Re: Topband: DXCC

2018-04-14 Thread VK3HJ

Congratulations Rick!

Who was your 100th country worked? Mine was SV3RF.

In Victoria and New South Wales, a 10 m tower may be put up without Planning 
Permit, Building Permit, etc from local municipality. Even then, there's the 
likelihood of neigbours' objection.
I live in the country, so at least I don't have neighbours who will make a 
fuss.


I'm guessing it's easier to put in an oil well in Yorba Linda than a decent 
tower. I visited there in 1997.


73,

Luke VK3HJ

-Original Message- 
From: rick darwicki via Topband

Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 7:04 AM
To: topband@contesting.com
Subject: Topband: DXCC

Well it has only taken 20 years but I finally made DXCC on Topband so my 
super powerful station will not be knocking you out of the pile ups anymore 
hi hi
You have to love Yorba Linda's 35 foot tower limit :-) Thanks to all that 
dug me out of the noise. 


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Re: Topband: DXCC etc

2015-07-12 Thread W0MU
If DXCC is destroyed there sure are a ton of people that failed to get 
that message.


The ARRL is in the business 
of..selling awards..


The Centennial QSO party was pure marketing genius.  How many people got 
involved to buy another award




On 7/12/2015 5:17 PM, Yuri Blanarovich wrote:

What matters? Technology.

Engine on a sail boat, Cessna vs. glider, biker vs. runner and 
competing in the same category. (According to ham radio logic)


DXCC was destroyed by lists and nets wy bck.

Now contesting, results, record tables are being destroyed by 
Internet, remotes and rentastations.


ARRL is just like another dumb gummit bureaucracy. See the 
recognition of Russian occupation of Crimea and Eastern Ukraine. 
Thousands of dead freedom loving Ukrainians, not even UN and US State 
Dept. matter. What you expect? Maybe tax on rentastation rental fee, 
or per QSO? Welcome to Ham Radio Commerce!


I lost appetite for playing with competitive radios. Thanks to Ham 
Radio for great old times, learning and building stations, getting me 
out of commie hell, influence in my career and many great friends I made.


Tony Soprano was right: Fuggetaboutit! Good luck to further 
perversion of our beloved hobby/sport.
I might try to 'splain more to those who don't get it, but wonder if 
it will do any good.


I am getting back to photo/video. Technology there is allowing some 
amazing things, UHD, 3D, VR, drones.


73 Yuri,
K3BU.us, VE3BMV etc.


 On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 03:08 PM, Roger D Johnson wrote:

  I just did a quick perusal of the current DXCC rules. If I 
understand them correctly:


1. Another ham can operate my station, using my call, and the 
contacts count

towards my DXCC.

2. I can go to his station, sign my call, and the contacts count 
towards my DXCC.


So...the station doesn't matter and the operator doesn't matter. What 
the heck

matters anymore?

73, Roger



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Re: Topband: DXCC etc

2015-07-12 Thread lmecseri



KE1F Lou


Sent on the new Sprint Network from my Samsung Galaxy S®4. By KE1F

 Original message 
From: Roger D Johnson n...@roadrunner.com 
Date: 07/12/2015  3:08 PM  (GMT-05:00) 
To: Top Band Reflector topband@contesting.com 
Subject: Topband: DXCC etc 

I just did a quick perusal of the current DXCC rules. If I understand them 
correctly:

1. Another ham can operate my station, using my call, and the contacts count
towards my DXCC.

2. I can go to his station, sign my call, and the contacts count towards my 
DXCC.

So...the station doesn't matter and the operator doesn't matter. What the heck
matters anymore?

73, Roger



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Re: Topband: DXCC etc

2015-07-12 Thread Yuri Blanarovich

What matters? Technology.
 
Engine on a sail boat, Cessna vs. glider, biker vs. runner and 
competing in the same category. (According to ham radio logic)


DXCC was destroyed by lists and nets wy bck.

Now contesting, results, record tables are being destroyed by Internet, 
remotes and rentastations.

