Re: Topband: Skywave vs. Earth Conductivity

2015-02-14 Thread Richard Fry
Lower angle skip, such as WFAN being received in Europe, Africa, Caribbean, etc. would definitely be affected. In the extreme, the shape of the antenna pattern would look more like the one for groundwave. Below is a link showing the complete 0.15 mV/m groundwave contour of WFAN, to

Re: Topband: Skywave vs. Earth Conductivity

2015-02-13 Thread Bill Whitacre
Perhaps FCC models don't take account of 'sea gain?' ITU models do, as I recall. Bill Whitacre Alexandria, VA --- On Feb 13, 2015, at 7:43 AM, Richard Fry r...@adams.net wrote: From my reading of posts on many ham boards, the prevailing thoughts are that the nighttime skywave field

Re: Topband: Skywave vs. Earth Conductivity

2015-02-13 Thread Mike Waters
Whoops! That link only shows a small portion of that discussion (total of 91 posts). Better to visit http://lists.contesting.com/archives//cgi-bin/namazu.cgi?idxname=Topband and search for vertical on a beach (including the quotation marks).

Re: Topband: Skywave vs. Earth Conductivity

2015-02-13 Thread K1FZ-Bruce
Low band hams are very aware of sea gain minimum salt water attenuation at low angles. The signal will not  produce a perfect circle as the posting shows. 73 Bruce-K1FZ www.qsl.net/k1fz/beveragenotes.html On Fri, 13 Feb 2015 10:35:28 -0500, Bill Whitacre b...@his.com wrote: Perhaps FCC

Re: Topband: Skywave vs. Earth Conductivity

2015-02-13 Thread Richard Fry
The link below shows the transmit site used by WFAN (which is diplexed with WCBS into the same vertical monopole). The site is located on a small island in Long Island Sound. The horizontal distance along the surface of this island on the ENE radials reaching the sea water of Long Island

Re: Topband: Skywave vs. Earth Conductivity

2015-02-13 Thread Mike Waters
Here's the thread: Modeling the proverbial 'vertical on a beach' http://lists.contesting.com/archives//html/Topband/2014-08/msg00048.html This is another one that showed up in my search: Hill vs. Ocean QTH - response summary (long)

Re: Topband: Skywave vs. Earth Conductivity

2015-02-13 Thread Mark Connelly via Topband
Higher angle skip, which is what the map of ' http://s20.postimg.org/f1z0o2e7h/WFAN_Skywave.gif ' represents within the contour for WFAN, would be affected by ground conductivity in a very minor way at best. Lower angle skip, such as WFAN being received in Europe, Africa, Caribbean, etc.

Re: Topband: Skywave vs. Earth Conductivity

2015-02-13 Thread Gary Smith
That describes my situation: I've got essentially a hybrid of a 160M sloper INV-L due to my salt marsh antenna wires held up in the trees. I'm guessing my highest point is 45' and the antenna slopes upward to touch the first branches 40' away. With that, I worked one of the Caribbean stations

Topband: Skywave vs. Earth Conductivity

2015-02-13 Thread Richard Fry
From my reading of posts on many ham boards, the prevailing thoughts are that the nighttime skywave field intensity received from a vertical monopole is dependent on earth conductivity -- as well as on frequency, radiated power, path length, and atmospheric conditions. The plot linked below