Re: Topband: Summer Update & a Surprise
Andy is right: FT8 should in a separate category. Especially, when we consider the "dirty little secret": Increasingly, a number of ops are using fully automated FT8 stations. Most of the time they are not even in the shack while their automated FT8 stations are making QSO-s. Whether we agree with or like all that, or whether we even like FT8, is totally besides the point. None of that will stop; all the ARRL can do is put it in a separate category, otherwise the value of DXCC will be hopelessly diluted. 73, George, AA7JV/C6AGU PS: The value of DXCC goes far beyond the paper certificate and the bragging rights that comes with it. Today the DXCC program is responsible for a very great deal of the remaining non-FT8 activity on the MF/HF bands! On Thu, 1 Aug 2019 13:20:24 +0200 "Andrzej_SP6AEG" wrote: In my humble opinion, FT8 should have nothing to do with the competitors of DXCC Mix, CW, SSB or RTTY. RTTY emission was killed in short wavelengths, expeditions in the increasing percentage use FT8 as the basic emission and this is not due to the lack of propagation. I think, the issue of FT8 should be treated as a separate competition not included in DXCC Mix, CW, SSB and digital. Then we can talk about competition. Otherwise, it loses the value of DXCC from before FT8. The discussions on this list about receiving antennas, the fight against QRM, etc. will end. Andy SP6AEG == -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of uy0zg Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2019 8:09 PM To: Peter Sundberg Cc: daraym...@iowatelecom.net; k...@aol.com; topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: Summer Update & a Surprise Hi Topbanders ! Everything is easy to fix. There should be a strict separation of achievements - 1. They are made only by man. 2. They are made only on the computer. Delete Mixed Achievement Chart : http://www.arrl.org/system/dxcc/view/DXCC-160M-20190731-A4.pdf#page=1=a uto,-12,848 And then FT8 (and many future FTs ) will lose popularity. Only children will play with them ... --- Nick, UY0ZG http://www.topband.in.ua Peter Sundberg писал 2019-07-31 20:31: If we CW operators would all stay on a very tight frequency passband and call CQ every 15 seconds I bet there would be a lot of interesting things happening to us also. Especially if we do it 24/7 or at least every hour that we are not asleep. However, PC-automation has it's advantages, some are at work while working DX and others are gardening. Some even sit by the radio/PC and watch things happen :-) Bottom line is, we need to activate our transmitters more and not just listen for others. A perfect example is Bill KH7XS who opens up almost any seemingly "dead" band to Europe, at any time, just by calling CQ for a while. CW is not only great fun as you say Dave, CW is King! 73 Peter SM2CEW _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
Re: Topband: Summer Update & a Surprise
I didn't realize we were talking specifically about 160 meter DXCC listings (though this IS the Topband reflector, hi hi). Still, to get the countries that it takes to get high up on the 160 meter DXCC list will take a serious station and a lot of skill (of a different sort than CW, but skill nonetheless) even if one is using FT8. I don't really think we have to worry about dudes operating 160 meters with 100w and a Butternut vertical using FT8 to show up on 160m DXCC Honor Roll... 73, K3OX - Original Message - From: Mark K3MSB To: kol...@rcn.com Cc: FZ Bruce , Andrzej_SP6AEG , uy0zg , topband@contesting.com Sent: Thu, 01 Aug 2019 09:56:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Topband: Summer Update & a Surprise Here’s where the DXCC standings are listed http://www.arrl.org/dxcc-standings Can you please show me where 160M CW is? 73 Mark K3MSB On Thu, Aug 1, 2019, 9:35 AM wrote: It already has them. Mixed is mixed (all modes including FT8, RTTY, SSB, AM, CW, etc), CW is CW, Phone is AM, SSB and FM, Digital is all digital machine modes (RTTY, FT8/4, JT65 etc). So if you are offended that DXCC is being "degraded" by FT8 contacts, just look/compare at the CW and SSB mode results only. Problem solved! 73, Kevin K3OX - Original Message - From: FZ Bruce To: 'uy0zg' Cc: 'Andrzej_SP6AEG' , 'topband@contesting.com' Sent: Thu, 01 Aug 2019 09:04:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Topband: Summer Update & a Surprise Yes the ARRL needs to step up. Years ago there were foot races, then after the invention of the bicycle races between them were common. After the automobile was invented they raced. No one seriously thought of foot racing (competing) against a bicycle or automobile. ARRL DXCC competition bands need sub categories. 73 Bruce-K1FZ -From: "uy0zg" To: "Andrzej_SP6AEG" Cc: topband@contesting.com Sent: Thursday August 1 2019 8:53:37AM Subject: Re: Topband: Summer Update & a Surprise Hi Andy Hi All Absolutely simple and correct. Why don't ARRL leaders understand this? It is not possible to equate the results of a robot operator with the results of a human operator. For FT8, there should only be a separate category for DXCC. --- Nick, UY0ZG http://www.topband.in.ua [1] Andrzej_SP6AEG писал 2019-08-01 14:20: > In my humble opinion, FT8 should have nothing to do with the > competitors of > DXCC Mix, CW, SSB or RTTY. RTTY emission was killed in short > wavelengths, > expeditions in the increasing percentage use FT8 as the basic emission > and > this is not due to the lack of propagation. I think, the issue of FT8 > should > be treated as a separate competition not included in DXCC Mix, CW, SSB > and > digital. Then we can talk about competition. Otherwise, it loses the > value > of DXCC from before FT8. The discussions on this list about receiving > antennas, the fight against QRM, etc. will end. > > Andy > SP6AEG > == > > -Original Message- > From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of > uy0zg > Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2019 8:09 PM > To: Peter Sundberg > Cc: daraym...@iowatelecom.net; k...@aol.com; topband@contesting.com > Subject: Re: Topband: Summer Update & a Surprise > > Hi Topbanders ! > > > Everything is easy to fix. > > There should be a strict separation of achievements - > > 1. They are made only by man. > > 2. They are made only on the computer. > > > Delete Mixed Achievement Chart : > > http://www.topband.in.ua [2] > > > > > Peter Sundberg писал 2019-07-31 20:31: >> If we CW operators would all stay on a very tight frequency passband >> and call CQ every 15 seconds I bet there would be a lot of interesting >> things happening to us also. Especially if we do it 24/7 or at least >> every hour that we are not asleep. >> >> However, PC-automation has it's advantages, some are at work while >> working DX and others are gardening. Some even sit by the radio/PC and >> watch things happen :-) >> >> Bottom line is, we need to activate our transmitters more and not just >> listen for others. A perfect example is Bill KH7XS who opens up almost >> any seemingly "dead" band to Europe, at any time, just by calling CQ >> for a while. >> >> CW is not only great fun as you say Dave, CW is King! >> >> 73 >> Peter SM2CEW > _ > Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband [3] - Topband > Reflector > > __
Re: Topband: Summer Update & a Surprise