 
ARRL is just like another dumb gummit bureaucracy. See the recognition 
of Russian occupation of Crimea and Eastern Ukraine. Thousands of dead 
freedom loving Ukrainians, not even UN and US State Dept. matter. What 
you expect? Maybe tax on rentastation rental fee, or per QSO? Welcome to 
Ham Radio Commerce!


I lost appetite for playing with competitive radios. Thanks to Ham Radio 
for great old times, learning and building stations, getting me out of 
commie hell, influence in my career and many great friends I made.


Tony Soprano was right: Fuggetaboutit! Good luck to further perversion 
of our beloved hobby/sport.
I might try to 'splain more to those who don't get it, but wonder if it 
will do any good.


I am getting back to photo/video. Technology there is allowing some 
amazing things, UHD, 3D, VR, drones.


73 Yuri,
K3BU.us, VE3BMV etc.

 
 On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 03:08 PM, Roger D Johnson wrote:
 
  I just did a quick perusal of the current DXCC rules. If I understand 
them correctly:


1. Another ham can operate my station, using my call, and the contacts 
count

towards my DXCC.

2. I can go to his station, sign my call, and the contacts count 
towards my DXCC.


So...the station doesn't matter and the operator doesn't matter. What 
the heck

matters anymore?

73, Roger



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Re: Topband: DXCC Issues !

2015-07-11 Thread Jim Brown

On Sat,7/11/2015 4:06 PM, Dick Bingham wrote:

How disheartning it is to work a weak W1-station calling
CQ on six meters


I almost never use /6 except occasionally on 6M during band openings. On 
SSB, if I'm calling CQ, I'll identify K9YC in California. The WSJT modes 
are great -- it's common practice to include you grid square in your CQ 
or as a report. For example, CQ K9YC CM87 and in response, K9YC W4ABC 
EM48


I think most of us who are active on Topband know the guys who operate 
out of their traditional call-area. We all know W8JI is in GA, most 
folks know I'm in CA, K1LT is in OH, N8OO is in LA, K5RC in in NV, K4XU 
and W2VJN are in OR, KD4POJ is in ND, W0AIH is in WI, K2AV is in NC, 
N3BB is in TX.


73, Jim K9YC





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Re: Topband: DXCC Program Integrity

2015-03-01 Thread Herbert Schoenbohm
Maybe so Anthony but I distinctly recall attending a a IARU Region 2 
conference some years ago in Ocho Rios, Jamaica and I was amazed at how 
many people from HQ along with their wives or partners that were booked 
in the 5 Star hotel where the conference was being held.  It was almost 
like HQ was left with just the clerical staff. Some members of the ARRL 
travel often and to far away places with strange sounding names. 
Considering that there is an ARRL booth at every major and many minor 
ham-fests and that there is one every couple of weeks, there can be 
little doubt that league personnel do very well in frequent flyer miles 
and don't lodge at a Motel 6 during the event.  Since the ARRL has a 
DXCC Desk as they call it, I wonder if they have a travel desk as well.



Herb Schoenbohm, KV4FZ

On 3/1/2015 2:07 PM, Anthony Scandurra wrote:

I don't see ARRL staff pulling down six figure salaries, driving expensive
cars, or living in mansions.

Why do we always assume there is an ulterior and possibly malicious
motive?  The inescapable fact is that the ARRL needs funds to fight for us
in Washington.

The ARRL is not perfect, but no organization is.  If you don't want to
participate in DXCC because you think it is corrupt, then don't!  No one is
holding a gun to your head.

73, Tony K4QE
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Re: Topband: DXCC Program Integrity

2015-03-01 Thread Tom W8JI
This one interesting sentence, made in another thread, may be at the root 
of

much of the disagreement expressed in the last few days with regards to
DXCC. It does cause one to wonder why the award exists at all. If DXCC 
only
matters to the recipient, why wouldn't their logbook serve the same 
purpose?

For some, it does. What added gratification does that extra piece of paper
provide? It's not exactly free. What makes the DXCC countries list so
special -- why not use some other list? Why did ARRL go to great pains to
make LoTW more challenging than online banking? Why are individuals
disqualified from the program if the award only affects *them*? Why do we
have card checkers that look for that dot between the 1 and the 8 like
the guy looking for a hanging chad with a magnifying glass? Finally, 
what
does it mean for the League to call DXCC the premier operating award 
then
turn up their hands and basically say we can't enforce any of this 
it's

up to you guys?

