Re: Topband: FT8 vs other modes - my numbers.

2019-02-03 Thread Arthur Delibert
Well said. Thank you. From: Topband on behalf of Cecil Acuff Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2019 7:06 PM To: DXer Cc: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: FT8 vs other modes - my numbers. Yeah the elitist attitude of CW being the only thing that’s real

Re: Topband: FT8 vs other modes - my numbers.

2019-02-03 Thread Cecil Acuff
Yeah the elitist attitude of CW being the only thing that’s real that seems to permeate this list at times is quite stale. I work CW, SSB, RTTY, FT8whatever gets the contact in the log...it’s all radiotake the radio away or have Mother Nature take the path down and nothing gets

Topband: FT8 vs other modes - my numbers.

2019-02-03 Thread DXer
Tim, You wrote in your reply to Mike, W0MU: >...you are buying into a myth that both supporters and detractors of FT8 perpetuate. The myth that FT8 is superior for DX'ing, to other modes. With all due respect, I think you are 'buying' into the 'red herring' that some are using to 'bad

Re: Topband: FT8 vs other modes - my numbers

2019-02-03 Thread Jeff Blaine
Tim, My take on the popularity is explained this way.  FT8 has an SNR advantage over CW of around 5 dB, PSK31 - about 10 dB and SSB of more than 15 dB.  So for a given set of link conditions, FT8 result in a Q in the log more often than the other modes. Add in the poor prop conditions and

Re: Topband: FT8 vs other modes - my numbers

2019-02-03 Thread Tim Shoppa
Mike, you are buying into a myth that both supporters and detractors of FT8 perpetuate. The myth that FT8 is superior for DX'ing, to other modes. 2018 was my "year of FT8". I participated in several on-air WSJT new feature tests including DXpedition mode testing. I spent the vast majority of my

Re: Topband: FT8 vs other modes - my numbers

2019-02-02 Thread W0MU Mike Fatchett
FT8 was not created to be a rate mode.  It is a weak signal mode.  For those of us a long way from the East Coast and salt it allows us to work stations that we probably had very little shot of working without FT8. Productive in what way?  To work new ones?  Check!    DXing is not necessarily

Topband: FT8 vs other modes - my numbers

2019-02-01 Thread Tim Shoppa
There are some untrue things being assumed here, as if they are advantages to FT8 that make FT8 be a more productive mode for DX'ing. In fact FT8 is the least productive of all modes I used in 2018. And I was on FT8 a lot in 2018. I tried hard to be productive in FT8 - measured in Q's per hour,