Here’s where the DXCC standings are listed http://www.arrl.org/dxcc-standings Can you please show me where 160M CW is? 73 Mark K3MSB On Thu, Aug 1, 2019, 9:35 AM wrote: > It already has them. Mixed is mixed (all modes including FT8, RTTY, SSB, > AM, CW, etc), CW is CW, Phone is AM, SSB and FM, Digital is all digital > machine modes (RTTY, FT8/4, JT65 etc). > > So if you are offended that DXCC is being "degraded" by FT8 contacts, just > look/compare at the CW and SSB mode results only. > > Problem solved! > > 73, Kevin K3OX > > - Original Message - > From: FZ Bruce > To: 'uy0zg' > Cc: 'Andrzej_SP6AEG' , 'topband@contesting.com' < > topband@contesting.com> > Sent: Thu, 01 Aug 2019 09:04:32 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Re: Topband: Summer Update & a Surprise > > Yes the ARRL needs to step up. > > Years ago there were foot races, then after the invention of the > bicycle races between them were common. After the automobile was > invented they raced. No one seriously thought of foot racing > (competing) against a bicycle or automobile. > ARRL DXCC competition bands need sub categories. > 73 > Bruce-K1FZ > > -From: "uy0zg" > To: "Andrzej_SP6AEG" > Cc: topband@contesting.com > Sent: Thursday August 1 2019 8:53:37AM > Subject: Re: Topband: Summer Update & a Surprise > > Hi Andy Hi All > > Absolutely simple and correct. > > Why don't ARRL leaders understand this? > > It is not possible to equate the results of a robot operator with the > > results of a human operator. > > For FT8, there should only be a separate category for DXCC. > > --- > Nick, UY0ZG > http://www.topband.in.ua [1] > > Andrzej_SP6AEG писал 2019-08-01 14:20: > > In my humble opinion, FT8 should have nothing to do with the > > competitors of > > DXCC Mix, CW, SSB or RTTY. RTTY emission was killed in short > > wavelengths, > > expeditions in the increasing percentage use FT8 as the basic > emission > > and > > this is not due to the lack of propagation. I think, the issue of > FT8 > > should > > be treated as a separate competition not included in DXCC Mix, CW, > SSB > > and > > digital. Then we can talk about competition. Otherwise, it loses > the > > value > > of DXCC from before FT8. The discussions on this list about > receiving > > antennas, the fight against QRM, etc. will end. > > > > Andy > > SP6AEG > > ========== > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of > > uy0zg > > Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2019 8:09 PM > > To: Peter Sundberg > > Cc: daraym...@iowatelecom.net; k...@aol.com; topband@contesting.com > > Subject: Re: Topband: Summer Update & a Surprise > > > > Hi Topbanders ! > > > > > > Everything is easy to fix. > > > > There should be a strict separation of achievements - > > > > 1. They are made only by man. > > > > 2. They are made only on the computer. > > > > > > Delete Mixed Achievement Chart : > > > > http://www.topband.in.ua [2] > > > > > > > > > > Peter Sundberg писал 2019-07-31 20:31: > >> If we CW operators would all stay on a very tight frequency > passband > >> and call CQ every 15 seconds I bet there would be a lot of > interesting > >> things happening to us also. Especially if we do it 24/7 or at > least > >> every hour that we are not asleep. > >> > >> However, PC-automation has it's advantages, some are at work while > >> working DX and others are gardening. Some even sit by the radio/PC > and > >> watch things happen :-) > >> > >> Bottom line is, we need to activate our transmitters more and not > just > >> listen for others. A perfect example is Bill KH7XS who opens up > almost > >> any seemingly "dead" band to Europe, at any time, just by calling > CQ > >> for a while. > >> > >> CW is not only great fun as you say Dave, CW is King! > >> > >> 73 > >> Peter SM2CEW > > _ > > Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband [3] - > Topband > > Reflector > > > > _ > > Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband [4] - > Topband > > Reflector > _ > Searchable Archives: http://www.conte
Re: Topband: Summer Update & a Surprise
It already has them. Mixed is mixed (all modes including FT8, RTTY, SSB, AM, CW, etc), CW is CW, Phone is AM, SSB and FM, Digital is all digital machine modes (RTTY, FT8/4, JT65 etc). So if you are offended that DXCC is being "degraded" by FT8 contacts, just look/compare at the CW and SSB mode results only. Problem solved! 73, Kevin K3OX - Original Message - From: FZ Bruce To: 'uy0zg' Cc: 'Andrzej_SP6AEG' , 'topband@contesting.com' Sent: Thu, 01 Aug 2019 09:04:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Topband: Summer Update & a Surprise Yes the ARRL needs to step up. Years ago there were foot races, then after the invention of the bicycle races between them were common. After the automobile was invented they raced. No one seriously thought of foot racing (competing) against a bicycle or automobile. ARRL DXCC competition bands need sub categories. 73 Bruce-K1FZ -From: "uy0zg" To: "Andrzej_SP6AEG" Cc: topband@contesting.com Sent: Thursday August 1 2019 8:53:37AM Subject: Re: Topband: Summer Update & a Surprise Hi Andy Hi All Absolutely simple and correct. Why don't ARRL leaders understand this? It is not possible to equate the results of a robot operator with the results of a human operator. For FT8, there should only be a separate category for DXCC. --- Nick, UY0ZG http://www.topband.in.ua [1] Andrzej_SP6AEG писал 2019-08-01 14:20: > In my humble opinion, FT8 should have nothing to do with the > competitors of > DXCC Mix, CW, SSB or RTTY. RTTY emission was killed in short > wavelengths, > expeditions in the increasing percentage use FT8 as the basic emission > and > this is not due to the lack of propagation. I think, the issue of FT8 > should > be treated as a separate competition not included in DXCC Mix, CW, SSB > and > digital. Then we can talk about competition. Otherwise, it loses the > value > of DXCC from before FT8. The discussions on this list about receiving > antennas, the fight against QRM, etc. will end. > > Andy > SP6AEG > == > > -Original Message- > From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of > uy0zg > Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2019 8:09 PM > To: Peter Sundberg > Cc: daraym...@iowatelecom.net; k...@aol.com; topband@contesting.com > Subject: Re: Topband: Summer Update & a Surprise > > Hi Topbanders ! > > > Everything is easy to fix. > > There should be a strict separation of achievements - > > 1. They are made only by man. > > 2. They are made only on the computer. > > > Delete Mixed Achievement Chart : > > http://www.topband.in.ua [2] > > > > > Peter Sundberg писал 2019-07-31 20:31: >> If we CW operators would all stay on a very tight frequency passband >> and call CQ every 15 seconds I bet there would be a lot of interesting >> things happening to us also. Especially if we do it 24/7 or at least >> every hour that we are not asleep. >> >> However, PC-automation has it's advantages, some are at work while >> working DX and others are gardening. Some even sit by the radio/PC and >> watch things happen :-) >> >> Bottom line is, we need to activate our transmitters more and not just >> listen for others. A perfect example is Bill KH7XS who opens up almost >> any seemingly "dead" band to Europe, at any time, just by calling CQ >> for a while. >> >> CW is not only great fun as you say Dave, CW is King! >> >> 73 >> Peter SM2CEW > _ > Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband [3] - Topband > Reflector > > _ > Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband [4] - Topband > Reflector _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband [5] - Topband Reflector Links: -- [1] http://www.topband.in.ua [2] http://www.arrl.org/system/dxcc/view/DXCC-160M-20190731-A4.pdf#page=1=a http://www.arrl.org/system/dxcc/view/DXCC-160M-20190731-A4.pdf#page=1=a /> > uto,-12,848 > > And then FT8 (and many future FTs ) will lose popularity. > > Only children will play with them ... > > > --- > Nick, UY0ZG > http://www.contesting.com/_topband [4] http://www.contesting.com/_topband [5] http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
Re: Topband: Summer Update & a Surprise
Hi Bruce and gang, I don't think we should think of DXCC as a competition, but rather personal goals since everyone's station is totally different including location. Nevertheless I too believe FT8 should be a separate category, and I feel David (K3KY) has made the strongest case I have ever heard for doing this, and that's band (spectrum) preservation. The ARRL like all hams are very concerned about protecting our bands from other radio services, and making FT8 a separate category would certainly support the protection efforts (provide incentive for folks to still use CW or Phone to acquire DXCC CW or DXCC Phone awards, thus helping to keep our assigned spectrum's active as much as possible). Don Kirk (wd8dsb) On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 9:04 AM FZ Bruce wrote: > Yes the ARRL needs to step up. > > Years ago there were foot races, then after the invention of the > bicycle races between them were common. After the automobile was > invented they raced. No one seriously thought of foot racing > (competing) against a bicycle or automobile. > ARRL DXCC competition bands need sub categories. > 73 > Bruce-K1FZ > > -From: "uy0zg" > To: "Andrzej_SP6AEG" > Cc: topband@contesting.com > Sent: Thursday August 1 2019 8:53:37AM > Subject: Re: Topband: Summer Update & a Surprise > > Hi Andy Hi All > > Absolutely simple and correct. > > Why don't ARRL leaders understand this? > > It is not possible to equate the results of a robot operator with the > > results of a human operator. > > For FT8, there should only be a separate category for DXCC. > > --- > Nick, UY0ZG > http://www.topband.in.ua [1] > > Andrzej_SP6AEG писал 2019-08-01 14:20: > > In my humble opinion, FT8 should have nothing to do with the > > competitors of > > DXCC Mix, CW, SSB or RTTY. RTTY emission was killed in short > > wavelengths, > > expeditions in the increasing percentage use FT8 as the basic > emission > > and > > this is not due to the lack of propagation. I think, the issue of > FT8 > > should > > be treated as a separate competition not included in DXCC Mix, CW, > SSB > > and > > digital. Then we can talk about competition. Otherwise, it loses > the > > value > > of DXCC from before FT8. The discussions on this list about > receiving > > antennas, the fight against QRM, etc. will end. > > > > Andy > > SP6AEG > > == > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of > > uy0zg > > Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2019 8:09 PM > > To: Peter Sundberg > > Cc: daraym...