct 26, 2017 1:45 PM, "DXer"  wrote:
>
>> For those that say FT8 makes it too easy to win awards, climb the DXCC
>> ladder, or make it into the HR.
>>
>> May I ask what the reason is for going to the trouble, and expense, of
>> purchasing the best transceivers, installing towers, beams, and amps?
>>
>> How is your operating enhanced, if not by making it easier to 'bag' that
>> difficult entity?
>>
>> Wouldn't a DXCC award be more valuable if earned with a galena receiver,
>> and an indoor random wire?
>>
>> 73 de Vince, VA3VF
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Re: Topband: FT8: Making it too easy?

[Mark K3MSB]

Hi Vince

Well, you could use a machine gun instead of a bow and arrow to bag the
“big one” and hang it’s head on the wall,  but it wouldn’t be quite the
same, now would it?

What’s the difference in rolling up to the ice-cream hop in your 1962 Coupe
DeVille convertible that you just cut a check for,  or rolling up in one
that you’ve spent years restoring?

I think that pretty much answers your question.

73 Mark K3MSB



On Oct 26, 2017 1:45 PM, "DXer"  wrote:

> For those that say FT8 makes it too easy to win awards, climb the DXCC
> ladder, or make it into the HR.
>
> May I ask what the reason is for going to the trouble, and expense, of
> purchasing the best transceivers, installing towers, beams, and amps?
>
> How is your operating enhanced, if not by making it easier to 'bag' that
> difficult entity?
>
> Wouldn't a DXCC award be more valuable if earned with a galena receiver,
> and an indoor random wire?
>
> 73 de Vince, VA3VF
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Topband: FT8: Making it too easy?

[DXer]

For those that say FT8 makes it too easy to win awards, climb the DXCC
ladder, or make it into the HR.

May I ask what the reason is for going to the trouble, and expense, of
purchasing the best transceivers, installing towers, beams, and amps?

How is your operating enhanced, if not by making it easier to 'bag' that
difficult entity?

Wouldn't a DXCC award be more valuable if earned with a galena receiver,
and an indoor random wire?

73 de Vince, VA3VF
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