Re: Topband: Still in search of resonance - Detailed Observations and Calculations

2014-02-15 Thread Charlie Cunningham
PM To: '160' Subject: Topband: Still in search of resonance List Some of you may have followed my efforts in trying to shunt feed my 90' Tri-Ex Skyneedle with 20 meter yagi at 93'. I'm still unable to find any sort of resonance point on the tower. To refresh everyone's memory here

Re: Topband: Still in search of resonance - Detailed Observations and Calculations

2014-02-15 Thread Charlie Cunningham
15, 2014 11:35 AM To: 'Carl Braun'; '160' Subject: Re: Topband: Still in search of resonance - Detailed Observations and Calculations Hi, Carl I did a bit of further investigation and work on your problem. I think you are done, as follows: 1.0 Just tap the Skyneedle at 90

Re: Topband: Still in search of resonance - Detailed Observations and Calculations

2014-02-15 Thread Charlie Cunningham
- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Charlie Cunningham Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2014 11:45 AM To: 'Carl Braun'; '160' Subject: Re: Topband: Still in search of resonance - Detailed Observations and Calculations Sorry, Carl! My loss tables didn't translate from

Re: Topband: Still in search of resonance - Detailed Observations and Calculations

2014-02-15 Thread Carl Braun
loss table, Carl 73, Charlie, K4OTV From: Charlie Cunningham [mailto:charlie-cunning...@nc.rr.com] Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2014 11:35 AM To: 'Carl Braun'; '160' Subject: RE: Topband: Still in search of resonance - Detailed Observations and Calculations Hi, Carl I did a bit of further

Re: Topband: Still in search of resonance - Detailed Observations and Calculations

2014-02-15 Thread Carl Braun
it is with the re-built loss table, Carl 73, Charlie, K4OTV From: Charlie Cunningham [mailto:charlie-cunning...@nc.rr.com] Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2014 11:35 AM To: 'Carl Braun'; '160' Subject: RE: Topband: Still in search of resonance - Detailed Observations and Calculations Hi, Carl I did a bit

Re: Topband: Still in search of resonance - Detailed Observations and Calculations

2014-02-15 Thread Charlie Cunningham
: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Carl Braun Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2014 3:11 PM To: Charlie Cunningham Cc: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: Still in search of resonance - Detailed Observations and Calculations Charlie Thank you for your work

Re: Topband: Still in search of resonance

2014-02-15 Thread Carl Braun
' Subject: Re: Topband: Still in search of resonance Hi Carl, It sounds like you are trying to find 50 ohms on the tower without any series capacitor by looking at R and X. I would not try to do that. The reactance puts you out of range on the MFJ bridge. You are down to a few bits difference between

Re: Topband: Still in search of resonance

2014-02-15 Thread Charlie Cunningham
Hee! -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Carl Braun Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2014 3:53 PM To: Tom W8JI; '160' Subject: Re: Topband: Still in search of resonance Tom After reading your post yesterday I had a dream that I woke up

Topband: Still in search of resonance

2014-02-14 Thread Carl Braun
List Some of you may have followed my efforts in trying to shunt feed my 90' Tri-Ex Skyneedle with 20 meter yagi at 93'. I'm still unable to find any sort of resonance point on the tower. To refresh everyone's memory here are the specifics: 90' Skyneedle that is 12 round at the base and 4

Re: Topband: Still in search of resonance

2014-02-14 Thread HAROLD SMITH JR
Sorry Carl, I hit the send button before responding..Now. I believe that first #14 wire is a bit small. I do not believe that you will find a 50ohmZ and X=0 point.  I have 80ft of Rohn 45G with a Telrex 20M546 at 80ft, 3el on 15 at 90 and 3el on 10 at 100ft. I shunt feed the tower for 160  with

Re: Topband: Still in search of resonance

2014-02-14 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV
Is the single 14AWG too thin causing goofy readings? Absolutely! Treating the Sky Needle and the #12 wire as a folded dipole and using 8 for the diameter of the tower, you have a 16:1 step-up with the single #14 wire. If you made a cage of 4 or 6 wires with a 6 to 8 diameter, back of the

Re: Topband: Still in search of resonance

2014-02-14 Thread Carl Braun
@contesting.com Sent: Friday, February 14, 2014 4:14:42 PM Subject: Topband: Still in search of resonance List Some of you may have followed my efforts in trying to shunt feed my 90' Tri-Ex Skyneedle with 20 meter yagi at 93'. I'm still unable to find any sort of resonance point

Re: Topband: Still in search of resonance

2014-02-14 Thread Charlie Cunningham
: Friday, February 14, 2014 6:15 PM To: '160' Subject: Topband: Still in search of resonance List Some of you may have followed my efforts in trying to shunt feed my 90' Tri-Ex Skyneedle with 20 meter yagi at 93'. I'm still unable to find any sort of resonance point on the tower. To refresh

Re: Topband: Still in search of resonance

2014-02-14 Thread Tom W8JI
Hi Carl, It sounds like you are trying to find 50 ohms on the tower without any series capacitor by looking at R and X. I would not try to do that. The reactance puts you out of range on the MFJ bridge. You are down to a few bits difference between data points the PIC needs in the MFJ.

Re: Topband: Still in search of resonance - BTW Resonance

2014-02-14 Thread Charlie Cunningham
To: Charlie Cunningham; 'Carl Braun'; 'Joe Subich, W4TV' Cc: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: Still in search of resonance - BTW Resonance Subject: Re: Topband: Still in search of resonance - BTW Resonance BTW Resonance = X=0 or jX = j0 So my dummy load is resonant, and the resistors in my

Re: Topband: Still in search of resonance - BTW - Update!

2014-02-14 Thread Charlie Cunningham
to shunt feed that tower without a series-c in the gamma arm! No way! 73, Charlie, K4OTV -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Carl Braun Sent: Friday, February 14, 2014 6:15 PM To: '160' Subject: Topband: Still in search of resonance List Some

Re: Topband: Still in search of resonance

2014-02-14 Thread Carl Braun
Tom and all Thanks for the responses. I was under the assumption that I would find a 50 ohm tap on the tower but with a lot of reactance requiring a cap that would tune out the X but leave the 50 ohm resistive value in place. I knew my tap was too low at 46' when I saw less than 50 ohms

Re: Topband: Still in search of resonance Update 2

2014-02-14 Thread Charlie Cunningham
than 50 ohms, a shunt C will be required. GL, 73, Charlie, K4OTV -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Carl Braun Sent: Friday, February 14, 2014 11:52 PM To: Tom W8JI Cc: 160 Subject: Re: Topband: Still in search of resonance Tom and all