@iowatelecom.net; k...@aol.com; topband@contesting.com > > Subject: Re: Topband: Summer Update & a Surprise > > > > Hi Topbanders ! > > > > > > Everything is easy to fix. > > > > There should be a strict separation of achievements - > > > > 1. They are made only by man. > > > > 2. They are made only on the computer. > > > > > > Delete Mixed Achievement Chart : > > > > http://www.topband.in.ua [2] > > > > > > > > > > Peter Sundberg писал 2019-07-31 20:31: > >> If we CW operators would all stay on a very tight frequency > passband > >> and call CQ every 15 seconds I bet there would be a lot of > interesting > >> things happening to us also. Especially if we do it 24/7 or at > least > >> every hour that we are not asleep. > >> > >> However, PC-automation has it's advantages, some are at work while > >> working DX and others are gardening. Some even sit by the radio/PC > and > >> watch things happen :-) > >> > >> Bottom line is, we need to activate our transmitters more and not > just > >> listen for others. A perfect example is Bill KH7XS who opens up > almost > >> any seemingly "dead" band to Europe, at any time, just by calling > CQ > >> for a while. > >> > >> CW is not only great fun as you say Dave, CW is King! > >> > >> 73 > >> Peter SM2CEW > > _ > > Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband [3] - > Topband > > Reflector > > > > _ > > Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband [4] - > Topband > > Reflector > _ > Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband [5] - Topband > Reflector > > > Links: > -- > [1] http://www.topband.in.ua > [2] > > http://www.arrl.org/system/dxcc/view/DXCC-160M-20190731-A4.pdf#page=1=a > > http://www.arrl.org/system/dxcc/view/DXCC-160M-20190731-A4.pdf#page=1=a > /> > uto,-12,848 > > > > And then FT8 (and many future FTs ) will lose popularity. > > > > Only children will play with them ... > > > > > > --- > > Nick, UY0ZG > > [3] http://www.contesting.com/_topband > [4] http://www.contesting.com/_topband > [5] http://www.contesting.com/_topband > > _ > Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband > Reflector > _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
Re: Topband: Summer Update & a Surprise
Yes the ARRL needs to step up. Years ago there were foot races, then after the invention of the bicycle races between them were common. After the automobile was invented they raced. No one seriously thought of foot racing (competing) against a bicycle or automobile. ARRL DXCC competition bands need sub categories. 73 Bruce-K1FZ -From: "uy0zg" To: "Andrzej_SP6AEG" Cc: topband@contesting.com Sent: Thursday August 1 2019 8:53:37AM Subject: Re: Topband: Summer Update & a Surprise Hi Andy Hi All Absolutely simple and correct. Why don't ARRL leaders understand this? It is not possible to equate the results of a robot operator with the results of a human operator. For FT8, there should only be a separate category for DXCC. --- Nick, UY0ZG http://www.topband.in.ua [1] Andrzej_SP6AEG писал 2019-08-01 14:20: > In my humble opinion, FT8 should have nothing to do with the > competitors of > DXCC Mix, CW, SSB or RTTY. RTTY emission was killed in short > wavelengths, > expeditions in the increasing percentage use FT8 as the basic emission > and > this is not due to the lack of propagation. I think, the issue of FT8 > should > be treated as a separate competition not included in DXCC Mix, CW, SSB > and > digital. Then we can talk about competition. Otherwise, it loses the > value > of DXCC from before FT8. The discussions on this list about receiving > antennas, the fight against QRM, etc. will end. > > Andy > SP6AEG > == > > -Original Message- > From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of > uy0zg > Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2019 8:09 PM > To: Peter Sundberg > Cc: daraym...@iowatelecom.net; k...@aol.com; topband@contesting.com > Subject: Re: Topband: Summer Update & a Surprise > > Hi Topbanders ! > > > Everything is easy to fix. > > There should be a strict separation of achievements - > > 1. They are made only by man. > > 2. They are made only on the computer. > > > Delete Mixed Achievement Chart : > > http://www.topband.in.ua [2] > > > > > Peter Sundberg писал 2019-07-31 20:31: >> If we CW operators would all stay on a very tight frequency passband >> and call CQ every 15 seconds I bet there would be a lot of interesting >> things happening to us also. Especially if we do it 24/7 or at least >> every hour that we are not asleep. >> >> However, PC-automation has it's advantages, some are at work while >> working DX and others are gardening. Some even sit by the radio/PC and >> watch things happen :-) >> >> Bottom line is, we need to activate our transmitters more and not just >> listen for others. A perfect example is Bill KH7XS who opens up almost >> any seemingly "dead" band to Europe, at any time, just by calling CQ >> for a while. >> >> CW is not only great fun as you say Dave, CW is King! >> >> 73 >> Peter SM2CEW > _ > Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband [3] - Topband > Reflector > > _ > Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband [4] - Topband > Reflector _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband [5] - Topband Reflector Links: -- [1] http://www.topband.in.ua [2] http://www.arrl.org/system/dxcc/view/DXCC-160M-20190731-A4.pdf#page=1=a http://www.arrl.org/system/dxcc/view/DXCC-160M-20190731-A4.pdf#page=1=a /> > uto,-12,848 > > And then FT8 (and many future FTs ) will lose popularity. > > Only children will play with them ... > > > --- > Nick, UY0ZG > http://www.contesting.com/_topband [4] http://www.contesting.com/_topband [5] http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
Re: Topband: Summer Update & a Surprise
Hi Andy and Nick This has been asked to arrl, BUT you only get a very unfriendly answer. Take it or leave,,,They don’t want to lan to this arguments That solution had made all difference in the amateur group, for sure Kind regards Hans sm6cvx > 1 aug 2019 kl. 14:53 skrev uy0zg : > > Hi Andy Hi All > > Absolutely simple and correct. > > Why don't ARRL leaders understand this? > > It is not possible to equate the results of a robot operator with the results > of a human operator. > > For FT8, there should only be a separate category for DXCC. > > > > --- > Nick, UY0ZG > http://www.topband.in.ua > > Andrzej_SP6AEG писал 2019-08-01 14:20: >> In my humble opinion, FT8 should have nothing to do with the competitors of >> DXCC Mix, CW, SSB or RTTY. RTTY emission was killed in short wavelengths, >> expeditions in the increasing percentage use FT8 as the basic emission and >> this is not due to the lack of propagation. I think, the issue of FT8 should >> be treated as a separate competition not included in DXCC Mix, CW, SSB and >> digital. Then we can talk about competition. Otherwise, it loses the value >> of DXCC from before FT8. The discussions on this list about receiving >> antennas, the fight against QRM, etc. will end. >> Andy >> SP6AEG >> == >> -Original Message- >> From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of uy0zg >> Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2019 8:09 PM >> To: Peter Sundberg >> Cc: daraym...@iowatelecom.net; k...