Topband: Radio World; Noise Floor; Where do we go from here?

[Dick Bingham]

Hi - In reference to ===>

Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Radio World; Noise Floor; Where do we go from here?
  (Guy Olinger K2AV)

Check out the QST *readers comments* of March 2010 p55. Folks will have to
be willing
to pay a few $1 more for electronic items to be designed correctly to turn
this problem
around.

Back in the days I worked for HP. we busted our butts knocking-down every
significant
'birdie' radiated by a product in development. The NAB is highly concerned
about the noise issue too.

73 Dick/w7wkr  CN97uj
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Re: Topband: Radio World; Noise Floor; Where do we go from here?

[Guy Olinger K2AV]

These days, AT seems to have about a dozen suppliers. I'm not too sure
they even have a current contract with 2-Wire.  Six years ago they had not
gotten a spec yet that they could farm out. They were clearly still in
discovery mode.

My neighbor's 3801 went toast not too long ago, and it was not replaced by
a 2-Wire unit. My 3801 is still with us. His new unit is *also* NOT
bothered by 160 QRO.

I read the URL. The actual problem is hardly discovered in that situation.
It's kind of like blaming a leak in the pipes on the well pump. The leak
does stop when you turn off the pump, right? So therefore it's the pump's
fault?

Turning off the gateway can stop a lot of electronic activity all around
the house. Including a lot of programming in the set-top boxes. Careful,
careful.

Chasing noise is demonic.

73, Guy K2AV.


On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 7:18 PM, Art Snapper  wrote:

> Perhaps the 3801 isn't the only equipment being used. A quick search found
> this posting from three months ago.
>
> It references the AT 5268AC router. It appears to be made by Arris. This
> seems to be a voice gateway with wifi.
>
> https://forums.att.com/t5/AT-T-Internet-Equipment/Radio-
> frequency-interference-from-U-verse-equipment-on-Amateur/td-p/480
>
> Art NK8X
> ᐧ
>
> On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 6:53 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV 
> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 2:38 PM, Art Snapper  wrote:
>> > There are numerous reports on the web from hams experiencing RFI from
>> and to
>> > Uverse.  My main point is AT was complaining about receiving RFI,
>> without
>> > keeping their own house clean.
>> > 73,
>>
>> I'm sorry, Art. Just can't go along with you here. Nothing personal.
>>
>> I spent some time looking up hams, RFI, Uverse, etc., based on your email.
>>
>> An awful lot of the reports I found are over five years old, They
>> predate discontinuance of the 2-Wire (brand name) model 3800 gateway
>> box that AT used heavily on early Uverse.
>>
>> That actually is a big clue, because it verifies what I've always
>> thought, that the 2-Wire 3800 model gateway box was the source of a
>> lot of their troubles. The changes between a 3800 and 3801 were
>> extensive, including a massive increase of buffering memory (10 or 20
>> to 1 increase?) to improve the built in error correction. There was a
>> long list that our AT mentor told me about, and their experience was
>> that the 3801 could soak up a lot of trouble out in the cables. The
>> drop-off in troubles attributable to the gateway is testimony to the
>> success of that project, as is my and my neighbor's experience with
>> the upgrade.
>>
>> The 3800 was severely susceptible to strong ham signals on 160/80/40,
>> with certain frequencies capable of making the gateway reboot with 20
>> watts on the antenna, much less 1.5 kW. My old problem of rebooting my
>> and my neighbor's 3800 gateway with QRO on 160 was finally eliminated
>> with the 3801, which had just come out, and at that time was available
>> in restricted quantities. This time they were not going to lead off
>> with mass deployment. And they were keenly interested in my case,
>> described below
>>
>> Several reports that looked current (2016 in email header) in
>> references I saw, in the text were actually referring to much older
>> events. One 2016 email was complaining about something the email
>> itself said occurred in 2001. I thought that was interesting, still
>> complaining about something that happened 15 years ago.
>>
>> The 2-Wire 3800 is no longer manufactured, the Uverse tech support
>> "book" now has a list of customer complaints that automatically get an
>> existing 3800 replaced, regardless. No clue as to how many have been
>> deprecated. Nobody on my block has one anymore. Read on.
>>
>> They have gone to a practice of using coax from the interface where
>> the cable comes up from underground to the gateway box. Twisted pair
>> is no longer used for that. With certain repair activities, they will
>> automatically replace older twisted pair from cable entrance to
>> gateway box with coax.
>>
>> AT has a group, headquartered in New Jersey that is a national group
>> specifically formed to deal with ham radio issues with Uverse. It's
>> director is a well-known east coast ham, and they have the authority
>> to force local repair groups to follow certain procedures in
>> ham-related cases, and mark certain customers for automatic referral
>> to their group.
>>
>> Anyone who has a current problem of this sort, should get in touch
>> with the ARRL RFI task force, who will do an entry level triage to
>> eliminate common issues, and then give cases that pass triage to the
>> AT group I am talking about.
>>
>> They were good with my problems, really good.
>>
>> They simply do not fit your description, and I do not see current
>> timeframe references on the internet to paint them with the colors you
>> are using.
>>
>> What good does it do us to push and haggle to get a 

