Re: Topband: UNOCCUPIED BANDWIDTH

2011-02-02 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
250 Hertz with a K3 is quite narrow. I open up to my 450 Hz 8 pole (marketed as 400), and unless I'm desperate, leave a hole alone if I can't put runs above and below fairly well down the skirts. That said, encroachment that only the 350 Hz 8 pole (marketed as 250) will handle is getting to be

Topband: Diversity in CQ 160 contest

2011-02-05 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
I have pulled this thread from the Elecraft reflector as it has broad application and seems to particularly specific to the topband audience. The just past CQ 160 was my first 160 contest using diversity (K3) and an RX antenna. Using an extension of some successful experiences with BOG arrays I

Re: Topband: Musings of a DX-Window Intruder

2011-02-07 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
I have to vote with Herb. Further there will always be disadvantages to those without monster stations. There will always be advantages or disadvantages to various locations on the planet. One CANNOT create a level playing field for all entrants. That is why there are classes of operation, and

Re: Topband: Inverted L Proximity to RX Antennas

2011-02-17 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
If you model the RX antennas with the TX antennas in the model, and then without, you can see the change in RX pattern, usually with the loss of deep nulls. Some situations you can get extreme interactions and reversal of pattern or loss of any directionality. Better to model with your

Re: Topband: Chat Room Confirmation

2011-02-17 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
I draw the line at claiming a contact when either did not actually get it over the air. I draw the line at using non-over-the-air to fix a log, whether contest or DXCC credit. It is clear that there is still magic in talking to VP8ORK running 100 watts on 160 meters. I looked at their on-line

Re: Topband: Need EZNEC file for 1/4 wave 160 vertical with radial system

2011-03-10 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
This question is the same for actual antennas as it is for modeled antennas. The performance of a real world and modeled 160m vertical antenna is almost entirely determined by the nature of the radials and the dirt involved. We talk about it as if the vertical 120 feet is the essential element,

Re: Topband: 160 metre vertical with 'top loading'

2011-04-26 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
It would be of some considerable use to know exactly what you summarize in saying: On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 9:28 PM, k...@optimum.net wrote: I tried to use toroid as loading inductance, but it did not work well. I can guess what didn't work well, but I would rather hear your details. 73, Guy.

Re: Topband: RG6 coax questions

2011-05-13 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
Probably is, somewhere, at some price, and possibly with minimums. The RG6 style is sold in huge quantities, really a default feedline for many things. Digging required, unless you're lucky and someone has seen it. The digging required is part of the PITA. And with that many shields, whose

Re: Topband: water saturated ground effect MA160V

2011-07-22 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
Hmm, Don't get low angle, high angle confused with sky wave. Both low and high angle are sky wave, as opposed to ground wave which is a different mode of propagation that is always local. You do not work DX with ground wave. Ground wave goes as far as you can hear 540-1700 kHz AM BC stations in

Re: Topband: Steeply Sloping Ground

2011-07-28 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
If you are in a quiet location, you may find it difficult to hear better than your TX antennas, simply because they are not disadvantaged by the normal issues over flat ground. Vertically polarized signals do not bounce well off dirt. Essentially not at all, even with the best dirt found around.

Re: Topband: Steeply Sloping Ground

2011-07-28 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
Glad to have been of service. The way you model an antenna on a slope, is to SLANT the ANTENNA the same as the angle of the slope, if it's actually pulled true vertical, and then print out the plot. On the plot draw a line through center at right angles to the antenna's vertical. Anything below

Re: Topband: Bi-Directional Beverage Question - DXE Polarity

2011-08-14 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 9:38 AM, ZR z...@jeremy.mv.com wrote: Can you phase 2 wire reversible Beverages such as the offset close spaced type? For the part of the question before the such as. Yes, you certainly can phase two reversibles, but you won't be able to do it unless you can insure

Re: Topband: soldering radials

2011-08-20 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
Well, not so quick. High end academic research on radials and related ground interactions effectively ceased in the 1940's when commercial broadcasting got their solution in FCC standards for commercial MF AM broadcasting antennas. It ceased when the money for research predictably dried up. The