@aol.com; topband@contesting.com >> Subject: Re: Topband: Summer Update & a Surprise >> Hi Topbanders ! >> Everything is easy to fix. >> There should be a strict separation of achievements - >> 1. They are made only by man. >> 2. They are made only on the computer. >> Delete Mixed Achievement Chart : >> http://www.arrl.org/system/dxcc/view/DXCC-160M-20190731-A4.pdf#page=1=a >> uto,-12,848 >> And then FT8 (and many future FTs ) will lose popularity. >> Only children will play with them ... >> --- >> Nick, UY0ZG >> http://www.topband.in.ua >> Peter Sundberg писал 2019-07-31 20:31: >>> If we CW operators would all stay on a very tight frequency passband >>> and call CQ every 15 seconds I bet there would be a lot of interesting >>> things happening to us also. Especially if we do it 24/7 or at least >>> every hour that we are not asleep. >>> However, PC-automation has it's advantages, some are at work while >>> working DX and others are gardening. Some even sit by the radio/PC and >>> watch things happen :-) >>> Bottom line is, we need to activate our transmitters more and not just >>> listen for others. A perfect example is Bill KH7XS who opens up almost >>> any seemingly "dead" band to Europe, at any time, just by calling CQ >>> for a while. >>> CW is not only great fun as you say Dave, CW is King! >>> 73 >>> Peter SM2CEW >> _ >> Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector >> _ >> Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector > _ > Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
Re: Topband: Summer Update & a Surprise
Hi Andy Hi All Absolutely simple and correct. Why don't ARRL leaders understand this? It is not possible to equate the results of a robot operator with the results of a human operator. For FT8, there should only be a separate category for DXCC. --- Nick, UY0ZG http://www.topband.in.ua Andrzej_SP6AEG писал 2019-08-01 14:20: In my humble opinion, FT8 should have nothing to do with the competitors of DXCC Mix, CW, SSB or RTTY. RTTY emission was killed in short wavelengths, expeditions in the increasing percentage use FT8 as the basic emission and this is not due to the lack of propagation. I think, the issue of FT8 should be treated as a separate competition not included in DXCC Mix, CW, SSB and digital. Then we can talk about competition. Otherwise, it loses the value of DXCC from before FT8. The discussions on this list about receiving antennas, the fight against QRM, etc. will end. Andy SP6AEG == -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of uy0zg Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2019 8:09 PM To: Peter Sundberg Cc: daraym...@iowatelecom.net; k...@aol.com; topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: Summer Update & a Surprise Hi Topbanders ! Everything is easy to fix. There should be a strict separation of achievements - 1. They are made only by man. 2. They are made only on the computer. Delete Mixed Achievement Chart : http://www.arrl.org/system/dxcc/view/DXCC-160M-20190731-A4.pdf#page=1=a uto,-12,848 And then FT8 (and many future FTs ) will lose popularity. Only children will play with them ... --- Nick, UY0ZG http://www.topband.in.ua Peter Sundberg писал 2019-07-31 20:31: If we CW operators would all stay on a very tight frequency passband and call CQ every 15 seconds I bet there would be a lot of interesting things happening to us also. Especially if we do it 24/7 or at least every hour that we are not asleep. However, PC-automation has it's advantages, some are at work while working DX and others are gardening. Some even sit by the radio/PC and watch things happen :-) Bottom line is, we need to activate our transmitters more and not just listen for others. A perfect example is Bill KH7XS who opens up almost any seemingly "dead" band to Europe, at any time, just by calling CQ for a while. CW is not only great fun as you say Dave, CW is King! 73 Peter SM2CEW _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
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In my humble opinion, FT8 should have nothing to do with the competitors of DXCC Mix, CW, SSB or RTTY. RTTY emission was killed in short wavelengths, expeditions in the increasing percentage use FT8 as the basic emission and this is not due to the lack of propagation. I think, the issue of FT8 should be treated as a separate competition not included in DXCC Mix, CW, SSB and digital. Then we can talk about competition. Otherwise, it loses the value of DXCC from before FT8. The discussions on this list about receiving antennas, the fight against QRM, etc. will end. Andy SP6AEG == -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of uy0zg Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2019 8:09 PM To: Peter Sundberg Cc: daraym...@iowatelecom.net; k...@aol.com; topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: Summer Update & a Surprise Hi Topbanders ! Everything is easy to fix. There should be a strict separation of achievements - 1. They are made only by man. 2. They are made only on the computer. Delete Mixed Achievement Chart : http://www.arrl.org/system/dxcc/view/DXCC-160M-20190731-A4.pdf#page=1=a uto,-12,848 And then FT8 (and many future FTs ) will lose popularity. Only children will play with them ... --- Nick, UY0ZG http://www.topband.in.ua Peter Sundberg писал 2019-07-31 20:31: > If we CW operators would all stay on a very tight frequency passband > and call CQ every 15 seconds I bet there would be a lot of interesting > things happening to us also. Especially if we do it 24/7 or at least > every hour that we are not asleep. > > However, PC-automation has it's advantages, some are at work while > working DX and others are gardening. Some even sit by the radio/PC and > watch things happen :-) > > Bottom line is, we need to activate our transmitters more and not just > listen for others. A perfect example is Bill KH7XS who opens up almost > any seemingly "dead" band to Europe, at any time, just by calling CQ > for a while. > > CW is not only great fun as you say Dave, CW is King! > > 73 > Peter SM2CEW _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
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I reached the same pivot point that Jeff did this year but choose the other path. I have left DXing from a band perspective. FT8 is not enjoyable to me and doing something not enjoyable to build totals is not a good use of time for me. I am looking for 9BWAZ and ATNO counters on modes now only. Hoping that there will remain some remaining activity on the fringe bands to make that pursuit still enjoyable. Unfortunately, with all due respect to Jeff, the decisions made on 6M are exactly why 160 CW WILL be killed and those looking at their growing FT8 band totals can look in the mirror and thank themselves for insuring it. Don't let 160M become exactly 6M by just joining in and then bemoaning its demise on CW. Thankfully, CW and SSB contesting is thriving and continues to be a fantastic experience for me. I am focusing my radio time on those areas and keeping my eye on 9BWAZ and my few remaining mode ATNO opportunities. Lots of fun ahead to try and work about my remaining 10 zones on 160M and 4 zones on 80M. Now is the time at the low end of the cycle. I don't say anything negative to people making choices different than mine. But don't kid yourselves on how your own choices are affecting the outcome. THEY ARE! Ed N1UR _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
