Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers DX Expedition finances

2015-02-07 Thread Victor Goncharsky
Garry, In the good old days when I was learning the art of ham radio from Don Miller's DX and contest operations and my Dad UB5WF, I've got an idea of the ham spirit that makes all of us equal under the Sun. This is the corner stone of our hobby - the equality, no matter how much one's paid

Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers DX Expedition finances

2015-02-07 Thread Doug Renwick
The point that Garry is making, he did it very well, is that EU as a group should contribute more than what they are presently doing. And he is right. Doug -Original Message- Garry, In the good old days when I was learning the art of ham radio from Don Miller's DX and contest

Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers DX Expedition finances

2015-02-07 Thread Larry Burke
7:44 AM To: Doug Renwick Cc: Victor Goncharsky; Garry Shapiro; topBand List Subject: Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers DX Expedition finances I turn on the news every day and hear about EU economic woes. What's wrong with the Marshall Plan for DX? Just as NA (not just EU) benefited economically

Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers DX Expedition finances

2015-02-07 Thread Doug Renwick
Tim those are kind thoughts. But let me ask 'how much do you contribute in $. As those who watch our governments see it is easy for them to give away other people's money. EU economic woes are self inflicted! How many times does EU need to be bailed out? Forever? I am not American but I

Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers DX Expedition finances

2015-02-07 Thread Tim Shoppa
I turn on the news every day and hear about EU economic woes. What's wrong with the Marshall Plan for DX? Just as NA (not just EU) benefited economically from the real Marshall plan (I explain it to my kids using their language as a kickstarter for EU-NA trade), NA guys benefit every time an

Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers DX Expedition finances

2015-02-07 Thread Don Greenbaum
are usually everyday. It certainly has an effect on where the QSOs are made. 73, Larry W6NWS -Original Message- From: Doug Renwick Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2015 8:36 AM To: 'Victor Goncharsky' ; ga...@ni6t.com ; topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers DX Expedition

Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers DX Expedition finances

2015-02-07 Thread Larry
...@ni6t.com ; topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers DX Expedition finances The point that Garry is making, he did it very well, is that EU as a group should contribute more than what they are presently doing. And he is right. Doug -Original Message- Garry

Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers DX Expedition finances

2015-02-06 Thread Garry Shapiro
be 73 dado E74AW -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Larry Sent: Friday, 06 February, 2015 04:28 To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers Someone did a more extensive analysis of several DXpeditions

Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers DX Expedition finances

2015-02-06 Thread Dragoslav Balaban
-Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Larry Sent: Friday, 06 February, 2015 04:28 To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers Someone did a more extensive analysis of several DXpeditions maybe 2 or 3 years ago

Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers DX Expedition finances

2015-02-06 Thread Fortra
, February 06, 2015 12:55 PM Subject: Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers DX Expedition finances It appears to be the case that NA finances the big trips and EU gets the Q's. That needs to be ironed out. Garry while EU hams are very demanding, they don't do much to contribute to the cost

Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers - DXPedition Funding

2015-02-06 Thread Mike Cizek
NA puts up the largest percentage of the funds but doesn't get that percentage in Q's. I forget which group it was posted in. 73, Larry W6NWS -Original Message- From: Garry Shapiro Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2015 8:43 PM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn

Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers

2015-02-05 Thread Jan Erik Holm
On 2015-02-05 08:30, Jim Brown wrote: On Wed,2/4/2015 10:51 PM, Jan Erik Holm wrote: Sorry if I´m a PITA right now but why even bother to have this debate about K1N on 160, it´s not even DX to NA, like a local station almost. That depends on where in NA you are -- it's pretty big. I'm 5 miles

Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers

2015-02-05 Thread Larry
- From: Garry Shapiro Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2015 8:43 PM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers It appears to be the case that NA finances the big trips and EU gets the Q's. That needs to be ironed out. Garry On 2/5/2015 11:32 AM, Jim Brown wrote: On Thu

Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers

2015-02-05 Thread Fortra
Lou, is that what you have said, an argument ? Let us wait a week, and then we will judge... 73's Nermin S58DX - Original Message - From: KE1F Lou lmecs...@cfl.rr.com To: topband@contesting.com Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2015 12:51 PM Subject: Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers

Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers

2015-02-05 Thread Don Kirk
. N7RT - Original Message - From: Richard (Rick) Karlquist rich...@karlquist.com To: ws6x@gmail.com; topband@contesting.com Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 4:51 PM Subject: Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers Why not call around 0700Z after the band closes to EU and before

Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers

2015-02-05 Thread Fortra
Subject: Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers On Thu,2/5/2015 8:29 AM, Fortra wrote: jeez those numbers are worrying. So are the numbers for contributions to the cost of DX trips that have gotten increasingly expensive. The only way to get on the island is via a helicopter, and they have had to make

Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers

2015-02-05 Thread KE1F Lou
, February 05, 2015 12:51 PM Subject: Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers To us EP6T was European QSO Party. GL and 73 Lou KE1F On 2/5/2015 1:51 AM, Jan Erik Holm wrote: Sorry if I´m a PITA right now but why even bother to have this debate about K1N on 160, it´s not even DX to NA, like a local

Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers

2015-02-05 Thread HAROLD SMITH JR
for...@siol.net wrote: Lou, is that what you have said, an argument ? Let us wait a week, and then we will judge... 73's Nermin S58DX - Original Message - From: KE1F Lou lmecs...@cfl.rr.com To: topband@contesting.com Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2015 12:51 PM Subject: Re: Topband: Out

Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers

2015-02-05 Thread JC
First of all, they haven't reported having their beverages installed. The original plan submitted for approval was denied because the wires could impact the birds in the island, final and approved plan was based on vertical only for low bands and fiberglass protected wires SteepIR. I am

Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers

2015-02-05 Thread Kenneth Grimm
- From: KE1F Lou lmecs...@cfl.rr.com To: topband@contesting.com Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2015 4:14 PM Subject: Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers Nermin, Lets wait for the final result from K1N. We do have EP6T data: 68,045 QSO 69.6% Europe 9.8% North America 17.6% Asia. I am

Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers

2015-02-05 Thread Garry Shapiro
It appears to be the case that NA finances the big trips and EU gets the Q's. That needs to be ironed out. Garry On 2/5/2015 11:32 AM, Jim Brown wrote: On Thu,2/5/2015 8:29 AM, Fortra wrote: jeez those numbers are worrying. So are the numbers for contributions to the cost of DX trips that

Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers

2015-02-05 Thread KE1F Lou
calls. Not many trying to get them. This was 1035Z. N7RT - Original Message - From: Richard (Rick) Karlquist rich...@karlquist.com To: ws6x@gmail.com; topband@contesting.com Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 4:51 PM Subject: Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers Why not call around 0700Z

Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers

2015-02-05 Thread Doug Renwick
The irony in all this is compare the bird protection on Navassa to wind farms stateside which are allowed to kill thousands of birds including your golden eagle. You just can't make this stupidity up. Doug I wasn't born in Saskatchewan, but I got here as soon as I could. -Original

Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers

2015-02-03 Thread HAROLD SMITH JR
Very true Frank. 73 Price W0RI On Tuesday, February 3, 2015 6:28 PM, donov...@starpower.net donov...@starpower.net wrote: Hi guys, We've beat up KK6ZM enough for his honest mistake, we all make mistakes. By now I'm sure Patrick has heard from his well known father and his uncles too

Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers

2015-02-03 Thread Jim Brown
On Tue,2/3/2015 4:14 PM, Glenn Wyant wrote: easy with 100 watts ( got him b4 the amp warmed up ) It should be -- you're a LOT closer than W6. :) Bragging rights go to N6ZFO -- he worked them from 150 miles N of San Francisco with 150W. 73, Jim K9YC _ Topband Reflector

Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers

2015-02-03 Thread Gary Smith
One of the best things to happen to me is my K3 and my logging program, the pair are among the worst as well. The K3 remembers the settings I was at when I switch bands, I count on this, my logging program is the Loki in this. If I click on a spot I see in my logging program look at the

Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers

2015-02-03 Thread Doug Renwick
If the KK6ZM story is fact, then he did what I would have done based on the operator at K1N's actions. Doug I wasn't born in Saskatchewan, but I got here as soon as I could. -Original Message- This is not a defense of KK6ZM -- I don't even know the guy -- but I can assure you, he was

Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers

2015-02-03 Thread Bill and Liz
Perhaps the REAL problem began with the guys in the chat room urging him on when common sense would have dictated that he refrain from transmitting until K1N cleared the field for NA callers. I had my gut full of chat rooms when a topband friend was flamed morning after morning on the

Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers

2015-02-03 Thread Jim - WS6X
-Original Message- It was interesting to me this morning to listen to the K1N operation attempt to put into their log some JA contacts. SNIP For the most part, NA stations stood by and allowed the process to go forward. However, one station in particular, even after being asked by K1N

Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers

2015-02-03 Thread Eddy Swynar
On 2015-02-03, at 2:11 PM, Jim - WS6X wrote: Say what you want to about KK6ZM. In my opinion, K1N shot himself in the foot when he didn't follow his own in instructions. Jim, WS6X Hi Jim, That has to be CARDINAL SIN #1 if you're a DX-peditioner, as it's YOU who calls the shots, and

Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers

2015-02-03 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
Why not call around 0700Z after the band closes to EU and before it opens to JA? A bunch of us in CA got them in the log last night fairly easily. Rick N6RK _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband

Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers

2015-02-03 Thread Hardy Landskov
; topband@contesting.com Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 4:51 PM Subject: Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers Why not call around 0700Z after the band closes to EU and before it opens to JA? A bunch of us in CA got them in the log last night fairly easily. Rick N6RK _ Topband

Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers

2015-02-03 Thread Larry via Topband
...@starpower.net To: topband topband@contesting.com Sent: Tue, Feb 3, 2015 9:23 pm Subject: Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers Hi guys, We've beat up KK6ZM enough for his honest mistake, we all make mistakes. By now I'm sure Patrick has heard from his well known father and his uncles too and there's

Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers

2015-02-03 Thread donovanf
Hi guys, We've beat up KK6ZM enough for his honest mistake, we all make mistakes. By now I'm sure Patrick has heard from his well known father and his uncles too and there's no chance he'll make that mistake again. Its time to move on... 73 Frank W3LPL - Original Message -