Topband: Working Dupes on a Band

[k8gg]

Fellow Topbanders:

Sometimes I hear a DX station calling CQ and no one else calling.  I think
it is good practice to let them know they are getting out, no matter how
many times I have logged them before.

I believe this is common courtesy to let the DX station know he/she is
being heard.

73,  George,  K8GG

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Re: Topband: Working dupes on a band

[Hans Hjelmström]

Hi Roger 
Agree 100%. Also for me ,,,FT8 and JT65 is NOT a Ham radio QSO.As I see it.

Its computer talking to a computer without human help.
NEVER from me either. BUT these people that enjoy FT8 aso and remote stations
from each side of big countries like USA and Russia, they can of course do so.
They enjoy it and thats that.
73 and lets go for a QSO when you hear at least the one you work.
Hans SM6CVX


> 2 feb 2018 kl. 00:43 skrev Roger Kennedy :
> 
> 
> Sorry Jay . . . but not in a million years !
> 
> That's exactly what I wanted to get away from . . .
> 
> My suggestion of having a 160m DX Activity night every Wednesday was to get
> people on the band to have PROPER QSOs !
> 
> Thank you for all the nice emails I've received about this . . .
> 
> Let's hope it goes from strength to strength.
> 
> 73 Roger G3YRO
> 
> -
> You guys shud try FT8 on 160..DX stations hear and decode everybody at the 
> same time - no QRM !! They then just work their way down the list...nobody 
> interferes with anybody else -everybody gets a chance...jay ny2ny  
> 
> 
> Regards
> 
> Roger Kennedy
> Wessex Radio Productions
> 
> Tel: 0191 250 2715
> Website: http://wessexproductions.co.uk
> 
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Re: Topband: Working dupes on a band

[Wes Stewart]

Actually, there is QRM.  In fact I gave up FT8 after about a hundred Qs  after 
trying to work a nameless west African who started getting clobbered mid QSO.


I just kept repeating reports hoping that the QRM would compete and move, when 
up popped JTAlert with a message to the effect that my QSO partner had sent a 
text message saying that he had my reports and I should just send RRR to 
complete the "contact."  At that point I turned off the radio and uninstalled 
WSJT-X.


Wes  N7WS

On 2/1/2018 4:37 PM, jayb1...@optonline.net wrote:

You guys shud try FT8 on 160..DX stations hear and decode everybody at the
same time – no QRM !! They then just work their way down the list...nobody
interferes with anybody else –everybody gets a chance...jay ny2ny 
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Re: Topband: Working dupes on a band

[Ed Sawyer]

The FT8 QSOs may be "proper" for a computer.  Just not for a human.

 

73

 

Ed  N1UR

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[JAYB1943]

Wow Roger – I didn’t know digital QSO’s were IMPROPERwelcome to the 21st 
century...jay ---ny2ny 
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Re: Topband: Working dupes on a band

[WT2P - CJ Johnson]

I am in the process of building my first ever BOG (NE/SW) and hope to be 
more active on 160. Wednesdays right after the 0300Z CWT's are perfect, 
since I end CWT's on 160 anyhow. This is the first season I've attacked 
my "160 problem" and started getting new countries on CW. And even 
developed a ragchew friend on 1810.


73,

WT2P


On 2/1/2018 5:43 PM, Roger Kennedy wrote:

Sorry Jay . . . but not in a million years !

That's exactly what I wanted to get away from . . .

My suggestion of having a 160m DX Activity night every Wednesday was to get
people on the band to have PROPER QSOs !

Thank you for all the nice emails I've received about this . . .

Let's hope it goes from strength to strength.

73 Roger G3YRO

-
You guys shud try FT8 on 160..DX stations hear and decode everybody at the
same time - no QRM !! They then just work their way down the list...nobody
interferes with anybody else -everybody gets a chance...jay ny2ny 


Regards

Roger Kennedy
Wessex Radio Productions

Tel: 0191 250 2715
Website: http://wessexproductions.co.uk

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Topband: Working dupes on a band

[Roger Kennedy]

Sorry Jay . . . but not in a million years !