Larry K5RK


Larry,

This all just life no matter what we do. If we base our self-worth, or 
determine the worth of others by what **we** like or what we think they 
should do, we are destined to be grouchy unhappy people who spend a lot of 
time making ourselves and others unhappy.


It is this way in car shows, it is this way in automotive racing. It is this 
way in gaming and in sculpture and art.


The DXCC is the DXCC as the rule written for DXCC apply. If someone does not 
like the rules as written, they can try to change the rules or go find 
something else they like better.


In my opinion, and what makes me uncomfortable and ruins the spirit, is 
trying to disparage others because we don't happen to like the way the rules 
are written.


As for cheating, which really means breaking a rule (not what we might 
personally WANT a rule to be), that will always go on. The best we can do is 
try to minimize it by careful thought.


We seem to be becoming an increasingly angry society who like to not see 
anyone else having fun. We make extreme statements, invent conspiracies, and 
intentionally take things out of context just to be whining drama queens 
or professional curmudgeons.


The weirdest part of it all is we worry about and get all dramatic about 
small meaningless stuff, while we do nothing to rationally work on real 
problems. I think maybe we are all getting old, and getting some of that 
infamous Brooklyn syndrome.


73 Tom 


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Re: Topband: DXCC Program Integrity

2015-03-01 Thread Doug Renwick
Larry I admire your ability to see past the 'smoke and mirrors' and expose
the hypocrisy of the ARRL DXCC program.  What you have said is true.  The
ARRL speaks out of both corners of their mouth.  There will be others who
will object to you exposing the DXCC program and there will be others who
wish to change the subject.  Some will find the truth unacceptable.

Doug

-Original Message-

 The integrity of the program is irrelevant

This one interesting sentence, made in another thread, may be at the root of
much of the disagreement expressed in the last few days with regards to
DXCC. It does cause one to wonder why the award exists at all. If DXCC only
matters to the recipient, why wouldn't their logbook serve the same purpose?
For some, it does. What added gratification does that extra piece of paper
provide? It's not exactly free. What makes the DXCC countries list so
special -- why not use some other list? Why did ARRL go to great pains to
make LoTW more challenging than online banking? Why are individuals
disqualified from the program if the award only affects *them*? Why do we
have card checkers that look for that dot between the 1 and the 8 like
the guy looking for a hanging chad with a magnifying glass? Finally, what
does it mean for the League to call DXCC the premier operating award then
turn up their hands and basically say we can't enforce any of this it's
up to you guys?

Larry K5RK




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Re: Topband: DXCC Program Integrity

2015-03-01 Thread W0MU Mike Fatchett
I think the ARRL does many good things for Amateur Radio.  They are also 
involved in things that are good for them and not so much for us.  Their 
latest call for comments is directly related to the RM11708 issue.


The DXCC program history is certainly not a beacon of purity and 
transparency is it?


Some guy operating a remote station to work people is nothing compared 
to some of the things that have gone on in the program.


The Centennial Award last year got people on the air and working other 
people which is a good thing.  They also sold a boat load of LOTW 
credits and awards.


The challenge Award   Sells lots of LOTW credits and more plaques.  
I have no problem with it.  The plaque is nice and it is fun to chase 
all the band mode combos and it has promoted more activity.


Was the primary goal to get more people on the air or sell more stuff?


Mike W0MU

On 3/1/2015 10:27 AM, Doug Renwick wrote:

Larry I admire your ability to see past the 'smoke and mirrors' and expose
the hypocrisy of the ARRL DXCC program.  What you have said is true.  The
ARRL speaks out of both corners of their mouth.  There will be others who
will object to you exposing the DXCC program and there will be others who
wish to change the subject.  Some will find the truth unacceptable.