Re: Topband: EZNEC circular loop

2011-08-25 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
In version 5 EZNEC, in the WIRES window, click on Create in the menu bar, then click on loop in the drawdown menu. 73, Guy. On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 1:46 PM, DF3KV df...@t-online.de wrote: Just create a loop with 200 sides 73 Peter, DJ7WW -Original Message- From:

Re: Topband: Fabricated common mode chokes - Sourcing

2011-08-31 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
As to charring -- that's an issue if the device in question is seeing a lot of dissipation.  Properly designed and applied, chokes should NOT see a lot of dissipation unless they are being used in series/parallel combinations to do impedance transformation. 73, Jim Brown K9YC OR, if the

Re: Topband: New entry to TopBand with antenna question

2011-09-06 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
Hi Mike, The following is assuming that you would not knowingly throw away dB on suboptimal 160 antenna construction, provided the issues were manageable in your situation. I have clear evidence, for years now, that a local 160 QRP operator, with the following issues properly dealt with,

Re: Topband: BCB interference on 160

2011-09-14 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
The problem would be that you need to trap out the BC signals BEFORE they reach the tuning diodes. In the good ole days with signals that were no more powerful than now, a small antenna, a coil, capacitor, and a diode would produce enough rectified audio to drive a pair of headsets WITHOUT any

Topband: Band is back in NC

2011-09-16 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
It's bccc Band is back in NC. Worked Don, G3JMJ through the QRN at 0450Z. 449 and buried under QRN peaks 9+20. Base noise only S5 at 150 Hz bandwidth. Listened later, signal getting louder. Hearing IN3RSV. Worked G3PQA at 0515. 459. Solid 569 later on sending CQ on 1834. RX

Topband: Effect of current max not at base of vertical.

2011-09-17 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
This is an answer to an off reflector conversation, relating to a too long electrical length over radials reducing performance. I am writing to the list since the subject and it's objection occur in so many posted conversations. Reduction of gain by too high current max has been touted by some

Re: Topband: Effect of current max not at base of vertical.

2011-09-18 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
(which would of course require far fewer radials) ? Thanks, Mike www.w0btu.com On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 11:03 AM, Guy Olinger K2AV olin...@bellsouth.netwrote: This is an answer to an off reflector conversation, relating to a too long electrical length over radials reducing performance

Re: Topband: Effect of current max not at base of vertical.

2011-09-20 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
I share the frustration over the very minimal amount of data out there. However... Erection of a 260 foot vertical in a testing environment fairly well requires the facilities of a large antenna range to do the comparisons below. Thus we are also talking about money, and we are talking about a

Re: Topband: Effect of current max not at base of vertical.

2011-09-23 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
See http://www.fybush.com/sites/2005/site-051028.html For 1530 kHz, that's a PAIR of two vertical halfwaves in phase. 50 kW gives 3545.89 mV/m. Note the relative lack of neighbors, and therefore lack of 24 hour miscellaneous diodic signal demodulation, talking window screens, permanently lit

Re: Topband: Effect of current max not at base of vertical.

2011-09-24 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
PM, Milt -- N5IA n...@zia-connection.comwrote: Guy, Do I read the article correctly that there is little grounding and no radial screen under these monsters. Is that correct? Milt, N5IA -Original Message- From: Guy Olinger K2AV Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 1:43 PM To: he

Re: Topband: Effect of current max not at base of vertical.

2011-09-24 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
EZNEC's fresh water selection shows a conductivity of .001 (very unconductive). So it's talking about Great Lakes fresh water away from urban polution. Question would be how conductive the swamp water is. I would personally guess that if the area is heavily vegetated and slow draining, the

Re: Topband: Fwd: Capacitor for Inverted L

2011-10-16 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
systems some are forced to live with, having high angle radiation may actually be a considerable advantage. On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 11:33 AM, Guy Olinger K2AV olin...@bellsouth.netwrote: Particularly for the very minimal radial systems some are forced to live with, not having high angle

Re: Topband: RG-6 Coax again

2011-10-18 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
Part of the discombobbled nature of this RG6 discourse might have to do with a lack of detail on failure modes, dissipation, etc. With a long run, say 200 feet, running 1.5 K, and let's say dissipating 400 watts, that would be dissipating two watts per foot, or 0.17 watts per inch. If you placed