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For ARRL non-members, who will not be able to access the article "Rotten Damped Spark Stuff" behind the pay wall, a Google search (www.startpage.com) on that phrase produced exactly one relevant hit: http://w2pa.net/HRH/spark-to-cw/ It's actually a pretty good summary of the beginnings of the demise of spark. I learned a few new things there. It does help put it all in perspective. I continue to be *Massively* uninterested in digital modes on HF radio in the form they are currently taking. (Yawn) I can do essentially all that on the internet all day long. But perhaps there is some truth to the notion that digital is 'saving' ham radio. I really don't know... Yes, ham radio will change. I'm OK with that. No, really... Young whippersnappers! When did I change into an old fart anyway? Somehow I missed that... I have returned to building gear with vacuum tubes, catering to my lifelong CW addiction. I find satisfaction working at the bench and sending or answering CQ's to what at times may seem like an empty band- or occasionally tuning down to the low end to see what DX I might find. Life is good... SM6CVX Hans may have it right. From my perspective, it does indeed appear that the sky has already fallen with respect to CW and 6 meters- and apparently top band is well on the way. If ham HF operation contracts into just a few clusters (of digital,) it would be understandable if the 'authorities', sensing weakness and seemingly vast tracts of unused frequencies, moved to shrink the ham bands. It has happened before (220MHz). Or perhaps they just take the ham bands by stealth by approving noxious wide band digital unattended messaging systems, commercial traffic in disguise. It seems unlikely that ARRL will ever de-conflict CW/SSB etc. vs. computer assisted modes for DXCC awards, but that is what it would take to fix this mess IMO. Thank you, my old friend CW, for all the happy memories. You will go on a while longer, still having many friends and supporters- even some young ones... 73, David K3KY > Original Message > Subject: Re: Topband: Summer Update & a Surprise > From: donov...@starpower.net > Date: Thu, August 01, 2019 12:13 am > To: topband@contesting.com > > > Rotten Damped Spark Stuff > > > http://p1k.arrl.org/pubs_archive/2989 > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "W0MU Mike Fatchett" > To: topband@contesting.com > Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2019 10:30:27 PM > Subject: Re: Topband: Summer Update & a Surprise > > Same thing was said about SSB. > > The sky is not falling. > > K1JT might have saved Ham Radio. Seems to be quite popular. 60 plus > percent of all LOTW confirms are FT-X nowSpeaks volumes. > > There is room for CW, SSB, FT-X on topband and all bands. > > Criticizing people playing radio seems unproductive. > > W0MU > > On 7/31/2019 3:16 PM, Hans Hjelmström wrote: > > UNFORTUNATELY K1JT and FT 8 killed amateur radio on 6 meters. > > It will kill it on 160 meters,and SOON it will kill all amateur radio > > activity on all bands. > > > > Soon authorities will reduce our bands,as we do not use these frequencies > > any more. > > > > SORRY its all gone from enjoy ,challenge and efforts to a computer fake > > game. > > > > CW will be unknown in 20 years,as most of elder Hams are SK ,and newcomers > > do not need it. > > > > SAD and unfortunately facts. > > > > Kind regards ( still refuse FT 8 ,and will never use it) > > > > SM6CVX Hans > >> 31 jul 2019 kl. 18:39 skrev daraym...@iowatelecom.net: > >> > >> Interesting observations Jeff. I will remain on 160 CW as I have in years > >> past. I enjoy the visceral satisfaction that comes with pulling out the > >> weak signals and having direct, unencumbered interaction with the station > >> to which I'm communicating. . .or trying. . .hi. CW is still great fun. > >> > >> 73. . . Dave, W0FLS > >> > >> -Original Message- From: k1zm--- via Topband > >> Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2019 7:20 AM > >> To: topband@contesting.com > >> Subject: Topband: Summer Update & a Surprise > >> > >> Hi Gang > >> > >> > >> It is mid summer here and E season on 6M has been fun to play with while > >> 160m is pretty S L O W as it usually is. > >> On these pages there has been alot of chatter regarding FT8 - (which > >> basically took over 6M DX'ing starting in July 2917 - all DX is now on > >> 50.313 FT8 - which is why I had to adopt this mode in order to continue > >> DX'ing on 6m). It was either do t
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Rotten Damped Spark Stuff http://p1k.arrl.org/pubs_archive/2989 - Original Message - From: "W0MU Mike Fatchett" To: topband@contesting.com Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2019 10:30:27 PM Subject: Re: Topband: Summer Update & a Surprise Same thing was said about SSB. The sky is not falling. K1JT might have saved Ham Radio. Seems to be quite popular. 60 plus percent of all LOTW confirms are FT-X nowSpeaks volumes. There is room for CW, SSB, FT-X on topband and all bands. Criticizing people playing radio seems unproductive. W0MU On 7/31/2019 3:16 PM, Hans Hjelmström wrote: > UNFORTUNATELY K1JT and FT 8 killed amateur radio on 6 meters. > It will kill it on 160 meters,and SOON it will kill all amateur radio > activity on all bands. > > Soon authorities will reduce our bands,as we do not use these frequencies any > more. > > SORRY its all gone from enjoy ,challenge and efforts to a computer fake game. > > CW will be unknown in 20 years,as most of elder Hams are SK ,and newcomers do > not need it. > > SAD and unfortunately facts. > > Kind regards ( still refuse FT 8 ,and will never use it) > > SM6CVX Hans >> 31 jul 2019 kl. 18:39 skrev daraym...@iowatelecom.net: >> >> Interesting observations Jeff. I will remain on 160 CW as I have in years >> past. I enjoy the visceral satisfaction that comes with pulling out the weak >> signals and having direct, unencumbered interaction with the station to >> which I'm communicating. . .or trying. . .hi. CW is still great fun. >> >> 73. . . Dave, W0FLS >> >> -Original Message----- From: k1zm--- via Topband >> Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2019 7:20 AM >> To: topband@contesting.com >> Subject: Topband: Summer Update & a Surprise >> >> Hi Gang >> >> >> It is mid summer here and E season on 6M has been fun to play with while >> 160m is pretty S L O W as it usually is. >> On these pages there has been alot of chatter regarding FT8 - (which >> basically took over 6M DX'ing starting in July 2917 - all DX is now on >> 50.313 FT8 - which is why I had to adopt this mode in order to continue >> DX'ing on 6m). It was either do that or give up operating on 6M during E >> season. >> I do hope that CW continues to thrive on Topband - but this past season >> there was TONS of DX on FT8 and in my opinion LESS DX on CW than in prior >> years. It is quite possible to work in JA on 160m from here on FT8 with 100w >> out - which would have been quite rare indeed on CW as I recall (I do not >> think I ever worked JA with 100w from here - but who knows?) >> Today as I write this - I am listening to 28.074Mhz on a totally DEAD 10m >> band. If I tune the entire CW portion and the whole SSB portion, there is >> NOTHING - repeat NOTHING there - no signals whatsoever to be found. >> Yet on 28.074Mhz - I just worked a whole page of Europeans on FT8 - to my >> almost total INCREDULITY!! >> I am not sure how I feel about all of this - but one thing is SURE - the DX >> world has changed - and there is no looking back. >> I love CW on Topband and used to love CW on 6m - but that no longer xists >> -so I do hope the 6m migration to FT8 does not repeat itself on Topband! >> To all a good summer and CU on CW again starting in September. >> 73 JEFF VY2ZM >> >> >> . >> >> _ >> Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector >> _ >> Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector > _ > Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
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The sky is not falling for in terms of CW, it has already fallen. 73. . . Dave, W0FLS -Original Message- From: W0MU Mike Fatchett Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2019 5:30 PM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: Summer Update & a Surprise Same thing was said about SSB. The sky is not falling. K1JT might have saved Ham Radio. Seems to be quite popular. 60 plus percent of all LOTW confirms are FT-X nowSpeaks volumes. There is room for CW, SSB, FT-X on topband and all bands. Criticizing people playing radio seems unproductive. W0MU On 7/31/2019 3:16 PM, Hans Hjelmström wrote: UNFORTUNATELY K1JT and FT 8 killed amateur radio on 6 meters. It will kill it on 160 meters,and SOON it will kill all amateur radio activity on all bands. Soon authorities will reduce our bands,as we do not use these frequencies any more. SORRY its all gone from enjoy ,challenge and efforts to a computer fake game. CW will be unknown in 20 years,as most of elder Hams are SK ,and newcomers do not need it. SAD and unfortunately facts. Kind regards ( still refuse FT 8 ,and will never use it) SM6CVX Hans 31 jul 2019 kl. 18:39 skrev daraym...