Re: Topband: Loop on the ground as a counterpoise

2020-05-06 Thread Lee STRAHAN
Greetings All, It seems this discussion has morphed into a discussion on ground planes for regular vertical antennas where if I read the authors description correctly he is using a Hi-Z amplifier. This may mean a whole different ground system would be very satisfactory. I believe it was

Re: Topband: Loop on the ground as a counterpoise

2020-05-06 Thread K4SAV
Another thought. Changing to a good ground system with a good choke at the antenna feedpoint will make your vertical omnidirectional, but that may not solve the noise problem,. You may need a directional receiving antenna to reduce it. Jerry, K4SAV On 5/6/2020 8:00 AM, K4SAV wrote:

Re: Topband: Loop on the ground as a counterpoise

2020-05-06 Thread K4SAV
Without more detail of your system, the cause is only a guess. Here are some possibilities. A single wire isn't much of a ground plane. It will make a vertical directional. When you change from a single wire to a different ground system you will change the antenna pattern. You should

Re: Topband: Loop on the ground as a counterpoise

2020-05-05 Thread donovanf
Chicken wire laid on the ground makes an excellent RF ground for Beverages and other antennas requiring a good RF ground. 73 Frank W3LPL - Original Message - From: "Nick Hall-Patch" To: "Chris Moulding" , topband@contesting.com Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2020 6:40:47 PM Subject:

Re: Topband: Loop on the ground as a counterpoise

2020-05-05 Thread shristov
The usual kind of field produces radial currents, and that's why we use radial wires. But what kind of field would make the current run in circles? Or is it that the only effective piece of wire is the radial one, connecting the loop to the coax shield? Perhaps we need a clear understanding

Topband: Loop on the ground as a counterpoise - update

2020-05-05 Thread Chris Moulding
I've modeled two versions of the High Z Antenna Amplifier with a 5m vertical element one with a 10m long loop counterpoise and the other with a 10m straight counterpoise. My version of 4NEC2 with NEC2 won't model it correctly close to ground but I've already spotted that it would be possible

Re: Topband: Loop on the ground as a counterpoise

2020-05-05 Thread Nick Hall-Patch
Your "loop ground" made me recall the US military "surface wire ground", Chris, which was (is?) used for mobile applications, and is often configured as a loop of wire, held down by metallic stakes, around a vehicle. Upon looking more closely,

Re: Topband: Loop on the ground as a counterpoise

2020-05-04 Thread Roy Koeppe
Reminiscent of the DDRR antenna? 73,  Roy   K6XK    Iowa On 5/4/2020 3:57 AM, Chris Moulding wrote: I've developed a High Z Antenna Amplifier for 160m and other HF use as previously mentioned on the list. Usually these would be used with a ground rod and 5m vertical element. With the

Topband: Loop on the ground as a counterpoise

2020-05-04 Thread Chris Moulding
I've developed a High Z Antenna Amplifier for 160m and other HF use as previously mentioned on the list. Usually these would be used with a ground rod and 5m vertical element. With the lockdown it's not possible to nip to the shops for a ground rod so I looked at supplying a 10m wire as a