Re: Topband: Ground loss query (re inverted L, antenna radiation resistance, Jerry Sevick)

2011-10-19 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
Too simple a formulation of issues. The loss is ground induction, by *whatever* means. You appear to be thinking that the radials are the only source of induced current loss in the ground. The vertical radiator has that kind of loss as well, if you are not talking about *dense* uniform

Re: Topband: Ground loss query (re inverted L, antenna radiation resistance, Jerry Sevick)

2011-10-19 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
This IS true for some hams, because their counterpoise situation is quite lossy. It would definitely not be true over a commercial dense radial system that was in good repair. It's very easy to measure by starting with a dense radial system and removing radials between subsequent measurements.

Re: Topband: Using a DX-Engineering 80m vertical as part of an inverted L on 160?

2011-11-02 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
Part of the mechanical problem of this is that two back guys to the top of the vertical, and then the wire pulling away horizontal, exert a downward compression force on the vertical, to the tune of 20 or more pounds if there is a wind blowing. Visualize a bowling ball or two on top of the

Re: Topband: Hindering factors in the science of back yard 160m vertical ins

2011-11-08 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
I'll have to counter that the two radial figures in your quoted RCA study are not about defining what goes wrong with minimalist and miscellaneous downward extrapolation of dense and uniform radial systems. It's about setting a context for the main purpose of the study which is the superior

Re: Topband: Radials help

2011-11-10 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 6:41 AM, Dennis OConnor ad4hk2...@yahoo.com wrote: There is no need in a ham antenna installation for all the radials to be the same length... This is only true to any degree if you are talking about buried, BARE radials. If also uniformly spaced, elevated or insulated

Re: Topband: Hindering factors in the science of back yard 160m vertical installations

2011-11-14 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
Much closer to the heart of it now... Interspersed. On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 8:03 AM, Richard Fry r...@adams.net wrote: Guy - some selected comments to your recent post on this topic... And here we are many years later trying to use their study, which SERIOUSLY duns 15 and 30 radials, to

Re: Topband: Another non-traditional antenna working.

2011-11-16 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
This antenna started out as a U, but in trimming it back to resonance (folded counterpoise plus isolation transformer plus antenna length), the down part of the Us up, over and down got nearly eliminated. There are four other stations using these who do not wish to be identified, who have used

Re: Topband: Another non-traditional antenna working.

2011-11-16 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
. That's a lot less than the ten dB accuracy range needed to positively identify really sucky radial systems as really sucky. 73, and may your 160 antenna make you happy, Guy. On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 12:22 PM, Richard (Rick) Karlquist rich...@karlquist.com wrote: On 11/15/2011 9:10 PM, Guy Olinger

Re: Topband: Another non-traditional antenna working.

2011-11-17 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
published it already. His break-even point would appear to be at the 4 loaded 1/8 wave radials, and I agree with him. 73, Guy On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 11:06 PM, Rick Karlquist rich...@karlquist.com wrote: Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: Counting FCP segments 1 through 5.  33 feet per segment.  Directions

Re: Topband: Another non-traditional antenna working.

2011-11-17 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
Hi, Carl, I repeat, a folded counterpoise is NO substitute for a dense and uniform system, which is what you had in the end. My question for you is if you had a 70 x 10 foot strip of that rocky stuff to construct a counterpoise, and that was all the space you had, period, and your neighbors

Re: Topband: Bog wire

2011-11-19 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
In places where you can't get an eight foot rod to go down, there are alternatives. A four foot rod, or driving the rod down at an oblique angle will add some resistance, but not enough to change much. Another method is to dig a hole as deep as you can go (two or three feet), bury a metal plate

Re: Topband: Daisey Chained ground rods

2011-11-19 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
I'd ask the question differently. If you have before data, and can remeasure after you hook them together to get some after data, and you are trying to advance science, go for it. But otherwise begin from if it ain't broke don't fix it. What is wrong, and what do you KNOW you stand to gain by