That's exactly what I wanted to get away from . . .

My suggestion of having a 160m DX Activity night every Wednesday was to get
people on the band to have PROPER QSOs !

Thank you for all the nice emails I've received about this . . .

Let's hope it goes from strength to strength.

73 Roger G3YRO

-
You guys shud try FT8 on 160..DX stations hear and decode everybody at the 
same time - no QRM !! They then just work their way down the list...nobody 
interferes with anybody else -everybody gets a chance...jay ny2ny  


Regards

Roger Kennedy
Wessex Radio Productions

Tel: 0191 250 2715
Website: http://wessexproductions.co.uk

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[JAYB1943]

You guys shud try FT8 on 160..DX stations hear and decode everybody at the 
same time – no QRM !! They then just work their way down the list...nobody 
interferes with anybody else –everybody gets a chance...jay ny2ny  
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Re: Topband: Working dupes on a band

[Larry via Topband]

If you are a DX station please call me no matter how many times we have worked 
before. Its nice to know the band is open and that I am not calling CQ into a 
dark void.

Yes the RBN helps but there is no replacement for a real contact.

Larry
N7DD

Sent by Larry

On Feb 1, 2018, at 3:15 PM, terry burge  wrote:

Hi guys,


I see nothing wrong with working someone you have had more than one contact 
with before. At least as long as there are not people trying to work an ATNO. 
But that is where my rub comes from. Can't tell you how many  times I hear the 
'locals' working the DX night after night and making it near impossible to get 
a break and try to work those week European signals. I've been hearing this 
strange effect on 80 mtr phone where the static seems to ride on their signals 
making it that much harder to copy them. I don't hear that on NA or SA signals. 
Then when you can 'maybe' copy a signal report there is the W station 'just 
wanting to say hello again tonight and your are stronger than last night'! DX 
work is hard enough without having to compete with old home week. Sometimes for 
parts of the county like Oregon where I'm at you maybe get only a few minutes 
of time where you might hear a DX station. And hearing another 'you're 59+10 
over' again from the east coast to some DX just sucks!


So it may seem like being mainly concerned with 160 meter CW it is different 
but I do wish you would consider what it was like the first time you tried to 
work that weak DX signal and getting blocked out by someone just wanting to say 
DX they are stronger tonight that they were last night. You've been there and 
should remember. If there are some trying to get that ATNO, give them a break. 


I say again, there is nothing wrong with making friends and renewing your ties. 
Just don't stop some other weaker station from getting there chance. Same as 
you wouldn't jump in on top of their QSO to say 'how's it going' while their 
trying to pass signal report. 


Terry

KI7M

> On February 1, 2018 at 1:52 PM JL PFIRMAN wrote:
> 
> 
>My first post here,but read all the posts every day in fact look forward 
> to it! My feelings exactly Pete and might I add ,there are still gentlemen on 
> topband.This am at 1215z I was able to copy and have a good contact with 
> HL5IVL for an ATNO on 160.
>There were 3 or 4 others calling and Kim came back with W3T? after a few 
> more times he copied my call correctly. I just wanted to thank those who 
> stood by until I compleated my QSO,thanks again fellow 160 ops. PS it was a 
> peak at my sunrise. Jim W3TO
> 
>>> On February 1, 2018 at 1:16 PM Pete Rimmel N8PR wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>In my opinion, there is nothing wrong with working the same station 
>> on the
>>same band more than once. We used to do it all the time to assure we 
>> had
>>"insurance" contacts with someone we needed for DXCC or other award. 
>> Online
>>logs and ClubLog has limited that need to some extent, but not 
>> everyone has
>>a near-real time log we can check.
>> 
>>Now, with the advent of the CQ Magazine's Annual DX Marathon, There 
>> is no
>>choice but to work the same stations EVERY year to achieve the CQ 
>> zone and
>>Country totals for the year long Marathon.
>> 
>>I always hesitate to work the tough ones in a big pile-up if I have 
>> them
>>confirmed for DXCC, because I do not want to take the opportunity 
>> away from
>>someone who needs them for a new band country.
>> 
>>HOWEVER, I do try to work them eventually, usually when the 
>> propagation
>>favors my QTH, so I can add them to my totals for the year.
>> 
>>If stations cannot understand that, they should get with the 
>> program... They
>>could be in demand by everyone every year ! That should be something 
>> to
>>look forward to - being in demand !
>> 
>>I know this is different than thinking in the past, but that is the 
>> reality
>>of today ! I already have 60+ DXCC on 160 in January 2018 alone 8^)
>> 
>>73, PeteR N8PR
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>From: rayn6vr
>> 
>>In my mind, the station you are talking about is very inconsiderate 
>> and
>>lacking poor judgement.
>>It is a common thing to call and say hi to someone on TB when the 
>> condx are
>>slow or poor propagation.?
>>If I were to get such an email, I would never work thay stn on any 
>> band, any
>>mode, contest or not!
>>73,Ray?N6VR?
>>PS would like to know who it is so that I don't have the same 
>> experience.
>> 
>>...
>> 
>>HI Roger,
>> 
>>Thanks for the message, and interesting about the station you mention 
>> and
>>his website saying "no dupes".? I was shocked when I was told not to 
>> work
>>the European station again.? I just checked his clublog and in 6.5 
>> years I
>>had 