Re: Topband: Radio World; Noise Floor; Where do we go from here?

[DXer]

I sense you are old fashioned, long term these days is next quarter. :^)

We're way off-topic now. Back to our regularly scheduled programming.

73 de Vince, VA3VF

On 2016-12-18 7:44 PM, Arthur Delibert wrote:

And then destroy shareholder value over the long term




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<hfdxmoni...@gmail.com>
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Off-topic...This is how they realize shareholder's value quickly. :^)

73 de Vince, VA3VF

On 2016-12-18 7:31 PM, CJ Johnson - WT2P wrote:

How about companies stop making cheap crap to cut corners.

wt2p

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Re: Topband: Radio World; Noise Floor; Where do we go from here?

[DXer]

Off-topic...This is how they realize shareholder's value quickly. :^)

73 de Vince, VA3VF

On 2016-12-18 7:31 PM, CJ Johnson - WT2P wrote:

How about companies stop making cheap crap to cut corners.

wt2p

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Re: Topband: Radio World; Noise Floor; Where do we go from here?

[CJ Johnson - WT2P]

How about companies stop making cheap crap to cut corners.

wt2p


On 12/18/2016 6:18 PM, Art Snapper wrote:

Perhaps the 3801 isn't the only equipment being used. A quick search found
this posting from three months ago.

It references the AT 5268AC router. It appears to be made by Arris. This
seems to be a voice gateway with wifi.

https://forums.att.com/t5/AT-T-Internet-Equipment/Radio-frequency-interference-from-U-verse-equipment-on-Amateur/td-p/480

Art NK8X
ᐧ

On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 6:53 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV 
wrote:


On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 2:38 PM, Art Snapper  wrote:

There are numerous reports on the web from hams experiencing RFI from

and to

Uverse.  My main point is AT was complaining about receiving RFI,

without

keeping their own house clean.
73,

I'm sorry, Art. Just can't go along with you here. Nothing personal.

I spent some time looking up hams, RFI, Uverse, etc., based on your email.

An awful lot of the reports I found are over five years old, They
predate discontinuance of the 2-Wire (brand name) model 3800 gateway
box that AT used heavily on early Uverse.

That actually is a big clue, because it verifies what I've always
thought, that the 2-Wire 3800 model gateway box was the source of a
lot of their troubles. The changes between a 3800 and 3801 were
extensive, including a massive increase of buffering memory (10 or 20
to 1 increase?) to improve the built in error correction. There was a
long list that our AT mentor told me about, and their experience was
that the 3801 could soak up a lot of trouble out in the cables. The
drop-off in troubles attributable to the gateway is testimony to the
success of that project, as is my and my neighbor's experience with
the upgrade.