Re: Topband: Daisey Chained ground rods

2011-11-20 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 2:38 PM, Herb Schoenbohm he...@vitelcom.net wrote: So the answer is a better ground on the Beverage ends may not buy you muchbut could it hurt you?  I am looking for a db here or there which i probably will never  see. IMHO the Beverage grounds, or lack thereof

Re: Topband: Counterpoise very interresting

2011-11-24 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
Models are very good in relative comparisons, with some very important caveats. 1) Hold everything possible constant between the two models, EXCEPT the singular issue(s) you are trying to trend. Don't try to vary dirt. If you don't already have burn scars and embarrassing gaffes about dirt, you

Re: Topband: My take on ARRL 160

2011-12-05 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
It's pretty much demonstrated that there are a lot of people who are tone deaf, that is, they simply cannot tell apart two tones of different frequencies if they are somewhat near to one another. This is an audible approximation of color blind. Since this does not produce a problem in day-to-day

Re: Topband: Best small space antennas

2011-12-07 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
Note: the following is not a theoretical or untested antenna. There are working antennas in the field using the folded counterpoise described below, scoring well in contests**, in use up to a year and more. Contest scores of the sort attained are not made using antennas with significant

Re: Topband: Best small space antennas

2011-12-07 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
- Bill--W4BSG - Original Message - From: Guy Olinger K2AV olin...@bellsouth.net To: Jim Miller Waco Texas WB5OXQ wb5ox...@grandecom.net Cc: topband@contesting.com Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 7:57 PM Subject: Re: Topband: Best small space antennas Note: the following

Re: Topband: K2AV 160m Folded Counterpoise Antenna - New Details Posted

2011-12-08 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
Just a word on ferrite beads, and other kinds of baluns. Trust us, if it could be done wrong, we blew it, if it could burn, we burned it, if it could be cracked, we shattered it, if it couldn't stand up to 1.5 kw, we smoked it. We tried every possible short cut and cheep trick imaginable.

Re: Topband: K2AV 160m Folded Counterpoise Antenna - New DetailsPosted

2011-12-08 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
Message- From: topband-boun...@contesting.com [mailto: topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Steven Raas Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 10:59 PM To: Guy Olinger K2AV Cc: Mike Waters; topband Subject: Re: Topband: K2AV 160m Folded Counterpoise Antenna - New DetailsPosted Im

Re: Topband: Length of inverted-L antenna for use with K2AV counterpoise

2011-12-09 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
Steve, the length of the wire is your choice, with consequences in the tuning realm. The simple solution is to only use the wire on 160, and VARY THE LENGTH of the wire to achieve a minimum SWR or zero reactance at 1.825, or your choice of center of resonance. If the length is fixed (your

Re: Topband: Inv-L swr changing when adding radials

2011-12-09 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
The Inv L over a very dense, excellent radial field will have a feed Z of in the neighborhood of 20 or so ohms, NOT 50. It usually requires a unun to bring it up to 50. When you first put it up, your counterpoise system was, to put it bluntly, awful, and apparently a very lossy series resistance

Re: Topband: K2AV 160m Folded Counterpoise Antenna

2011-12-12 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
Stick with the T300A-2 and twenty bifilar turns if you want the inductive residual of the isolation transformer to mirror the capacitive residual of the folded counterpoise for the simple installation with roughly 130 feet plus or minus, after the pruning. Working on getting the Wireman to stock

Re: Topband: T-200 vs. T-300

2011-12-15 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
For those building an isolation transformer for a 160M 5/16 FCP -- PLEASE READ! IMPORTANT! Martin has the right instincts, says it feels fishy for this. But it's worse than he thinks. And don't even consider using ferrites. The T300A-2 core and 20 bifilar turns were SPECIFICALLY chosen to

Re: Topband: T-200 vs. T-300

2011-12-15 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
: There is no such thing as an Amidon T-300 or any other toroid. In this case they are just a reseller of Micrometals powered iron products. Carl KM1H - Original Message - From: Guy Olinger K2AV olin...@bellsouth.net To: Martin hamra...@vr-web.de Cc: topband@contesting.com Sent: Thursday