Re: Topband: Working dupes on a band

[terry burge]

Hi guys,


I see nothing wrong with working someone you have had more than one contact 
with before. At least as long as there are not people trying to work an ATNO. 
But that is where my rub comes from. Can't tell you how many  times I hear the 
'locals' working the DX night after night and making it near impossible to get 
a break and try to work those week European signals. I've been hearing this 
strange effect on 80 mtr phone where the static seems to ride on their signals 
making it that much harder to copy them. I don't hear that on NA or SA signals. 
Then when you can 'maybe' copy a signal report there is the W station 'just 
wanting to say hello again tonight and your are stronger than last night'! DX 
work is hard enough without having to compete with old home week. Sometimes for 
parts of the county like Oregon where I'm at you maybe get only a few minutes 
of time where you might hear a DX station. And hearing another 'you're 59+10 
over' again from the east coast to some DX just sucks!


So it may seem like being mainly concerned with 160 meter CW it is different 
but I do wish you would consider what it was like the first time you tried to 
work that weak DX signal and getting blocked out by someone just wanting to say 
DX they are stronger tonight that they were last night. You've been there and 
should remember. If there are some trying to get that ATNO, give them a break. 


I say again, there is nothing wrong with making friends and renewing your ties. 
Just don't stop some other weaker station from getting there chance. Same as 
you wouldn't jump in on top of their QSO to say 'how's it going' while their 
trying to pass signal report. 