The 3800 was severely susceptible to strong ham signals on 160/80/40,
with certain frequencies capable of making the gateway reboot with 20
watts on the antenna, much less 1.5 kW. My old problem of rebooting my
and my neighbor's 3800 gateway with QRO on 160 was finally eliminated
with the 3801, which had just come out, and at that time was available
in restricted quantities. This time they were not going to lead off
with mass deployment. And they were keenly interested in my case,
described below

Several reports that looked current (2016 in email header) in
references I saw, in the text were actually referring to much older
events. One 2016 email was complaining about something the email
itself said occurred in 2001. I thought that was interesting, still
complaining about something that happened 15 years ago.

The 2-Wire 3800 is no longer manufactured, the Uverse tech support
"book" now has a list of customer complaints that automatically get an
existing 3800 replaced, regardless. No clue as to how many have been
deprecated. Nobody on my block has one anymore. Read on.

They have gone to a practice of using coax from the interface where
the cable comes up from underground to the gateway box. Twisted pair
is no longer used for that. With certain repair activities, they will
automatically replace older twisted pair from cable entrance to
gateway box with coax.

AT has a group, headquartered in New Jersey that is a national group
specifically formed to deal with ham radio issues with Uverse. It's
director is a well-known east coast ham, and they have the authority
to force local repair groups to follow certain procedures in
ham-related cases, and mark certain customers for automatic referral
to their group.

Anyone who has a current problem of this sort, should get in touch
with the ARRL RFI task force, who will do an entry level triage to
eliminate common issues, and then give cases that pass triage to the
AT group I am talking about.

They were good with my problems, really good.

They simply do not fit your description, and I do not see current
timeframe references on the internet to paint them with the colors you
are using.

What good does it do us to push and haggle to get a major company to
do the right stuff, and when they do, keep on beating them up
regardless, bringing up things that have been fixed for years?

In my case, 2010-2011...

1) I had problems with temporary main telephone cable routing due to
the construction of NC Toll 540 (extension of I-540) and its
intersection with US 64. At some point ALL the old cable was replaced.
Things were dicey with cables where they were moving roadways back and
forth to maintain traffic while bridges were being built and old
roadways dug up and replaced with heavier construction to interstate
specifications.

2) The 650 foot buried drop cables from the pole out on US 64 service
road to both my and my neighbor's house were replaced and reburied
using a different route. Since 1980, when my house was first built,
widening US 64 from 2 to divided 4 lane roadway, stuff related to the
540 highway, including some mistaken contractor digs, and a couple
cable-melting lightning strikes, over time had put so many splices in
the drop, 

Re: Topband: Radio World; Noise Floor; Where do we go from here?

[Art Snapper]

Perhaps the 3801 isn't the only equipment being used. A quick search found
this posting from three months ago.

It references the AT 5268AC router. It appears to be made by Arris. This
seems to be a voice gateway with wifi.

https://forums.att.com/t5/AT-T-Internet-Equipment/Radio-frequency-interference-from-U-verse-equipment-on-Amateur/td-p/480

Art NK8X
ᐧ

On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 6:53 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV 
wrote:

> On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 2:38 PM, Art Snapper  wrote:
> > There are numerous reports on the web from hams experiencing RFI from
> and to
> > Uverse.  My main point is AT was complaining about receiving RFI,
> without
> > keeping their own house clean.
> > 73,
>
> I'm sorry, Art. Just can't go along with you here. Nothing personal.
>
> I spent some time looking up hams, RFI, Uverse, etc., based on your email.
>
> An awful lot of the reports I found are over five years old, They
> predate discontinuance of the 2-Wire (brand name) model 3800 gateway
> box that AT used heavily on early Uverse.
>
> That actually is a big clue, because it verifies what I've always
> thought, that the 2-Wire 3800 model gateway box was the source of a
> lot of their troubles. The changes between a 3800 and 3801 were
> extensive, including a massive increase of buffering memory (10 or 20
> to 1 increase?) to improve the built in error correction. There was a
> long list that our AT mentor told me about, and their experience was
> that the 3801 could soak up a lot of trouble out in the cables. The
> drop-off in troubles attributable to the gateway is testimony to the
> success of that project, as is my and my neighbor's experience with
> the upgrade.
>
> The 3800 was severely susceptible to strong ham signals on 160/80/40,
> with certain frequencies capable of making the gateway reboot with 20
> watts on the antenna, much less 1.5 kW. My old problem of rebooting my
> and my neighbor's 3800 gateway with QRO on 160 was finally eliminated
> with the 3801, which had just come out, and at that time was available
> in restricted quantities. This time they were not going to lead off
> with mass deployment. And they were keenly interested in my case,
> described below
>
> Several reports that looked current (2016 in email header) in
> references I saw, in the text were actually referring to much older
> events. One 2016 email was complaining about something the email
> itself said occurred in 2001. I thought that was interesting, still
> complaining about something that happened 15 years ago.
>
> The 2-Wire 3800 is no longer manufactured, the Uverse tech support
> "book" now has a list of customer complaints that automatically get an
> existing 3800 replaced, regardless. No clue as to how many have been
> deprecated. Nobody on my block has one anymore. Read on.
>
> They have gone to a practice of using coax from the interface where
> the cable comes up from underground to the gateway box. Twisted pair
> is no longer used for that. With certain repair activities, they will
> automatically replace older twisted pair from cable entrance to
> gateway box with coax.
>
> AT has a group, headquartered in New Jersey that is a national group
> specifically formed to deal with ham radio issues with Uverse. It's
> director is a well-known east coast ham, and they have the authority
> to force local repair groups to follow certain procedures in
> ham-related cases, and mark certain customers for automatic referral
> to their group.
>
> Anyone who has a current problem of this sort, should get in touch
> with the ARRL RFI task force, who will do an entry level triage to
> eliminate common issues, and then give cases that pass triage to the
> AT group I am talking about.
>
> They were good with my problems, really good.
>
> They simply do not fit your description, and I do not see current
> timeframe references on the internet to paint them with the colors you
> are using.
>
> What good does it do us to push and haggle to get a major company to
> do the right stuff, and when they do, keep on beating them up
> regardless, bringing up things that have been fixed for years?
>
> In my case, 2010-2011...
>
> 1) I had problems with temporary main telephone cable routing due to
> the construction of NC Toll 540 (extension of I-540) and its
> intersection with US 64. At some point ALL the old cable was replaced.
> Things were dicey with cables where they were moving roadways back and
> forth to maintain traffic while bridges were being built and old
> roadways dug up and replaced with heavier construction to interstate
> specifications.
>
> 2) The 650 foot buried drop cables from the pole out on US 64 service
> road to both my and my neighbor's house were replaced and reburied
> using a different route. Since 1980, when my house was first built,
> widening US 64 from 2 to divided 4 lane roadway, stuff related to the
> 540 highway, including some mistaken contractor digs, and a couple
> cable-melting lightning 

Re: Topband: Radio World; Noise Floor; Where do we go from here?

[Guy Olinger K2AV]

On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 2:38 PM, Art Snapper  wrote:
> There are numerous reports on the web from hams experiencing RFI from and to
> Uverse.  My main point is AT was complaining about receiving RFI, without
> keeping their own house clean.
> 73,

I'm sorry, Art. Just can't go along with you here. Nothing personal.

I spent some time looking up hams, RFI, Uverse, etc., based on your email.

An awful lot of the reports I found are over five years old, They
predate discontinuance of the 2-Wire (brand name) model 3800 gateway
box that AT used heavily on early Uverse.