Re: Topband: T-200 vs. T-300

2011-12-15 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
. We have the hard-won results that prove out Sevick's and our choices. 73, Guy. On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 2:58 PM, Rick Karlquist rich...@karlquist.comwrote: Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: Martin has the right instincts, says it feels fishy for this. But it's worse than he thinks. And don't even

Re: Topband: FCP Isolation Transformer

2011-12-15 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
#97 is the wrong material. You need material #2. #2 has red paint. http://www.ebay.com/itm/MICROMETALS-T300-2-IRON-POWER-TOROID-3-CORE-PAIR-NEW-/130528349950?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item1e64188efe#ht_651wt_1104 On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 7:30 PM, MIKE DURKIN patriot...@msn.com wrote: Would

Re: Topband: Shunt fed tower

2011-12-15 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
Hi Larry, For a tribander on a mast, just use one inch diameter conductor for the mast, the boom and the first and last 20 meter elements. For a 40 linear loaded 2 element, similarly model the mast, the boom and the non-driven element as if you unfolded and stretched out the linear loading.

Re: Topband: T-200 vs. T-300

2011-12-15 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
) DC-1 MHz, high perm. u=75 73, Guy. On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 10:50 PM, ZR z...@jeremy.mv.com wrote: - Original Message - From: Guy Olinger K2AV olin...@bellsouth.net To: rich...@karlquist.com Cc: topband@contesting.com; Martin hamra...@vr-web.de Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 10

Re: Topband: T-200 vs. T-300

2011-12-17 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
especially when discussions get a bit confusing.. http://www.micrometals.com/software_index.html We should all strive to be on the same page Carl KM1H - Original Message - *From:* Guy Olinger K2AV olin...@bellsouth.net *To:* ZR z...@jeremy.mv.com *Cc:* rich...@karlquist.com ; topband

Re: Topband: Receive Antenna interaction with Transmit Antenna

2011-12-28 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
The short answer is you have two choices. De-resonate the TX antenna during RX or get at some distance from the TX antennas. Your modeling is telling you what the interactions are, and therefore telling when you have succeeded and when not. Coming up with the solution on a given piece of land

Re: Topband: K2AV 160m Folded Counterpoise (FCP), parts and winding for isolation transformer.

2012-01-01 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
Just remember that an FCP is a SINGLE BAND device. If you use a 160 FCP on 80 meters, the field cancellation will not occur and it will be lossy. Second, the gorilla in the room for QRP is eliminating loss. Wind the 160m isolation transformer (ISOT) as specified or get the Balun Designs

Re: Topband: horiz TLDL for 80m

2012-01-08 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
Hi Bob, I had a look at your QTH via Google Earth. Would appear that the only support you have is your tower. And on something like a 65 x115 corner city lot.How tall is your tower? 73, Guy K2AV On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 10:08 PM, Bob K6UJ k...@pacbell.net wrote: The reason I am trying a

Re: Topband: K9AY Switching box

2012-01-19 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
Gut suspicion is that you have a relay with fused contacts or blown coil or some such, and your ACTUAL connections inside are not not what you would be expecting from the schematic. Or maybe a burned up trace or something. On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 5:33 AM, Josep ea...@ea6bf.com wrote: Hi all,

Re: Topband: Unintentional QRM on TB

2012-01-25 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
Worked them during a 12 period right on 1812. He was only listening exactly on 12 and at the time was clearly having a hard time hearing. 73, Guy. On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 1:49 PM, N1BUG p...@n1bug.com wrote: I listened to HK0NA this morning around 1.8328 and he was sending 12 after his

Re: Topband: T Vertical feed

2012-01-27 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
Sometimes the only symptom of common mode connection to your antenna is excessive ambient noise, usually from the AC wiring system in the house. A on/in ground radial field is not a monolithic single very low Z entity for purposes of figuring out what is happening in the current division exercise

Re: Topband: Transformer isolation vs common mode choke was: Re: T Vertical feed

2012-01-27 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
The actual ratio, or incidental winding to winding capacitance, particularly on 160m, is pretty immaterial. What is accomplished by the isolation transformer is simple removal of all possible current paths along a conductor. The various bead choke, wound balun like devices, etc, all have a