Doug

-Original Message-


The integrity of the program is irrelevant

This one interesting sentence, made in another thread, may be at the root of
much of the disagreement expressed in the last few days with regards to
DXCC. It does cause one to wonder why the award exists at all. If DXCC only
matters to the recipient, why wouldn't their logbook serve the same purpose?
For some, it does. What added gratification does that extra piece of paper
provide? It's not exactly free. What makes the DXCC countries list so
special -- why not use some other list? Why did ARRL go to great pains to
make LoTW more challenging than online banking? Why are individuals
disqualified from the program if the award only affects *them*? Why do we
have card checkers that look for that dot between the 1 and the 8 like
the guy looking for a hanging chad with a magnifying glass? Finally, what
does it mean for the League to call DXCC the premier operating award then
turn up their hands and basically say we can't enforce any of this it's
up to you guys?

Larry K5RK




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Re: Topband: DXCC Program Integrity

2015-03-01 Thread Anthony Scandurra
I don't see ARRL staff pulling down six figure salaries, driving expensive
cars, or living in mansions.

Why do we always assume there is an ulterior and possibly malicious
motive?  The inescapable fact is that the ARRL needs funds to fight for us
in Washington.

The ARRL is not perfect, but no organization is.  If you don't want to
participate in DXCC because you think it is corrupt, then don't!  No one is
holding a gun to your head.

73, Tony K4QE
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Re: Topband: DXCC Program Integrity

2015-03-01 Thread Doug Renwick
Yes you are right don't participate when it is corrupt.  But I have been in
the DXCC program for a long time ... it would be hard to leave.  I guess a
main reason for participating is it serves as a back-up to my QSL cards.  If
I should ever loose my cards, my records are in what I hope is a safe place.
I also don't think we should accept mediocrity.  I believe we should try and
make the world a BETTER place rather than accepting how things are.  High
standards are like a sand castle ... one has to constantly build otherwise
they disappear.

Doug 

I wasn't born in Saskatchewan, but I got here as soon as I could.

-Original Message-

The ARRL is not perfect, but no organization is.  If you don't want to
participate in DXCC because you think it is corrupt, then don't!  No one is
holding a gun to your head.

73, Tony K4QE


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Re: Topband: DXCC Desk?

2013-11-19 Thread Herb Schoenbohm
Len,  Kosovo at least counts in the CQ WW and other contests as a new 
entity.


Z60WW (not Z60W) from the Republic of Kosovo will be 15M single band
in the CQWW CW.  OH2TA, Pekka, will operate using the Z61DX antennas.
Kosovo counts as a separate country multiplier in the CQWW.  QSL Z60WW ia OH2BH.



It really is just a matter of the DXCC committee giving a wink and a 
nod on this one.  IMHO they must eschew all political considerations and 
not just some of them.  For some strange reason the disputed rocks in 
the south China Sea are countries and Kosovo is not.  This makes no 
sense at all. It gives the impression to some, every time this happens, 
that the fix is in and somebody writes the rules to fit the 
circumstances.  Just like in the upcoming ARRL 160 meter contest 
somebody decided that the Virgin Islands and all the other US 
territories including K9W are not DX for that contest.  So rather than 
going by logic and fairness these decisions are made for political 
consideration by the establishment.  In the case of the ARRL contest my 
former neighbor VP2VI was a DX station but me being a few miles away in 
the USVI have no chance of even being in the top 100.  Why did this 
happen?  Bob. VP2VI (W0DX) who lived on Tortolla made sure he was 
included.  He was ARRL president at the time and a big 160 meter DX-er 
and knew who to talk to at HQ.  Unfortunately HQ could not bend their 
strange exclusionary rules anymore to include all DX but just some 
while they turned their backs on us in the U.S. Territories.  Now in 
this contest DX is prohibited from working DXjust wait for the 
bedlam that issues when KH8 comes on during the contest and they have a 
good opening to Europe and Asia in the middle of the ARRL 160 meter (DX) 
contest?  The ARRL 160 contest rules are just plain dumb.



Herb Schoenbohm, KV4FZ






On 11/18/2013 12:27 PM, Lennart Michaelsson wrote:

Hi Herb et al,
   
In Europe  Kosovo is considered to be an autonom and independent unit. In

fact both the  EU and NATO did bring the forces necessary to bring the war
to an end. Why, you might ask after all this suffering, is that this nation
still is not recognazid as a separate entity to this very small world of the
global assembly that Ham  radio really is?
Len
SM7BIC

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Re: Topband: DXCC Desk?