That actually is a big clue, because it verifies what I've always
thought, that the 2-Wire 3800 model gateway box was the source of a
lot of their troubles. The changes between a 3800 and 3801 were
extensive, including a massive increase of buffering memory (10 or 20
to 1 increase?) to improve the built in error correction. There was a
long list that our AT mentor told me about, and their experience was
that the 3801 could soak up a lot of trouble out in the cables. The
drop-off in troubles attributable to the gateway is testimony to the
success of that project, as is my and my neighbor's experience with
the upgrade.

The 3800 was severely susceptible to strong ham signals on 160/80/40,
with certain frequencies capable of making the gateway reboot with 20
watts on the antenna, much less 1.5 kW. My old problem of rebooting my
and my neighbor's 3800 gateway with QRO on 160 was finally eliminated
with the 3801, which had just come out, and at that time was available
in restricted quantities. This time they were not going to lead off
with mass deployment. And they were keenly interested in my case,
described below

Several reports that looked current (2016 in email header) in
references I saw, in the text were actually referring to much older
events. One 2016 email was complaining about something the email
itself said occurred in 2001. I thought that was interesting, still
complaining about something that happened 15 years ago.

The 2-Wire 3800 is no longer manufactured, the Uverse tech support
"book" now has a list of customer complaints that automatically get an
existing 3800 replaced, regardless. No clue as to how many have been
deprecated. Nobody on my block has one anymore. Read on.

They have gone to a practice of using coax from the interface where
the cable comes up from underground to the gateway box. Twisted pair
is no longer used for that. With certain repair activities, they will
automatically replace older twisted pair from cable entrance to
gateway box with coax.

AT has a group, headquartered in New Jersey that is a national group
specifically formed to deal with ham radio issues with Uverse. It's
director is a well-known east coast ham, and they have the authority
to force local repair groups to follow certain procedures in
ham-related cases, and mark certain customers for automatic referral
to their group.

Anyone who has a current problem of this sort, should get in touch
with the ARRL RFI task force, who will do an entry level triage to
eliminate common issues, and then give cases that pass triage to the
AT group I am talking about.

They were good with my problems, really good.

They simply do not fit your description, and I do not see current
timeframe references on the internet to paint them with the colors you
are using.

What good does it do us to push and haggle to get a major company to
do the right stuff, and when they do, keep on beating them up
regardless, bringing up things that have been fixed for years?

In my case, 2010-2011...

1) I had problems with temporary main telephone cable routing due to
the construction of NC Toll 540 (extension of I-540) and its
intersection with US 64. At some point ALL the old cable was replaced.
Things were dicey with cables where they were moving roadways back and
forth to maintain traffic while bridges were being built and old
roadways dug up and replaced with heavier construction to interstate
specifications.

2) The 650 foot buried drop cables from the pole out on US 64 service
road to both my and my neighbor's house were replaced and reburied
using a different route. Since 1980, when my house was first built,
widening US 64 from 2 to divided 4 lane roadway, stuff related to the
540 highway, including some mistaken contractor digs, and a couple
cable-melting lightning strikes, over time had put so many splices in
the drop, that the cable itself was way out of spec and a problem.

3) Neighbor's in-house wiring was cleaned up and rerouted to reduce
lengths and avoid some wear points.

4) The Gateway box in my house was moved to a spot recommended by AT
after walking around the house describing the ethernet lines. This
replaced a 120 foot ethernet run from cable entrance to gateway with a
scant 8 feet, with the gateway in my wife's office. The cable entrance
is directly underneath the window in her office. AT did most of the
crawlspace crawling around under the house, 

Re: Topband: Radio World; Noise Floor; Where do we go from here?

[JC]

Hi Guy

I live in Ft Lauderdale city lot, 6 million people in 100 miles, very noise on 
the vertical, zero noise on the Horizontal Waller Flag,  

In the next 10 year every ham will use some kind or receiving antennas.

That’s what we do, innovation !! new things .. 