Re: Topband: T Vertical feed

2012-01-27 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
Yup. Metal to metal contact with the radials, folks don't have a good mental summarizing device for radials, thinking that ground is some kind of sucking everything up magic medium. Text below... 73, Guy. On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 6:10 PM, Charles Moizeau w...@msn.com wrote: Guy, Your text

Re: Topband: Solar Activity Topband

2012-01-28 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
Well, maybe they have been good at your QTH. Here, the conditions to Europe have been the worst in recent memory. Just fleeting peeps of Europe barely working through. Only honestly R5 signals were from Portugal. One G was R4, and the rest, what few of them there were, were R3. 73, Guy (Apex,

Re: Topband: Solar Activity Topband

2012-01-28 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
I'd say the conditions seemed good from East of Mississippi to East of Mississippi. They were especially good from NC to MN and IA, go figure :). But conditions from NC to the west coast were AWFUL. From PAC the usual 569, 579 KH6CC was R2 at best, and was only up to that elevated level for a

Re: Topband: Transformer isolation vs common mode choke was: Re: T Vertical feed

2012-01-28 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
I may have missed it somewhere, but where physically is the choke on the entire run of the coax from the antenna/isolation transformer back to the transmitter? Some commentary appears to assume you have it placed right next to the isolation transformer. Is that true? 73, Guy On Fri, Jan 27,

Re: Topband: T vert feed

2012-01-30 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
Oh, yeah. It will. If you are unlucky and it is presenting a current node at the antenna connection. All the MORE likely if you have a really good ground at the house entry point. Get used to it. Each little wire running off from the center is a **DRIVEN** element in the system, and if the coax

Topband: In search of the True Monopole, Part One.

2012-01-31 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
Well, Cackle Fersus got up that morning and forever afterwards swore something was bent about the day. Nothing has seemed straight or screwed on all the way ever since, and probably won't ever be, unless he can find the True Monopole. The morning started out with what was left of a dream that

Re: Topband: In search of the True Monopole, Part One.

2012-01-31 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
Sorry, ain't finished, but it will be along. Dunno what I hit that made it send. Tree, if you see it first, please pull it. 73, Guy. On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 6:51 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV olin...@bellsouth.netwrote: Well, Cackle Fersus got up that morning and forever afterwards swore something

Topband: In search of the True Monopole, Part Two.

2012-02-01 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
PART TWO - Finding the True Monopole was going to cost time and money, thought Cackle as he walked back down the steps. Was he still in his haint dream? Cackle mindlessly walked straight across the middle yard on one of the crossing walks and stopped at a sidewalk intersection to look

Re: Topband: 2Wire, Inc. 3800HGV-B Gateway. RFI --Problem fixed for now….

2012-02-03 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
My ATT field guys had nothing particularly good to say about CAT5. And they also were very negative about putting ferrites. But they ***WERE*** correct about the ferrites causing additional errors when the CAT5 run was marginal. I personally observed this myself. I will not attempt an

Re: Topband: 2Wire, Inc. 3800HGV-B Gateway. RFI --Problem fixed for now….

2012-02-04 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
The CAT5 in question for the interference is the INPUT side of the gateway box. This is sometimes used from the loop termination on the side of the house somewhere to the gateway box. THAT was the CAT5 sensitive to the ferrites. Ethernet on the output side of the gateway has not been an issue.

Re: Topband: Top band dispondant

2012-02-04 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
The answer to this one comes in several parts. Your antenna is composed of a pole (the up 40 and out 20) and a counter-pole (your elevated loaded radials). Power is DRIVEN into BOTH of these necessarily. Contrary to a dipole (where pole and counter-pole are identical and opposite, and both

Topband: In search of the True Monopole, Part Three.

2012-02-08 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
PART THREE - Cackle was sitting up in his bed, dreading going to sleep. This is crazy, speaking aloud to no one else in the room. None of this makes sense. None of this is worth losing sleep. Cackle laid back on his pillow and reached up to turn off his reading light, plunging the room

Topband: In search of the True Monopole, Part Four of Four.