@iowatelecom.net: Interesting observations Jeff. I will remain on 160 CW as I have in years past. I enjoy the visceral satisfaction that comes with pulling out the weak signals and having direct, unencumbered interaction with the station to which I'm communicating. . .or trying. . .hi. CW is still great fun. 73. . . Dave, W0FLS -Original Message- From: k1zm--- via Topband Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2019 7:20 AM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Topband: Summer Update & a Surprise Hi Gang It is mid summer here and E season on 6M has been fun to play with while 160m is pretty S L O W as it usually is. On these pages there has been alot of chatter regarding FT8 - (which basically took over 6M DX'ing starting in July 2917 - all DX is now on 50.313 FT8 - which is why I had to adopt this mode in order to continue DX'ing on 6m). It was either do that or give up operating on 6M during E season. I do hope that CW continues to thrive on Topband - but this past season there was TONS of DX on FT8 and in my opinion LESS DX on CW than in prior years. It is quite possible to work in JA on 160m from here on FT8 with 100w out - which would have been quite rare indeed on CW as I recall (I do not think I ever worked JA with 100w from here - but who knows?) Today as I write this - I am listening to 28.074Mhz on a totally DEAD 10m band. If I tune the entire CW portion and the whole SSB portion, there is NOTHING - repeat NOTHING there - no signals whatsoever to be found. Yet on 28.074Mhz - I just worked a whole page of Europeans on FT8 - to my almost total INCREDULITY!! I am not sure how I feel about all of this - but one thing is SURE - the DX world has changed - and there is no looking back. I love CW on Topband and used to love CW on 6m - but that no longer ists -so I do hope the 6m migration to FT8 does not repeat itself on Topband! To all a good summer and CU on CW again starting in September. 73 JEFF VY2ZM . _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
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ARRL is NOT HELPING simple solution...if ARRL will make FT modes NON VALID for DXCC I am surethis will make the use of FT mode used only to whom really likes it and will NOT kill the CW skills. just my opinion I5NPH Natale Il 01/08/2019 00:30, W0MU Mike Fatchett ha scritto: Same thing was said about SSB. The sky is not falling. K1JT might have saved Ham Radio. Seems to be quite popular. 60 plus percent of all LOTW confirms are FT-X nowSpeaks volumes. There is room for CW, SSB, FT-X on topband and all bands. Criticizing people playing radio seems unproductive. W0MU On 7/31/2019 3:16 PM, Hans Hjelmström wrote: UNFORTUNATELY K1JT and FT 8 killed amateur radio on 6 meters. It will kill it on 160 meters,and SOON it will kill all amateur radio activity on all bands. Soon authorities will reduce our bands,as we do not use these frequencies any more. SORRY its all gone from enjoy ,challenge and efforts to a computer fake game. CW will be unknown in 20 years,as most of elder Hams are SK ,and newcomers do not need it. SAD and unfortunately facts. Kind regards ( still refuse FT 8 ,and will never use it) SM6CVX Hans 31 jul 2019 kl. 18:39 skrev daraym...@iowatelecom.net: Interesting observations Jeff. I will remain on 160 CW as I have in years past. I enjoy the visceral satisfaction that comes with pulling out the weak signals and having direct, unencumbered interaction with the station to which I'm communicating. . .or trying. . .hi. CW is still great fun. 73. . . Dave, W0FLS -Original Message- From: k1zm--- via Topband Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2019 7:20 AM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Topband: Summer Update & a Surprise Hi Gang It is mid summer here and E season on 6M has been fun to play with while 160m is pretty S L O W as it usually is. On these pages there has been alot of chatter regarding FT8 - (which basically took over 6M DX'ing starting in July 2917 - all DX is now on 50.313 FT8 - which is why I had to adopt this mode in order to continue DX'ing on 6m). It was either do that or give up operating on 6M during E season. I do hope that CW continues to thrive on Topband - but this past season there was TONS of DX on FT8 and in my opinion LESS DX on CW than in prior years. It is quite possible to work in JA on 160m from here on FT8 with 100w out - which would have been quite rare indeed on CW as I recall (I do not think I ever worked JA with 100w from here - but who knows?) Today as I write this - I am listening to 28.074Mhz on a totally DEAD 10m band. If I tune the entire CW portion and the whole SSB portion, there is NOTHING - repeat NOTHING there - no signals whatsoever to be found. Yet on 28.074Mhz - I just worked a whole page of Europeans on FT8 - to my almost total INCREDULITY!! I am not sure how I feel about all of this - but one thing is SURE - the DX world has changed - and there is no looking back. I love CW on Topband and used to love CW on 6m - but that no longer xists -so I do hope the 6m migration to FT8 does not repeat itself on Topband! To all a good summer and CU on CW again starting in September. 73 JEFF VY2ZM . _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector -- Natale Borghetti I5NPH nborghe...@alice.it _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
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Well said, Mike! :-) On Wed, Jul 31, 2019, 5:30 PM W0MU Mike Fatchett wrote: > Same thing was said about SSB. > > The sky is not falling. > > K1JT might have saved Ham Radio. Seems to be quite popular. 60 plus > percent of all LOTW confirms are FT-X nowSpeaks volumes. > > There is room for CW, SSB, FT-X on topband and all bands. > > Criticizing people playing radio seems unproductive. > > W0MU > > On 7/31/2019 3:16 PM, Hans Hjelmström wrote: > > UNFORTUNATELY K1JT and FT 8 killed amateur radio on 6 meters. > > It will kill it on 160 meters,and SOON it will kill all amateur radio > activity on all bands. > > > > Soon authorities will reduce our bands,as we do not use these > frequencies any more. > > > > SORRY its all gone from enjoy ,challenge and efforts to a computer fake > game. > > > > CW will be unknown in 20 years,as most of elder Hams are SK ,and > newcomers do not need it. > > > > SAD and unfortunately facts. > > > > Kind regards ( still refuse FT 8 ,and will never use it) > > > > SM6CVX Hans > >> > _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
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Same thing was said about SSB. The sky is not falling. K1JT might have saved Ham Radio. Seems to be quite popular. 60 plus percent of all LOTW confirms are FT-X nowSpeaks volumes. There is room for CW, SSB, FT-X on topband and all bands. Criticizing people playing radio seems unproductive. W0MU On 7/31/2019 3:16 PM, Hans Hjelmström wrote: UNFORTUNATELY K1JT and FT 8 killed amateur radio on 6 meters. It will kill it on 160 meters,and SOON it will kill all amateur radio activity on all bands. Soon authorities will reduce our bands,as we do not use these frequencies any more. SORRY its all gone from enjoy ,challenge and efforts to a computer fake game. CW will be unknown in 20 years,as most of elder Hams are SK ,and newcomers do not need it. SAD and unfortunately facts. Kind regards ( still refuse FT 8 ,and will never use it) SM6CVX Hans 31 jul 2019 kl. 18:39 skrev daraym...@iowatelecom.net: Interesting observations Jeff. I will remain on 160 CW as I have in years past. I enjoy the visceral satisfaction that comes with pulling out the weak signals and having direct, unencumbered interaction with the station to which I'm communicating. . .or trying. . .hi. CW is still great fun. 73. . . Dave, W0FLS -Original Message- From: k1zm--- via Topband Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2019 7:20 AM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Topband: Summer Update & a Surprise Hi Gang It is mid summer here and E season on 6M has been fun to play with while 160m is pretty S L O W as it usually is. On these pages there has been alot of chatter regarding FT8 - (which basically took over 6M DX'ing starting in July 2917 - all DX is now on 50.313 FT8 - which is why I had to adopt this mode in order to continue DX'ing on 6m). It was either do that or give up operating on 6M during E season. I do hope that CW continues to thrive on Topband - but this past season there was TONS of DX on FT8 and in my opinion LESS DX on CW than in prior years. It is quite possible to work in JA on 160m from here on FT8 with 100w out - which would have been quite rare indeed on CW as I recall (I do not think I ever worked JA with 100w from here - but who knows?) Today as I write this - I am listening to 28.074Mhz on a totally DEAD 10m band. If I tune the entire CW portion and the whole SSB portion, there is NOTHING - repeat NOTHING there - no signals whatsoever to be found. Yet on 28.074Mhz - I just worked a whole page of Europeans on FT8 - to my almost total INCREDULITY!! I am not sure how I feel about all of this - but one thing is SURE - the DX world has changed - and there is no looking back. I love CW on Topband and used to love CW on 6m - but that no longer xists -so I do hope the 6m migration to FT8 does not repeat itself on Topband! To all a good summer and CU on CW again starting in September. 73 JEFF VY2ZM . _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