Terry

KI7M

> On February 1, 2018 at 1:52 PM JL PFIRMAN wrote:
> 
> 
> My first post here,but read all the posts every day in fact look forward 
> to it! My feelings exactly Pete and might I add ,there are still gentlemen on 
> topband.This am at 1215z I was able to copy and have a good contact with 
> HL5IVL for an ATNO on 160.
> There were 3 or 4 others calling and Kim came back with W3T? after a few 
> more times he copied my call correctly. I just wanted to thank those who 
> stood by until I compleated my QSO,thanks again fellow 160 ops. PS it was a 
> peak at my sunrise. Jim W3TO
> 
> > > On February 1, 2018 at 1:16 PM Pete Rimmel N8PR wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > In my opinion, there is nothing wrong with working the same station 
> > on the
> > same band more than once. We used to do it all the time to assure 
> > we had
> > "insurance" contacts with someone we needed for DXCC or other 
> > award. Online
> > logs and ClubLog has limited that need to some extent, but not 
> > everyone has
> > a near-real time log we can check.
> > 
> > Now, with the advent of the CQ Magazine's Annual DX Marathon, There 
> > is no
> > choice but to work the same stations EVERY year to achieve the CQ 
> > zone and
> > Country totals for the year long Marathon.
> > 
> > I always hesitate to work the tough ones in a big pile-up if I have 
> > them
> > confirmed for DXCC, because I do not want to take the opportunity 
> > away from
> > someone who needs them for a new band country.
> > 
> > HOWEVER, I do try to work them eventually, usually when the 
> > propagation
> > favors my QTH, so I can add them to my totals for the year.
> > 
> > If stations cannot understand that, they should get with the 
> > program... They
> > could be in demand by everyone every year ! That should be 
> > something to
> > look forward to - being in demand !
> > 
> > I know this is different than thinking in the past, but that is the 
> > reality
> > of today ! I already have 60+ DXCC on 160 in January 2018 alone 8^)
> > 
> > 73, PeteR N8PR
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > From: rayn6vr
> > 
> > In my mind, the station you are talking about is very inconsiderate 
> > and
> > lacking poor judgement.
> > It is a common thing to call and say hi to someone on TB when the 
> > condx are
> > slow or poor propagation.?
> > If I were to get such an email, I would never work thay stn on any 
> > band, any
> > mode, contest or not!
> > 73,Ray?N6VR?
> > PS would like to know who it is so that I don't have the same 
> > experience.
> > 
> > ...
> > 
> > HI Roger,
> > 
> > Thanks for the message, and interesting about the station you 
> > mention and
> > his website saying "no dupes".? I was shocked when I was told not 
> > to work
> > the European station again.? I just checked his clublog and in 6.5 
> > years I
> > had worked him a total of 3 times which to me does not sound too 
> > excessive
> > for the topband.
> > 
> > It's like these guys think they are on some rare dx-pedition or 
> > something.
> > I just 

Re: Topband: Working dupes on a band

[JL PFIRMAN]

My first post here,but read all the posts every day in fact look forward to it! 
My feelings exactly Pete and might I add ,there are still gentlemen on 
topband.This am at 1215z I was able to copy and have a good contact with HL5IVL 
for an ATNO on 160.
There were 3 or 4 others calling and Kim came back with W3T? after a few more 
times he copied my call correctly. I just wanted to thank those who stood by 
until I compleated my QSO,thanks again fellow 160 ops. PS it was a peak at my 
sunrise. Jim W3TO