2012-02-09 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
PART FOUR - There staring Cackle in the face was THE image of the monopole from Elmer's I-pad in his dream. Elmer the Haint surfs the internet. he said aloud. Elmer's right, no way that's a monopole. A long pause, as he stared at the photo. But it's not a five pole, either. Cackle

Re: Topband: Radials help

2012-02-10 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
According to either the ARRL ANTENNA HANDBOOK, or ON4UN's LOW-BAND DX HANDBOOK, the velocity factor of insulated wire placed atop the ground is 50%... Unfortunately, and inconveniently, not to cast aspersions on anyone, BUT actual measurements in the Raleigh area showed that velocity factor

Re: Topband: Radials help

2012-02-10 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
Pardon the dyslexia. Mr. Doty is W7ACD not W7ADC. On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 1:21 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV olin...@bellsouth.netwrote: Have a read on W7ADC's (the excellent Mr. Archibald Doty) work in NCJ on radials. 1983 and 2011. Note the variability in the SAME dense radial field, and his

Re: Topband: Radials help

2012-02-10 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
The 120 comes from the watershed 1937 Brown Lewis and Eppstein study now found in the IEEE journals. There were distinct characteristics to 120 times 0.4 wl (actually 115) that improved results even vs. 60. That a deficient radial system on one side has any significant reduction in that direction

Re: Topband: Radials help

2012-02-10 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
could come up with a dozen speculations about it, but that's all they'd be. -- Guy. On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 5:13 PM, Herb Schoenbohm he...@vitelcom.net wrote: On 2/10/2012 5:03 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: The 120 comes from the watershed 1937 Brown Lewis and Eppstein study now found in the IEEE

Re: Topband: Radials help

2012-02-12 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
Yes, FCP *was* originally designed to get small-lotters on top-band. My buddy Jack downsized and tore my heart out with his moaning about what he had done to his 160 results. But watch out when you say just. FCP has opened Pandora's box on the murky area of counterpoles for 160. We have the

Re: Topband: Propagation last evening

2012-02-25 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
We've had three contests in a row where Friday night 160 was really stinky. Will we have three in a row where Saturday night was a whole new deal? At least that long line of thunderstorms off shore that stretched from GA to New Brunswick will be gone with the front. In North Carolina the band

Re: Topband: Propagation last evening

2012-02-25 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
Well, I might agree with you Jim, if all the states and provinces weren't multipliers. And that the strategy of winners for 160 contests is to WORK ANYTHING THAT MOVES. If you hear it, work it. Doesn't matter if it's east coast or west coast or DX. Personally my limiting factor is being able

Re: Topband: RX Antenna advice

2012-02-27 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
Beverage antenna running up the mountain to intended direction does not inspire confidence for some number of reasons. What kind of soil is underneath it? Pennant, K9AY, or an array of same, something that rejects back and side, and hears high angle well would seem better suited. Maybe Waller

Topband: Band open with very fast QSB, the solar effect?

2012-03-07 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
CT1FJK 579 with very fast QSB 1832.5. Band is open. Solar effect from on coming wave? 73, Guy ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK

Re: Topband: How Good is Good Enough?

2012-03-12 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
I dont know if Id trust trying to use a resonant dipole on the ground to determine the VF of a non resonant wire. In any case keep the VF at about .6 or higher when determining the maximum length of the BOG, Slinky, or any other Beverge form. Carl KM1H It was clear there was a lot of

Re: Topband: It is not so much propagation

2012-03-19 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
Only if they have space for them. On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 10:59 AM, K4OWR k2...@comcast.net wrote: When I switch to my beverage antenna the noise pretty much goes to almost nothing. Don't most serious operators have oneor more??? BILL K4OWR On 3/19/2012 10:22 AM, N7DF wrote:

Re: Topband: Wellbrook receive loop performance

2012-04-10 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
When you say quieter, is that comparing signal to noise on a common signal, or just listening to the level of noise raw from the two antennas? 73, Guy On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 8:49 AM, joe gali...@comcast.net wrote: I am experimenting with a small one meter square loop.  It is 5 turns of #14