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Which was still not helpful K5DL Sent from my Verizon Motorola Smartphone On Jul 31, 2019 4:54 PM, Wes wrote: > > It helped you know what his opinion is. > > Wes N7WS > > On 7/31/2019 2:27 PM, Mike Waters wrote: > > This post is not helpful, but thank you for you opinion. > > > > On Wed, Jul 31, 2019, 4:17 PM Hans Hjelmström wrote: > > > >> UNFORTUNATELY K1JT and FT 8 killed amateur radio on 6 meters. > >> It will kill it on 160 meters,and SOON it will kill all amateur radio > >> activity on all bands. > >> > > _ > Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
Re: Topband: Summer Update & a Surprise
It helped you know what his opinion is. Wes N7WS On 7/31/2019 2:27 PM, Mike Waters wrote: This post is not helpful, but thank you for you opinion. On Wed, Jul 31, 2019, 4:17 PM Hans Hjelmström wrote: UNFORTUNATELY K1JT and FT 8 killed amateur radio on 6 meters. It will kill it on 160 meters,and SOON it will kill all amateur radio activity on all bands. _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
Re: Topband: Summer Update & a Surprise
This post is not helpful, but thank you for you opinion. On Wed, Jul 31, 2019, 4:17 PM Hans Hjelmström wrote: > UNFORTUNATELY K1JT and FT 8 killed amateur radio on 6 meters. > It will kill it on 160 meters,and SOON it will kill all amateur radio > activity on all bands. > _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
Re: Topband: Summer Update & a Surprise
UNFORTUNATELY K1JT and FT 8 killed amateur radio on 6 meters. It will kill it on 160 meters,and SOON it will kill all amateur radio activity on all bands. Soon authorities will reduce our bands,as we do not use these frequencies any more. SORRY its all gone from enjoy ,challenge and efforts to a computer fake game. CW will be unknown in 20 years,as most of elder Hams are SK ,and newcomers do not need it. SAD and unfortunately facts. Kind regards ( still refuse FT 8 ,and will never use it) SM6CVX Hans > 31 jul 2019 kl. 18:39 skrev daraym...@iowatelecom.net: > > Interesting observations Jeff. I will remain on 160 CW as I have in years > past. I enjoy the visceral satisfaction that comes with pulling out the weak > signals and having direct, unencumbered interaction with the station to which > I'm communicating. . .or trying. . .hi. CW is still great fun. > > 73. . . Dave, W0FLS > > -Original Message- From: k1zm--- via Topband > Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2019 7:20 AM > To: topband@contesting.com > Subject: Topband: Summer Update & a Surprise > > Hi Gang > > > It is mid summer here and E season on 6M has been fun to play with while 160m > is pretty S L O W as it usually is. > On these pages there has been alot of chatter regarding FT8 - (which > basically took over 6M DX'ing starting in July 2917 - all DX is now on 50.313 > FT8 - which is why I had to adopt this mode in order to continue DX'ing on > 6m). It was either do that or give up operating on 6M during E season. > I do hope that CW continues to thrive on Topband - but this past season there > was TONS of DX on FT8 and in my opinion LESS DX on CW than in prior years. > It is quite possible to work in JA on 160m from here on FT8 with 100w out - > which would have been quite rare indeed on CW as I recall (I do not think I > ever worked JA with 100w from here - but who knows?) > Today as I write this - I am listening to 28.074Mhz on a totally DEAD 10m > band. If I tune the entire CW portion and the whole SSB portion, there is > NOTHING - repeat NOTHING there - no signals whatsoever to be found. > Yet on 28.074Mhz - I just worked a whole page of Europeans on FT8 - to my > almost total INCREDULITY!! > I am not sure how I feel about all of this - but one thing is SURE - the DX > world has changed - and there is no looking back. > I love CW on Topband and used to love CW on 6m - but that no longer xists > -so I do hope the 6m migration to FT8 does not repeat itself on Topband! > To all a good summer and CU on CW again starting in September. > 73 JEFF VY2ZM > > > . > > _ > Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector > _ > Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
Re: Topband: Summer Update & a Surprise
Hi Topbanders ! Everything is easy to fix. There should be a strict separation of achievements - 1. They are made only by man. 2. They are made only on the computer. Delete Mixed Achievement Chart : http://www.arrl.org/system/dxcc/view/DXCC-160M-20190731-A4.pdf#page=1=auto,-12,848 And then FT8 (and many future FTs ) will lose popularity. Only children will play with them ... --- Nick, UY0ZG http://www.topband.in.ua Peter Sundberg писал 2019-07-31 20:31: If we CW operators would all stay on a very tight frequency passband and call CQ every 15 seconds I bet there would be a lot of interesting things happening to us also. Especially if we do it 24/7 or at least every hour that we are not asleep. However, PC-automation has it's advantages, some are at work while working DX and others are gardening. Some even sit by the radio/PC and watch things happen :-) Bottom line is, we need to activate our transmitters more and not just listen for others. A perfect example is Bill KH7XS who opens up almost any seemingly "dead" band to Europe, at any time, just by calling CQ for a while. CW is not only great fun as you say Dave, CW is King! 73 Peter SM2CEW _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
Re: Topband: Summer Update & a Surprise
If we CW operators would all stay on a very tight frequency passband and call CQ every 15 seconds I bet there would be a lot of interesting things happening to us also. Especially if we do it 24/7 or at least every hour that we are not asleep. However, PC-automation has it's advantages, some are at work while working DX and others are gardening. Some even sit by the radio/PC and watch things happen :-) Bottom line is, we need to activate our transmitters more and not just listen for others. A perfect example is Bill KH7XS who opens up almost any seemingly "dead" band to Europe, at any time, just by calling CQ for a while. CW is not only great fun as you say Dave, CW is King! 73 Peter SM2CEW At 16:39 2019-07-31, daraym...@iowatelecom.net wrote: Interesting observations Jeff. I will remain on 160 CW as I have in years past. I enjoy the visceral satisfaction that comes with pulling out the weak signals and having direct, unencumbered interaction with the station to which I'm communicating. . .or trying. . .hi. CW is still great fun. 73. . . Dave, W0FLS -Original Message- From: k1zm--- via Topband Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2019 7:20 AM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Topband: Summer Update & a Surprise Hi Gang It is mid summer here and E season on 6M has been fun to play with while 160m is pretty S L O W as it usually is. On these pages there has been alot of chatter regarding FT8 - (which basically took over 6M DX'ing starting in July 2917 - all DX is now on 50.313 FT8 - which is why I had to adopt this mode in order to continue DX'ing on 6m). It was either do that or give up operating on 6M during E season. I do hope that CW continues to thrive on Topband - but this past season there was TONS of DX on FT8 and in my opinion LESS DX on CW than in prior years. It is quite possible to work in JA on 160m from here on FT8 with 100w out - which would have been quite rare indeed on CW as I recall (I do not think I ever worked JA with 100w from here - but who knows?) Today as I write this - I am listening to 28.074Mhz on a totally DEAD 10m band. If I tune the entire CW portion and the whole SSB portion, there is NOTHING - repeat NOTHING there - no signals whatsoever to be found. Yet on 28.074Mhz - I just worked a whole page of Europeans on FT8 - to my almost total INCREDULITY!! I am not sure how I feel about all of this - but one thing is SURE - the DX world has changed - and there is no looking back. I love CW on Topband and used to love CW on 6m - but that no longer xists -so I do hope the 6m migration to FT8 does not repeat itself on Topband! To all a good summer and CU on CW again starting in September. 73 JEFF VY2ZM . _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