73'
JC
N4IS

-Original Message-
From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Guy Olinger 
K2AV
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 2:06 PM
To: Art Snapper <a...@nk8x.net>
Cc: 160 <topband@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: Topband: Radio World; Noise Floor; Where do we go from here?

Hi Art,

I have uVerse, as do a lot of neighbors around here, and a huge development on 
the other side of US64 from me is mostly uVerse,

Of all the noises I have chased around here, uVerse has only been responsible 
for very weak continuous tones, and those seem to have gradually disappeared 
since they quit installing 2Wire 3800 gateway boxes in favor of newer 
technology. I don't hear any of them today, as an information point.

The old faithful dirty dozen of motor speed controllers, plain ole power line 
buzz, plasma TV's, etc is really unchanged in the last ten years. I haven't 
heard solar controllers yet. In any event, absent the dirty dozen, the local 
background around here is S3/S4 and disappears in the band noise as the band 
opens up. The S6, S7 is coming from ELSEWHERE, and requires an open band to get 
here.

In that North American continental band noise, the real killer is lightning 
QRN. There is almost never a day any more that does not have lightning in North 
America somewhere, that is the controlling noise absent the dirty dozen. Shall 
we add global warming to the list of culprits for forever robbing us of QRN 
free winters? There is no doubt on this last issue as such internet tools as 
http://en.blitzortung.org/live_lightning_maps.php
tell you 24 hours where all the static is coming from. It also shows the 
powerful lightning storms that occur in dead of winter now out over our east 
coast water that have nothing to attenuate them coming back to harass our 
receivers. I have only noticed one lightning free evening in North America this 
fall, soon to be official winter.

What is your rationale and data for dumping on uVerse? Not that they can't be 
responsible for crap. But basis in fact to start with?

Not that I'm a fan, particularly, of everything AT does. BUT, we never help 
ourselves any by pointing fingers where the point is not specifically deserved. 
I got lots of street cred with them in getting a long term fix for my QRO 160 
getting into uVerse and rebooting 3800 gateway boxes, by being specific, 
religiously factual, cooperative, giving them time to figure things out, and 
being willing to try out new aspects to a fix one at a time. They finally 
nailed it and have a book to repeat the fix for other hams with 160/80/40 
getting into gateway boxes.

Feeding them BS complaints would have derailed the entire improvement process.

73, Guy K2AV

On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 12:32 PM, Art Snapper <a...@nk8x.net> wrote:

> It is ironic  to see AT's filings, since their uVerse product is 
> responsible for quite an increase in the noise floor on HF.
>
> Art NK8X
>
> On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 11:18 AM, <daraym...@iowatelecom.net> wrote:
>
> > Greetings topbanders. . .we’ve had discussions before on the ever 
> > increasing noise floor.  Looks like we’re not the only ones paying 
> > attention.  I live in the country well outside the Des Moines area.  
> > In
> the
> > past five years or so my noise floor has gone from –125 or –130 dbm 
> > to about –100 db (or worse) as measured at daytime on my quarter 
> > wave
> vertical
> > with a bandwidth setting of 0.4 KHz.  It appears to be due to
> construction
> > of a few new houses even though they are 0.5 mile or more away.  See 
> > the link below:
> >
> > http://www.radioworld.com/article/noise-floor-where-do-
> > we-go-from-here/300031
> >
> > 73 with the compliments of the Season. . . Dave, W0FLS
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: Topband: Radio World; Noise Floor; Where do we go from here?

[Guy Olinger K2AV]

Hi Art,

I have uVerse, as do a lot of neighbors around here, and a huge development
on the other side of US64 from me is mostly uVerse,

Of all the noises I have chased around here, uVerse has only been
responsible for very weak continuous tones, and those seem to have
gradually disappeared since they quit installing 2Wire 3800 gateway boxes
in favor of newer technology. I don't hear any of them today, as an
information point.