Re: Topband: Wellbrook receive loop performance

2012-04-15 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
Understanding the nature and pattern of a single antenna pattern is key to it's use. One bright possiblility, since the loop is so small to begin with, is to overcome pattern with multiple loop antennas and phasing (that's multiple antennas in separate locations). If you are in a situation

Re: Topband: Monopole Radiation Patterns, takeoff angles etc

2012-05-06 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
And your point is ?? That is not the only place where substitute arithmetic will produce a different figure. You can do the same with ground losses in the immediate vicinity, where if you do anything except the Norton-Sommerfield estimations you come up with a different figure. NOBODY has

Re: Topband: Monopole Radiation Patterns, takeoff angles etc

2012-05-08 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
One really needs to evaluate the usefulness of 5 degrees and under in a case-by-case basis. Most people in populated areas have 5 degrees completely obliterated by conductive and semi-conductive clutter...houses, trees, overhead powerlines, buildings, yada yada. And probably 10 and 15 degrees are

Re: Topband: Two wire Beverage Question

2012-05-22 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 9:28 AM, ZR z...@jeremy.mv.com wrote: It could be possible that the commercial transformers are providing a suck out . Try tuning well on both sides of 40M and see if this is a gradual or sudden thing. Beat me to the punch. Too long together with transformer

Re: Topband: HI-Z BACK IN BUSINESS

2012-05-31 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
a licensing agreement with PDS (aka DX Engineering). 73, Tony On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 11:05 AM, Guy Olinger K2AV olin...@bellsouth.net wrote: They have not removed the Legal Troubles banner from their web page yet. 73, Guy On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 10:58 AM, Larry Emery k...@uninet.net wrote

Re: Topband: Detuning transmit antenna in receive

2012-06-17 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
The easy way to do that is with a relay between the coax center conductor and the L wire at the feedpoint. When the relay is open, that makes the L a 1/4 wave on 160 which is not self-resonant. The quarter wave is only resonant in conjunction with whatever counterpoise you are using for the L.

Topband: Summer Stew

2012-06-18 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
The QRN was elsewhere this summer, out in the US Midwest and in a big circle around KV4FZ, I think. So I was able to hear better than last year. F5IN called for my only European contact. He was surprisingly loud. I finally got through KV4FZ's ring of fire, worked W0KIT and KG7H for 5 and 7

Re: Topband: TX ANT TO RX ANT COUPLING

2012-06-20 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
If one's tower does not have radials, is set in concrete, with minimal direct contact with earth (say less than a linear foot, with nothing more than the usual lightning treatment attached to the base, then the base connection is likely rather resistive RF, and strictly by itself the tower is a

Re: Topband: Chokes for Beverages

2012-06-21 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
I said flooded a few sentences later. It appears that you (by inference) use flooded everywhere outdoors. I have gone over to flooded + PE jacket for all my RX cables for the last three years, including TV AND indoors and DO NOT use anything else. The PE jacket lets me know what kind it is,

Re: Topband: Reducing Noise in the Shack

2012-06-21 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 2:59 PM, DAVID CUTHBERT telegraph...@gmail.comwrote: The W7NQN line filter is a differential-mode filter. You need a filter that is designed for common-mode filtering. Dave WX7G This is from the web page advertisement: - Compare this with a Brand C filter

Re: Topband: Reducing Noise in the Shack

2012-06-21 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
Olinger K2AV olin...@bellsouth.net wrote: On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 2:59 PM, DAVID CUTHBERT telegraph...@gmail.comwrote: The W7NQN line filter is a differential-mode filter. You need a filter that is designed for common-mode filtering. Dave WX7G This is from the web page advertisement

Re: Topband: Lightning makes antennas vanish

2012-07-08 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
I had an 80 half wave inverted L, up 67 out 70 feet, made of #12, strung with great difficulty between two tall trees, that really worked well. The vertical came down to my tractor shed from the western tree and went through the wall with insulation to an tank circuit tuner on the inside wall. In

Re: Topband: Loss comparison between two antennas

2012-07-10 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
Hi, Steve. It has taken some time to get to this and do it carefully. And sorry, some of the needed info WAS right there in your first post. Some days I just read right over tops of things and can't see them to save my life. But the specifics you returned in your second post are significant

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