> On February 1, 2018 at 1:16 PM Pete Rimmel N8PR  wrote:
>
>
> In my opinion, there is nothing wrong with working the same station on the
> same band more than once. We used to do it all the time to assure we had
> "insurance" contacts with someone we needed for DXCC or other award. Online
> logs and ClubLog has limited that need to some extent, but not everyone has
> a near-real time log we can check.
>
> Now, with the advent of the CQ Magazine's Annual DX Marathon, There is no
> choice but to work the same stations EVERY year to achieve the CQ zone and
> Country totals for the year long Marathon.
>
> I always hesitate to work the tough ones in a big pile-up if I have them
> confirmed for DXCC, because I do not want to take the opportunity away from
> someone who needs them for a new band country.
>
> HOWEVER, I do try to work them eventually, usually when the propagation
> favors my QTH, so I can add them to my totals for the year.
>
> If stations cannot understand that, they should get with the program... They
> could be in demand by everyone every year ! That should be something to
> look forward to - being in demand !
>
> I know this is different than thinking in the past, but that is the reality
> of today ! I already have 60+ DXCC on 160 in January 2018 alone 8^)
>
> 73, PeteR N8PR
>
>
>
> From: rayn6vr 
>
> In my mind, the station you are talking about is very inconsiderate and
> lacking poor judgement.
> It is a common thing to call and say hi to someone on TB when the condx are
> slow or poor propagation.?
> If I were to get such an email, I would never work thay stn on any band, any
> mode, contest or not!
> 73,Ray?N6VR?
> PS would like to know who it is so that I don't have the same experience.
>
> ...
>
> HI Roger,
>
> Thanks for the message, and interesting about the station you mention and
> his website saying "no dupes".? I was shocked when I was told not to work
> the European station again.? I just checked his clublog and in 6.5 years I
> had worked him a total of 3 times which to me does not sound too excessive
> for the topband.
>
> It's like these guys think they are on some rare dx-pedition or something.
> I just don't get it.
>
> I have received a few very nice e-mails from European stations since my
> posting this morning telling me to call them anytime I hear them (which is
> very nice).
>
> 73,
> Don
>
> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 8:12 AM, Mark K3MSB  wrote:
>
> > Don
> >
> > I read your post with some interest and dismay as something similar
> > happened to me last November
> >
> > 160M Wasn?t producing anything at my SR so I dropped down to 80 CW.??? I
> > worked a few stations, one of which showed up as being worked a few years
> > earlier on 80 CW. At that time I was logged into the low band chat
> > room
> > and that same DX station was on and made a non-positive comment that he
> > had
> > ?two repeats? this morning.??? I checked his website and he clearly says
> > ?No Dupes?.
> >
> > A lot of times I do not have my PC up and running in the morning before
> > work;? if I make a contact I just enter it as memo on my phone and enter
> > it
> > into the actual log when I get back from work.?? Working these ?No Dupe?
> > guys really doesn?t worry me per se,? but if I?m trying to work them and
> > they decide not to respond as I?m a ?dupe?,? then it wastes my time to do
> > so.
> >
> >? Last night there were some nice EU sigs on TB and I worked several of
> > them (all ?repeats? but they didn?t seem to care).
> >
> > 73 Mark K3MSB
> >
> >
> >
>
> > I personally will come on tonight about Z . . . usually for about an
> > hour . . . and then again about 0300Z, to see if there's stations further
> > west. (there seems no point in coming on at our Sunrise, around 0730, as
> > there is actually NO peak in signal these days)
> >
> > Roger G3YRO
> >
> > _
> >
> > From: Mark K3MSB [mailto:mark.k3...@gmail.com]
> > Subject: Re: Topband: 160m DX Activity Night
> >
> >
> > So what's the accepted practice of working stations again and again on
> > 160M?
> >
> >
> > If I've worked you once or twice in the past I won't answer your CQ,
> > unless
> > you're CQing with no responses, but then probably not. I've found in the
> > past that ops don't want repeat customers, they want fresh fish.
> >
> >
> > I've been doing other thingsin the shack and have heard EU stations CQing
> > and CQing on TB but I don't answer as they're 

Re: Topband: Working dupes on a band

[Michael Armstrong via Topband]

AB7ZU  Mike Armstrong has passed

Can we remove him from this group please

Thank you, the XYL

US Navy - What a wild, and fabulous, ride!
Can I go again?  ;)

> On Feb 1, 2018, at 12:31, Roger Kennedy  wrote:
> 
> 
> It would be a very boring hobby if you only ever worked a given station ONCE
> . . .
> 
> To me, the hobby is all about having regular contacts - it's how you make
> friends !
> 
> And that's the same whether it's locals or DX stations.
> 
> Also one of the reasons 160m has always been my main activity (for the past
> 48 years) is that I've always found it the friendliest of all the bands, and
> certainly the best-behaved. 
> 
> I guess there are SOME people who are only interested in collecting new
> prefixes, and having a quick QSO to achieve that. 
> 
> Well that's never interested me . . . I just find that really boring !
> 
> Having lots of contacts with people a long way away on 160m is what gives me
> a buzz !  (it's too easy on all the higher bands)
> 
> Roger G3YRO
> 
> 
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Topband: Working dupes on a band

[Roger Kennedy]

It would be a very boring hobby if you only ever worked a given station ONCE
. . .

To me, the hobby is all about having regular contacts - it's how you make
friends !

And that's the same whether it's locals or DX stations.

Also one of the reasons 160m has always been my main activity (for the past
48 years) is that I've always found it the friendliest of all the bands, and
certainly the best-behaved. 

I guess there are SOME people who are only interested in collecting new
prefixes, and having a quick QSO to achieve that. 

Well that's never interested me . . . I just find that really boring !

