Re: Topband: Non-resonant receive antennas

2014-12-21 Thread JC
Karlquist Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2014 4:49 PM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: Non-resonant receive antennas On 2014-12-20 13:06, Richard Jaeger wrote: I guess I should try a low dipole and see what happens. Dick, K4IQJ .. When talking about a low dipole, the question comes up

Re: Topband: Non-resonant receive antennas

2014-12-21 Thread Tom W8JI
When talking about a low dipole, the question comes up as to why it must be low to work. Actually we don't know that it must be low to work. Very few of us are in a position to put up a high dipole, so the question is basically moot. However, in an attempt to gauge the influence of height, I

Re: Topband: Non-resonant receive antennas

2014-12-21 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
On 12/21/2014 7:58 AM, JC wrote: This long answer is to validate your observation, resonant dipoles does not provide any difference in receiver performance than your vertical or TX antenna. I didn't say that. I said that there was no difference between a dipole at 30 feet and a dipole at

Re: Topband: Non-resonant receive antennas

2014-12-20 Thread Tom W8JI
This is almost the way it worked here just at sunrise, both transmitting and receiving, except after sunrise the vertical hung in longest here. The brief and unpredictable window of horizontal superiority at this location is why I eventually just let the horizontal antennas all fall apart.

Re: Topband: Non-resonant receive antennas

2014-12-20 Thread Richard Jaeger
John, My experience mirrors your comments. In the mornings to JA and VK on 160M, the signals are usually best on my end-fire loop arrays, but around SR there is often a rapid shift to my inverted L transmitting antenna. The signals may or may not hold up on the loops. I guess I should try a

Re: Topband: Non-resonant receive antennas

2014-12-20 Thread Richard Karlquist
On 2014-12-20 13:06, Richard Jaeger wrote: I guess I should try a low dipole and see what happens. Dick, K4IQJ .. When talking about a low dipole, the question comes up as to why it must be low to work. Actually we don't know that it must be low to work. Very few of us are in a position

Re: Topband: Non-resonant receive antennas

2014-12-19 Thread JC
Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of John Kaufmann Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 8:43 PM To: 'Top Band Contesting' Subject: Re: Topband: Non-resonant receive antennas A few years ago, I put up a low, non-resonant dipole, about 150 feet long and 10 feet high

Re: Topband: Non-resonant receive antennas

2014-12-19 Thread Paul Elliott
On a 120' x 120' electrically noisy city lot in SE NM I am considering, for receiving, attempting to maximize S/N ratio on DX signals by a method I have not seen discussed. As far as I can tell, the noise, while quite strong, is not coming from any discrete source/sources. My ear, which

Re: Topband: Non-resonant receive antennas

2014-12-19 Thread John Kaufmann
-Original Message- From: JC [mailto:n...@comcast.net] Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 5:15 PM To: 'John Kaufmann'; 'Top Band Contesting' Subject: RE: Topband: Non-resonant receive antennas Hi John What is the orientation of you low dipole? I assume similar to XZ0A it is broadside N-S. In 2010

Topband: Non-resonant receive antennas

2014-12-18 Thread James Rodenkirch
I noticed JC's comment below about a low dipole as a receiving antenna. Did I interpret that correctly? I've read of a Dipole on the ground as a low noise receive antenna for 160 but.can a non resonant dipole installed at low heights be better, as a receive antenna, than a vertical or

Re: Topband: Non-resonant receive antennas

2014-12-18 Thread Milt -- N5IA
dipole at XZ0A, send me a direct request. 73 de Milt, N5IA -Original Message- From: James Rodenkirch Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 7:26 AM To: Top Band Contesting Subject: Topband: Non-resonant receive antennas I noticed JC's comment below about a low dipole as a receiving

Re: Topband: Non-resonant receive antennas

2014-12-18 Thread JC
dipole at XZ0A, send me a direct request. 73 de Milt, N5IA -Original Message- From: James Rodenkirch Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 7:26 AM To: Top Band Contesting Subject: Topband: Non-resonant receive antennas I noticed JC's comment below about a low dipole as a receiving antenna

Re: Topband: Non-resonant receive antennas

2014-12-18 Thread James Wolf
Not wanting to distract from this thread too much, but I'd like to ask a question of the group. If one had the opportunity to install two receiving antennas (such as loops EWE's etc.) for Topband in either a series or parallel configuration, which would be preferred. Since Rick correctly stated

Re: Topband: Non-resonant receive antennas

2014-12-18 Thread JC
Since Rick correctly stated that RDF doesn't account Jim RDF is everything ! The RX antenna system is the only way to improve signal to noise ratio. All electronic device is not perfect and introduce noise and deteriorate the signal to noise ratio, including your radio too RDF is one way

Re: Topband: Non-resonant receive antennas

2014-12-18 Thread James Wolf
Thanks JC, I agree that the RDF number is significant when evaluating a receive antenna. I agree that no one antenna system will work all of the time. Consider we have two scenarios: One RX antenna system that consists of two parallel antennas (Broadside) , and the other is the same antenna

Re: Topband: Non-resonant receive antennas

2014-12-18 Thread Tom W8JI
Since Rick correctly stated that RDF doesn't account Jim RDF is everything ! The RX antenna system is the only way to improve signal to noise ratio. All electronic device is not perfect and introduce noise and deteriorate the signal to noise ratio, including your radio too RDF is one way

Re: Topband: Non-resonant receive antennas

2014-12-18 Thread Lee K7TJR
[mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of James Wolf Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 10:30 AM To: 'JC'; 'Top Band Contesting' Subject: Re: Topband: Non-resonant receive antennas Thanks JC, I agree that the RDF number is significant when evaluating a receive antenna. I agree that no one

Re: Topband: Non-resonant receive antennas

2014-12-18 Thread JC
other, hard to pick one. 73's JC N4IS -Original Message- From: James Wolf [mailto:jbw...@comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 1:30 PM To: 'JC'; 'Top Band Contesting' Subject: RE: Topband: Non-resonant receive antennas Thanks JC, I agree that the RDF number is significant

Re: Topband: Non-resonant receive antennas

2014-12-18 Thread John Kaufmann
A few years ago, I put up a low, non-resonant dipole, about 150 feet long and 10 feet high for use as an auxiliary receiving antenna on 160. My main receiving antenna was and still is an array of short verticals. What I found at my W1 location after I installed the dipole is similar to what N5IA