Re: Topband: Inverted L SWR Jumps ???

2012-11-28 Thread Jeff Woods
The inverted L loads just fine to about 700 watts and then causes the Alpha amp to fault out. I think I am getting a sudden change in antenna impedance. The antenna is fed through a 5 KW rated choke balun. The feed line exits the base between radials. Remove the balun.  It's not doing

Re: Topband: Inverted L SWR Jumps ???

2012-11-28 Thread Tom W8JI
The sloper loads fine all the way up to 1500 watts. The inverted L loads just fine to about 700 watts and then causes the Alpha amp to fault out. I think I am getting a sudden change in antenna impedance. The antenna is fed through a 5 KW rated choke balun. The feed line exits the base between

Re: Topband: Inverted L SWR Jumps ???

2012-11-28 Thread HAROLD SMITH JR
The sloper loads fine all the way up to 1500 watts. The inverted L loads just fine to about 700 watts and then causes the Alpha amp to fault out. I think I am getting a sudden change in antenna impedance. The antenna is fed through a 5 KW rated choke balun. The feed line exits the base

Re: Topband: Inverted L SWR Jumps ???

2012-11-28 Thread Jack Henry, OA4TT
through a 3 inch  diameter branch. So there is a possibility this might be the problem depending on how your wire is routed. 73  Jack --- On Tue, 11/27/12, Ashton Lee ashton.r@hotmail.com wrote: From: Ashton Lee ashton.r@hotmail.com Subject: Topband: Inverted L SWR Jumps ??? To: topband

Re: Topband: Inverted L SWR Jumps ???

2012-11-28 Thread Charles W. Shaw
Ash, You said, I've replaced every component in the system except for the antenna wire. Also, if the antenna wire is (or is partly) an insulated variety, it is possible to have an open fault inside a good exterior insulation. Charles - N5UL Hobbs, NM

Re: Topband: Inverted L SWR Jumps ???

2012-11-28 Thread Tom W8JI
Remove the balun. It's not doing anything for your and is a potential source of loss and problems. Coaxial cable is unbalanced, as is a ground-fed inverted L. No need for a balun. Unfortunately, that is not a universally true statement. MOST antennas are in a neither world of being neither

Re: Topband: Inverted L SWR Jumps ???

2012-11-28 Thread Ashton Lee
Ok, everyone thanks for all the help. I rebuilt the antenna from new wire, built a two insulator termination at the end of the horizontal section where the high voltage is, I rehung the new antenna so that it doesn't touch anything… and the problem persisted. I then looked into Tom W8JI's

Re: Topband: Inverted L SWR Jumps ???

2012-11-28 Thread Bob Eldridge
Tom: MOST antennas are in a neither world of being neither perfectly balanced nor perfectly unbalanced. How about an inverted L longer than 1/4 wave but optimized with series capacitor? Any closer to perfect unbalanced? Bob VE7BS ___ Topband

Re: Topband: Inverted L SWR Jumps ???

2012-11-28 Thread Jim Brown
On 11/27/2012 10:45 PM, Tim Duffy K3LR wrote: There is significant coupling between 160 meter antennas that are separated by as much as 500 feet YES! and this coupling could be problem for your set up. But it can also be a good thing if you know what you have and how to take advantage of

Re: Topband: Inverted L SWR Jumps ???

2012-11-28 Thread Jim Brown
On 11/28/2012 10:14 AM, Ashton Lee wrote: I rebuilt the antenna from new wire, built a two insulator termination at the end of the horizontal section where the high voltage is, One thing I observed here several years ago with a dipole with an end touching tree branches is arcing to the

Re: Topband: Inverted L SWR Jumps ???

2012-11-28 Thread DAVID CUTHBERT
W8JI solved another problem and saved someone much time and frustration. I'd like to thank Tom for the great help and knowledge he has imparted in me and many, many others over the years. In my expert opinion as an engineer he is one of just a very small number of super engineers I know. Dave

Re: Topband: Inverted L SWR Jumps ???

2012-11-28 Thread Mike Waters
I second that! Being acquainted with Tom over the years and reading his informative posts has wonderfully enriched my enjoyment of radio. :-) 73, Mike www.w0btu.com On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 1:56 PM, DAVID CUTHBERT telegraph...@gmail.comwrote: W8JI solved another problem and saved someone much

Re: Topband: Inverted L SWR Jumps ???

2012-11-28 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
The change in an overheating core has a swing to it and you can watch the SWR change, in a continuous fashion, while you are transmitting, while arcs exhibit sudden change. What you call imbalance was on purpose, but true. The more the radiating length of an antenna is shortened, the more severe

Re: Topband: Inverted L SWR Jumps ???

2012-11-28 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV
On 11/28/2012 1:14 PM, Ashton Lee wrote: I don't know why the issue only showed up on a single antenna of the many I have fed through that device. But it did. Simply because the ratio of voltage varies along the feedline if the SWR is anything other than a perfect 1:1. The feedline length and

Re: Topband: Inverted L SWR Jumps ???

2012-11-28 Thread Jeff Woods
-Jeff From: Tom W8JI w...@w8ji.com To: Jeff Woods jmwoo...@yahoo.com; Ashton Lee ashton.r@hotmail.com; topband@contesting.com Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 11:30 AM Subject: Re: Topband: Inverted L SWR Jumps ??? Remove the balun. It's not doing

Re: Topband: Inverted L SWR Jumps ???

2012-11-28 Thread Tom W8JI
Tom: MOST antennas are in a neither world of being neither perfectly balanced nor perfectly unbalanced. How about an inverted L longer than 1/4 wave but optimized with series capacitor? Any closer to perfect unbalanced? Bob VE7BS Hi Bob, Take the case of a 1/4 wave groundplane with four

Topband: Inverted L SWR Jumps ???

2012-11-27 Thread Ashton Lee
So I am trying to get set up better on 160 meters. I now have two antennas up (pretty well separated). One is an Alpha Delta DX A sloper hung in a tree with a grounding wire led to a ground rod and small radial field. The other is an inverted L on a good radial system of about 2000 feet in

Re: Topband: Inverted L SWR Jumps ???

2012-11-27 Thread Tim Duffy K3LR
could be problem for your set up. 73, Tim K3LR -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Ashton Lee Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 11:49 PM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Topband: Inverted L SWR Jumps ??? So I am trying to get set up