Having lots of contacts with people a long way away on 160m is what gives me
a buzz !  (it's too easy on all the higher bands)

Roger G3YRO



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Re: Topband: Working dupes on a band

[uy0zg]

Hi

The main pleasure not DXCC.

We love good and various propagation!



> In my opinion, there is nothing wrong with working the same station on the
> same band more than once.  We used to do it all the time to assure we had
> "insurance" contacts with someone we needed for DXCC or other award.
> Online
> logs and ClubLog has limited that need to some extent, but not everyone
> has
> a near-real time log we can check.
>
> Now, with the advent of the CQ Magazine's Annual DX Marathon, There is no
> choice but to work the same stations EVERY year to achieve the CQ zone and
> Country totals for the year long Marathon.
>
> I always hesitate to work the tough ones in a big pile-up if I have them
> confirmed for DXCC, because I do not want to take the opportunity away
> from
> someone who needs them for a new band country.
>
> HOWEVER,  I do try to work them eventually, usually when the propagation
> favors my QTH, so I can add them to my totals for the year.
>
> If stations cannot understand that, they should get with the program...
> They
> could be in demand by everyone every year !  That should be something to
> look forward to - being in demand !
>
> I know this is different than thinking in the past, but that is the
> reality
> of today !   I already have 60+ DXCC on 160 in January 2018 alone  8^)
>
> 73,  PeteR  N8PR
>
>
>
> From: rayn6vr 
>
> In my mind, the station you are talking about is very inconsiderate and
> lacking poor judgement.
> It is a common thing to call and say hi to someone on TB when the condx
> are
> slow or poor propagation.?
> If I were to get such an email, I would never work thay stn on any band,
> any
> mode, contest or not!
> 73,Ray?N6VR?
> PS would like to know who it is so that I don't have the same experience.
>
> ...
>
> HI Roger,
>
> Thanks for the message, and interesting about the station you mention and
> his website saying "no dupes".? I was shocked when I was told not to work
> the European station again.? I just checked his clublog and in 6.5 years I
> had worked him a total of 3 times which to me does not sound too excessive
> for the topband.
>
> It's like these guys think they are on some rare dx-pedition or something.
> I just don't get it.
>
> I have received a few very nice e-mails from European stations since my
> posting this morning telling me to call them anytime I hear them (which is
> very nice).
>
> 73,
> Don
>
> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 8:12 AM, Mark K3MSB  wrote:
>
>> Don
>>
>> I read your post with some interest and dismay as something similar
>> happened to me last November
>>
>> 160M Wasn?t producing anything at my SR so I dropped down to 80 CW.??? I
>> worked a few stations, one of which showed up as being worked a few
>> years
>> earlier on 80 CW. At that time I was logged into the low band chat
>> room
>> and that same DX station was on and made a non-positive comment that he
>> had
>> ?two repeats? this morning.??? I checked his website and he clearly says
>> ?No Dupes?.
>>
>> A lot of times I do not have my PC up and running in the morning before
>> work;? if I make a contact I just enter it as memo on my phone and enter
>> it
>> into the actual log when I get back from work.?? Working these ?No Dupe?
>> guys really doesn?t worry me per se,? but if I?m trying to work them and
>> they decide not to respond as I?m a ?dupe?,? then it wastes my time to
>> do
>> so.
>>
>>? Last night there were some nice EU sigs on TB and I worked several of
>> them (all ?repeats? but they didn?t seem to care).
>>
>> 73 Mark K3MSB
>>
>>
>>
>
>> I personally will come on tonight about Z . . . usually for about an
>> hour . . . and then again about 0300Z, to see if there's stations
>> further
>> west. (there seems no point in coming on at our Sunrise, around 0730, as
>> there is actually NO peak in signal these days)
>>
>> Roger G3YRO
>>
>> _
>>
>> From: Mark K3MSB [mailto:mark.k3...@gmail.com]
>> Subject: Re: Topband: 160m DX Activity Night
>>
>>
>> So what's the accepted practice of working stations again and again on
>> 160M?
>>
>>
>> If I've worked you once or twice in the past I won't answer your CQ,
>> unless
>> you're CQing with no responses, but then probably not. I've found in the
>> past that ops don't want repeat customers, they want fresh fish.
>>
>>
>> I've been doing other thingsin the shack and have heard EU stations
>> CQing
>> and CQing on TB but I don't answer as they're in my log quite a few
>> times.
>> Should I answer?
>>
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>> 73 Mark K3MSB
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Topband: Working dupes on a band