2013-11-18 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV


On 11/18/2013 9:29 AM, Herb Schoenbohm wrote:
 What is the DXCC Desk anyway?  It used to be just Bob White W1CW
 seated at a real oak desk with stacks of cards and papers and Bob's
 omnipresent huge Sherlock Holmes handy magnifying glass to look for
 any alterations.

The DXCC Desk is still the ARRL Awards Manager (e.g. NC1L) supported
by several clerical assistants.  The Awards program is located within
the ARRL MVP (Membership and Volunteer Programs) Department which is
managed by NN1N.

 Now new countries are created and approved for political purposes
 and real ones are refused for political purposes, like Kosovo and
 Chechnya.

Fortunately, country creation is clearly defined in the DXCC rules
and new ones are no longer created for political reasons (like
Baldwin's Reef and Scaffold (BS) Reef).  Unfortunately, the rules
have a blind spot regarding Kosovo but adding Independent States in
the World - http://www.state.gov/s/inr/rls/4250.htm - to the criteria
would solve that problem.  As far as Chechnya, Turkish Republic of
Northern Cyprus, Abkhazia, Nagorno-Karabakh, Transnistria, South
Ossetia, etc. they are all governments in opposition - not real
functioning nations recognized by either the US, the UN or a significant 
number of other nation.


73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 11/18/2013 9:29 AM, Herb Schoenbohm wrote:

What is the DXCC Desk anyway?  It used to be just Bob White W1CW
seated at a real oak desk with stacks of cards and papers and Bob's
omnipresent huge Sherlock Holmes handy magnifying glass to look for any
alterations.  Today I understand the DXCC Desk is no longer a desk at
all but is comprised of computers, LOTW servers, and a DXCC Committee,
which is tasked by another Committee made up primarily by HQ employees
and answer, perhaps, to the ARRL Board of Directors.  I think the
organization flow chart may even be a mystery inside of an enigma.
Perhaps a Kafkaesque relic from some other place.   That's how they like
it.  Now new countries are created and approved for political purposes
and real ones are refused for political purposes, like Kosovo and
Chechnya.Maybe instead of referring to it as the DXCC Desk perhaps
the DXCC Regime  would be more appropriate.

Mis dos centavos

Herb Schoenbohm, KV4FZ





On 11/18/2013 9:12 AM, James Rodenkirch wrote:

Sheesh, Carl!! I doubt if the ARRL desk is gonna,  or even should,
weigh in on something they'd have no control over OR would have even
an inkling of what went on to cause them  to question it!
First off, last time I looked, the QSL sent and received is between
the sender, in this case me, and the receiver/replyee, the DX bubba
AND, most importantly, is based on the notion that both are telling
the truth How in the hell would/could the DXCC question that???
They gonna think we both are lying???
NOW, in the case of suspected cheating - me submitting a QSL card,
as part of my DXCC 160 package submission for a QSO on 160 between
K9JWV and PT0S at 1700Z on any day of the year - I could see them
saying Prove it!  Hi Hi
I am FASCINATED by your mention of a Prove it, Dood via requesting
an audio tape of a QSO for validation!!  Wow!!
72, Jim R. K9JWV


From: k...@jeremy.mv.com
To: rodenkirch_...@msn.com; ber...@dailydx.com
CC: ve...@sasktel.net; topband@contesting.com; he...@vitelcom.net
Subject: Re: Topband: Don't give up AND log who worked the DX b4 and
after!
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2013 20:03:05 -0500

I would think that the ultimate decision is up to the ARRL DXCC desk.
In the past if it wasnt in the log it didnt countperiod...no
matter who
was before or after. Expecting an operator to remember a mistake months
later...or his QSL manageris a stretch.

This brought about many decades ago of making a tape copy (that shows
its
age) whenever a new one was worked and a few times having to present
it to
the DXCC desk to obtain credit.

Im not saying you both didnt do a full legitimate exchange, dont get me
wrong there.

Perhaps someone from the DXCC desk can weigh in.