Re: Topband: Summer Update & a Surprise
Hi Jeff Your concerns are shared by a lot of us. I made the same observations about 10M several times this summer. As you said, it the way things are. I have 147 countries confirmed on 160M (all CW).I’d really like to get to 160 confirmed (CW) on 160M before the proverbial well starts to run dry….. 73 Mark K3MSB On Wed, Jul 31, 2019, 8:20 AM k1zm--- via Topband wrote: > Hi Gang > > > It is mid summer here and E season on 6M has been fun to play with while > 160m is pretty S L O W as it usually is. > On these pages there has been alot of chatter regarding FT8 - (which > basically took over 6M DX'ing starting in July 2917 - all DX is now on > 50.313 FT8 - which is why I had to adopt this mode in order to continue > DX'ing on 6m). It was either do that or give up operating on 6M during E > season. > I do hope that CW continues to thrive on Topband - but this past season > there was TONS of DX on FT8 and in my opinion LESS DX on CW than in prior > years. It is quite possible to work in JA on 160m from here on FT8 with > 100w out - which would have been quite rare indeed on CW as I recall (I do > not think I ever worked JA with 100w from here - but who knows?) > Today as I write this - I am listening to 28.074Mhz on a totally DEAD 10m > band. If I tune the entire CW portion and the whole SSB portion, there is > NOTHING - repeat NOTHING there - no signals whatsoever to be found. > Yet on 28.074Mhz - I just worked a whole page of Europeans on FT8 - to my > almost total INCREDULITY!! > I am not sure how I feel about all of this - but one thing is SURE - the > DX world has changed - and there is no looking back. > I love CW on Topband and used to love CW on 6m - but that no longer > exists -so I do hope the 6m migration to FT8 does not repeat itself on > Topband! > To all a good summer and CU on CW again starting in September. > 73 JEFF VY2ZM > > > . > > _ > Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband > Reflector > _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
Re: Topband: Summer Update & a Surprise
very low activity on CW I heard last night WT3A, very strong, and my skimmer often report Jon AA1K and few others 73, Jorge CX6VM/CW5W <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=webmail> Libre de virus. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=webmail> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> El mié., 31 jul. 2019 a las 13:39, escribió: > Interesting observations Jeff. I will remain on 160 CW as I have in years > past. I enjoy the visceral satisfaction that comes with pulling out the > weak signals and having direct, unencumbered interaction with the station > to > which I'm communicating. . .or trying. . .hi. CW is still great fun. > > 73. . . Dave, W0FLS > > -Original Message- > From: k1zm--- via Topband > Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2019 7:20 AM > To: topband@contesting.com > Subject: Topband: Summer Update & a Surprise > > Hi Gang > > > It is mid summer here and E season on 6M has been fun to play with while > 160m is pretty S L O W as it usually is. > On these pages there has been alot of chatter regarding FT8 - (which > basically took over 6M DX'ing starting in July 2917 - all DX is now on > 50.313 FT8 - which is why I had to adopt this mode in order to continue > DX'ing on 6m). It was either do that or give up operating on 6M during E > season. > I do hope that CW continues to thrive on Topband - but this past season > there was TONS of DX on FT8 and in my opinion LESS DX on CW than in prior > years. It is quite possible to work in JA on 160m from here on FT8 with > 100w out - which would have been quite rare indeed on CW as I recall (I do > not think I ever worked JA with 100w from here - but who knows?) > Today as I write this - I am listening to 28.074Mhz on a totally DEAD 10m > band. If I tune the entire CW portion and the whole SSB portion, there is > NOTHING - repeat NOTHING there - no signals whatsoever to be found. > Yet on 28.074Mhz - I just worked a whole page of Europeans on FT8 - to my > almost total INCREDULITY!! > I am not sure how I feel about all of this - but one thing is SURE - the > DX > world has changed - and there is no looking back. > I love CW on Topband and used to love CW on 6m - but that no longer > xists -so I do hope the 6m migration to FT8 does not repeat itself on > Topband! > To all a good summer and CU on CW again starting in September. > 73 JEFF VY2ZM > > > . > > _ > Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband > Reflector > > _ > Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband > Reflector > -- 73, Jorge CX6VM/CW5W _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
Re: Topband: Summer Update & a Surprise
Interesting observations Jeff. I will remain on 160 CW as I have in years past. I enjoy the visceral satisfaction that comes with pulling out the weak signals and having direct, unencumbered interaction with the station to which I'm communicating. . .or trying. . .hi. CW is still great fun. 73. . . Dave, W0FLS -Original Message- From: k1zm--- via Topband Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2019 7:20 AM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Topband: Summer Update & a Surprise Hi Gang It is mid summer here and E season on 6M has been fun to play with while 160m is pretty S L O W as it usually is. On these pages there has been alot of chatter regarding FT8 - (which basically took over 6M DX'ing starting in July 2917 - all DX is now on 50.313 FT8 - which is why I had to adopt this mode in order to continue DX'ing on 6m). It was either do that or give up operating on 6M during E season. I do hope that CW continues to thrive on Topband - but this past season there was TONS of DX on FT8 and in my opinion LESS DX on CW than in prior years. It is quite possible to work in JA on 160m from here on FT8 with 100w out - which would have been quite rare indeed on CW as I recall (I do not think I ever worked JA with 100w from here - but who knows?) Today as I write this - I am listening to 28.074Mhz on a totally DEAD 10m band. If I tune the entire CW portion and the whole SSB portion, there is NOTHING - repeat NOTHING there - no signals whatsoever to be found. Yet on 28.074Mhz - I just worked a whole page of Europeans on FT8 - to my almost total INCREDULITY!! I am not sure how I feel about all of this - but one thing is SURE - the DX world has changed - and there is no looking back. I love CW on Topband and used to love CW on 6m - but that no longer xists -so I do hope the 6m migration to FT8 does not repeat itself on Topband! To all a good summer and CU on CW again starting in September. 73 JEFF VY2ZM . _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
Topband: Summer Update & a Surprise
Hi Gang It is mid summer here and E season on 6M has been fun to play with while 160m is pretty S L O W as it usually is. On these pages there has been alot of chatter regarding FT8 - (which basically took over 6M DX'ing starting in July 2917 - all DX is now on 50.313 FT8 - which is why I had to adopt this mode in order to continue DX'ing on 6m). It was either do that or give up operating on 6M during E season. I do hope that CW continues to thrive on Topband - but this past season there was TONS of DX on FT8 and in my opinion LESS DX on CW than in prior years. It is quite possible to work in JA on 160m from here on FT8 with 100w out - which would have been quite rare indeed on CW as I recall (I do not think I ever worked JA with 100w from here - but who knows?) Today as I write this - I am listening to 28.074Mhz on a totally DEAD 10m band. If I tune the entire CW portion and the whole SSB portion, there is NOTHING - repeat NOTHING there - no signals whatsoever to be found. Yet on 28.074Mhz - I just worked a whole page of Europeans on FT8 - to my almost total INCREDULITY!! I am not sure how I feel about all of this - but one thing is SURE - the DX world has changed - and there is no looking back. I love CW on Topband and used to love CW on 6m - but that no longer exists -so I do hope the 6m migration to FT8 does not repeat itself on Topband! To all a good summer and CU on CW again starting in September. 73 JEFF VY2ZM . _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