[Pete Rimmel N8PR]

In my opinion, there is nothing wrong with working the same station on the 
same band more than once.  We used to do it all the time to assure we had 
"insurance" contacts with someone we needed for DXCC or other award.  Online 
logs and ClubLog has limited that need to some extent, but not everyone has 
a near-real time log we can check.


Now, with the advent of the CQ Magazine's Annual DX Marathon, There is no 
choice but to work the same stations EVERY year to achieve the CQ zone and 
Country totals for the year long Marathon.


I always hesitate to work the tough ones in a big pile-up if I have them 
confirmed for DXCC, because I do not want to take the opportunity away from 
someone who needs them for a new band country.


HOWEVER,  I do try to work them eventually, usually when the propagation 
favors my QTH, so I can add them to my totals for the year.


If stations cannot understand that, they should get with the program... They 
could be in demand by everyone every year !  That should be something to 
look forward to - being in demand !


I know this is different than thinking in the past, but that is the reality 
of today !   I already have 60+ DXCC on 160 in January 2018 alone  8^)


73,  PeteR  N8PR



From: rayn6vr 

In my mind, the station you are talking about is very inconsiderate and 
lacking poor judgement.
It is a common thing to call and say hi to someone on TB when the condx are 
slow or poor propagation.?
If I were to get such an email, I would never work thay stn on any band, any 
mode, contest or not!

73,Ray?N6VR?
PS would like to know who it is so that I don't have the same experience.

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HI Roger,

Thanks for the message, and interesting about the station you mention and
his website saying "no dupes".? I was shocked when I was told not to work
the European station again.? I just checked his clublog and in 6.5 years I
had worked him a total of 3 times which to me does not sound too excessive
for the topband.

It's like these guys think they are on some rare dx-pedition or something.
I just don't get it.

I have received a few very nice e-mails from European stations since my
posting this morning telling me to call them anytime I hear them (which is
very nice).

73,
Don

On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 8:12 AM, Mark K3MSB  wrote:


Don

I read your post with some interest and dismay as something similar
happened to me last November

160M Wasn?t producing anything at my SR so I dropped down to 80 CW.??? I
worked a few stations, one of which showed up as being worked a few years
earlier on 80 CW. At that time I was logged into the low band chat 
room
and that same DX station was on and made a non-positive comment that he 
had

?two repeats? this morning.??? I checked his website and he clearly says
?No Dupes?.

A lot of times I do not have my PC up and running in the morning before
work;? if I make a contact I just enter it as memo on my phone and enter 
it

into the actual log when I get back from work.?? Working these ?No Dupe?
guys really doesn?t worry me per se,? but if I?m trying to work them and
they decide not to respond as I?m a ?dupe?,? then it wastes my time to do
so.

? Last night there were some nice EU sigs on TB and I worked several of
them (all ?repeats? but they didn?t seem to care).

73 Mark K3MSB






I personally will come on tonight about Z . . . usually for about an
hour . . . and then again about 0300Z, to see if there's stations further
west. (there seems no point in coming on at our Sunrise, around 0730, as
there is actually NO peak in signal these days)

Roger G3YRO

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From: Mark K3MSB [mailto:mark.k3...@gmail.com]
Subject: Re: Topband: 160m DX Activity Night


So what's the accepted practice of working stations again and again on
160M?


If I've worked you once or twice in the past I won't answer your CQ,
unless
you're CQing with no responses, but then probably not. I've found in the
past that ops don't want repeat customers, they want fresh fish.


I've been doing other thingsin the shack and have heard EU stations CQing
and CQing on TB but I don't answer as they're in my log quite a few times.
Should I answer?


73 Mark K3MSB


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