The old faithful dirty dozen of motor speed controllers, plain ole power
line buzz, plasma TV's, etc is really unchanged in the last ten years. I
haven't heard solar controllers yet. In any event, absent the dirty dozen,
the local background around here is S3/S4 and disappears in the band noise
as the band opens up. The S6, S7 is coming from ELSEWHERE, and requires an
open band to get here.

In that North American continental band noise, the real killer is lightning
QRN. There is almost never a day any more that does not have lightning in
North America somewhere, that is the controlling noise absent the dirty
dozen. Shall we add global warming to the list of culprits for forever
robbing us of QRN free winters? There is no doubt on this last issue as
such internet tools as http://en.blitzortung.org/live_lightning_maps.php
tell you 24 hours where all the static is coming from. It also shows the
powerful lightning storms that occur in dead of winter now out over our
east coast water that have nothing to attenuate them coming back to harass
our receivers. I have only noticed one lightning free evening in North
America this fall, soon to be official winter.

What is your rationale and data for dumping on uVerse? Not that they can't
be responsible for crap. But basis in fact to start with?

Not that I'm a fan, particularly, of everything AT does. BUT, we never
help ourselves any by pointing fingers where the point is not specifically
deserved. I got lots of street cred with them in getting a long term fix
for my QRO 160 getting into uVerse and rebooting 3800 gateway boxes, by
being specific, religiously factual, cooperative, giving them time to
figure things out, and being willing to try out new aspects to a fix one at
a time. They finally nailed it and have a book to repeat the fix for other
hams with 160/80/40 getting into gateway boxes.

Feeding them BS complaints would have derailed the entire improvement
process.

73, Guy K2AV

On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 12:32 PM, Art Snapper  wrote:

> It is ironic  to see AT's filings, since their uVerse product is
> responsible for quite an increase in the noise floor on HF.
>
> Art NK8X
>
> On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 11:18 AM,  wrote:
>
> > Greetings topbanders. . .we’ve had discussions before on the ever
> > increasing noise floor.  Looks like we’re not the only ones paying
> > attention.  I live in the country well outside the Des Moines area.  In
> the
> > past five years or so my noise floor has gone from –125 or –130 dbm to
> > about –100 db (or worse) as measured at daytime on my quarter wave
> vertical
> > with a bandwidth setting of 0.4 KHz.  It appears to be due to
> construction
> > of a few new houses even though they are 0.5 mile or more away.  See the
> > link below:
> >
> > http://www.radioworld.com/article/noise-floor-where-do-
> > we-go-from-here/300031
> >
> > 73 with the compliments of the Season. . . Dave, W0FLS
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: Topband: Radio World; Noise Floor; Where do we go from here?

[Art Snapper]

There are numerous reports on the web from hams experiencing RFI from and
to Uverse.  My main point is AT was complaining about receiving RFI,
without keeping their own house clean.
73,
Art NK8X


On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 2:05 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV 
wrote:

> Hi Art,
>
> I have uVerse, as do a lot of neighbors around here, and a huge
> development on the other side of US64 from me is mostly uVerse,
>
> Of all the noises I have chased around here, uVerse has only been
> responsible for very weak continuous tones, and those seem to have
> gradually disappeared since they quit installing 2Wire 3800 gateway boxes
> in favor of newer technology. I don't hear any of them today, as an
> information point.
>
> The old faithful dirty dozen of motor speed controllers, plain ole power
> line buzz, plasma TV's, etc is really unchanged in the last ten years. I
> haven't heard solar controllers yet. In any event, absent the dirty dozen,
> the local background around here is S3/S4 and disappears in the band noise
> as the band opens up. The S6, S7 is coming from ELSEWHERE, and requires an
> open band to get here.
>
> In that North American continental band noise, the real killer is
> lightning QRN. There is almost never a day any more that does not have
> lightning in North America somewhere, that is the controlling noise absent
> the dirty dozen. Shall we add global warming to the list of culprits for
> forever robbing us of QRN free winters? There is no doubt on this last
> issue as such internet tools as http://en.blitzortung.org/
> live_lightning_maps.php tell you 24 hours where all the static is coming
> from. It also shows the powerful lightning storms that occur in dead of
> winter now out over our east coast water that have nothing to attenuate
> them coming back to harass our receivers. I have only noticed one lightning
> free evening in North America this fall, soon to be official winter.
>
> What is your rationale and data for dumping on uVerse? Not that they can't
> be responsible for crap. But basis in fact to start with?
>
> Not that I'm a fan, particularly, of everything AT does. BUT, we never
> help ourselves any by pointing fingers where the point is not specifically
> deserved. I got lots of street cred with them in getting a long term fix
> for my QRO 160 getting into uVerse and rebooting 3800 gateway boxes, by
> being specific, religiously factual, cooperative, giving them time to
> figure things out, and being willing to try out new aspects to a fix one at
> a time. They finally nailed it and have a book to repeat the fix for other
> hams with 160/80/40 getting into gateway boxes.
>
> Feeding them BS complaints would have derailed the entire improvement
> process.
>
> 73, Guy K2AV
>
> On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 12:32 PM, Art Snapper  wrote:
>
>> It is ironic  to see AT's filings, since their uVerse product is
>> responsible for quite an increase in the noise floor on HF.
>>
>> Art NK8X
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 11:18 AM,  wrote:
>>
>> > Greetings topbanders. . .we’ve had discussions before on the ever
>> > increasing noise floor.  Looks like we’re not the only ones paying
>> > attention.  I live in the country well outside the Des Moines area.  In
>> the
>> > past five years or so my noise floor has gone from –125 or –130 dbm to
>> > about –100 db (or worse) as measured at daytime on my quarter wave
>> vertical
>> > with a bandwidth setting of 0.4 KHz.  It appears to be due to
>> construction
>> > of a few new houses even though they are 0.5 mile or more away.  See the
>> > link below:
>> >
>> > http://www.radioworld.com/article/noise-floor-where-do-
>> > we-go-from-here/300031
>> >
>> > 73 with the compliments of the Season. . . Dave, W0FLS
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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Re: Topband: Radio World; Noise Floor; Where do we go from here?

[Art Snapper]

It is ironic  to see AT's filings, since their uVerse product is
responsible for quite an increase in the noise floor on HF.

Art NK8X

On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 11:18 AM,  wrote:

> Greetings topbanders. . .we’ve had discussions before on the ever
> increasing noise floor.  Looks like we’re not the only ones paying
> attention.  I live in the country well outside the Des Moines area.  In the
> past five years or so my noise floor has gone from –125 or –130 dbm to
> about –100 db (or worse) as measured at daytime on my quarter wave vertical
> with a bandwidth setting of 0.4 KHz.  It appears to be due to construction
> of a few new houses even though they are 0.5 mile or more away.  See the
> link below:
>
> http://www.radioworld.com/article/noise-floor-where-do-
> we-go-from-here/300031
>
> 73 with the compliments of the Season. . . Dave, W0FLS
>
>
>
>
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Topband: Radio World; Noise Floor; Where do we go from here?

[daraymond]

Greetings topbanders. . .we’ve had discussions before on the ever increasing 
noise floor.  Looks like we’re not the only ones paying attention.  I live in 
the country well outside the Des Moines area.  In the past five years or so my 
noise floor has gone from –125 or –130 dbm to about –100 db (or worse) as 
measured at daytime on my quarter wave vertical with a bandwidth setting of 0.4 
KHz.  It appears to be due to construction of a few new houses even though they 
are 0.5 mile or more away.  See the link below:

http://www.radioworld.com/article/noise-floor-where-do-we-go-from-here/300031

73 with the compliments of the Season. . . Dave, W0FLS




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