Carl
KM1H


 Original Message -
From: James Rodenkirch rodenkirch_...@msn.com
To: Bernie McClenny, W3UR ber...@dailydx.com; KM1H Carl
k...@jeremy.mv.com
Cc: Doug Renwick ve...@sasktel.net; Top Band Contesting
topband@contesting.com; KV4FZ Herb he...@vitelcom.net
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2013 6:25 PM
Subject: Re: Topband: Don't give up AND log who worked the DX b4 and
after!


As Bernie says, Mistakes happen.
Just to re-iterate --- they DID copy my call correctly!! I heard them
come
back to me with K9JWV 599! THAT's why I put in the log.
  I wouldn't have logged the QSO if he came back K9JJV 599!!! I'd
still be
there calling them!! Hi HiI'm ok with the notion it's not a valid QSO IF
they got my call wrong in the exchange, which they didn't! Them
mucking up
my call entry in the log is a different matter.
72, Jim R. K9JWV




From: ber...@dailydx.com
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2013 15:29:18 -0500
To: z...@jeremy.mv.com
CC: he...@vitelcom.net; topband@contesting.com; 

Re: Topband: DXCC Desk?

2013-11-18 Thread Lennart Michaelsson
Hi Herb et al,
  
In Europe  Kosovo is considered to be an autonom and independent unit. In
fact both the  EU and NATO did bring the forces necessary to bring the war
to an end. Why, you might ask after all this suffering, is that this nation
still is not recognazid as a separate entity to this very small world of the
global assembly that Ham  radio really is?
Len
SM7BIC

-Ursprungligt meddelande-
Från: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] För Herb Schoenbohm
Skickat: den 18 november 2013 15:30
Till: topband@contesting.com
Ämne: Topband: DXCC Desk?

What is the DXCC Desk anyway?  It used to be just Bob White W1CW seated at
a real oak desk with stacks of cards and papers and Bob's omnipresent huge
Sherlock Holmes handy magnifying glass to look for any alterations.  Today I
understand the DXCC Desk is no longer a desk at all but is comprised of
computers, LOTW servers, and a DXCC Committee, which is tasked by another
Committee made up primarily by HQ employees and answer, perhaps, to the ARRL
Board of Directors.  I think the organization flow chart may even be a
mystery inside of an enigma. 
Perhaps a Kafkaesque relic from some other place.   That's how they like 
it.  Now new countries are created and approved for political purposes and
real ones are refused for political purposes, like Kosovo and 
Chechnya.Maybe instead of referring to it as the DXCC Desk perhaps 
the DXCC Regime  would be more appropriate.

Mis dos centavos

Herb Schoenbohm, KV4FZ





On 11/18/2013 9:12 AM, James Rodenkirch wrote:
 Sheesh, Carl!! I doubt if the ARRL desk is gonna,  or even should,  weigh
in on something they'd have no control over OR would have even an inkling of
what went on to cause them  to question it!
 First off, last time I looked, the QSL sent and received is between the
sender, in this case me, and the receiver/replyee, the DX bubba AND, most
importantly, is based on the notion that both are telling the truth How
in the hell would/could the DXCC question that??? They gonna think we both
are lying???
 NOW, in the case of suspected cheating - me submitting a QSL card, 
 as part of my DXCC 160 package submission for a QSO on 160 between K9JWV
and PT0S at 1700Z on any day of the year - I could see them saying Prove
it!  Hi Hi I am FASCINATED by your mention of a Prove it, Dood via
requesting an audio tape of a QSO for validation!!  Wow!!
 72, Jim R. K9JWV

 From: k...@jeremy.mv.com
 To: rodenkirch_...@msn.com; ber...@dailydx.com
 CC: ve...@sasktel.net; topband@contesting.com; he...@vitelcom.net
 Subject: Re: Topband: Don't give up AND log who worked the DX b4 and
after!
 Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2013 20:03:05 -0500

 I would think that the ultimate decision is up to the ARRL DXCC desk.
 In the past if it wasnt in the log it didnt countperiod...no 
 matter who was before or after. Expecting an operator to remember a 
 mistake months later...or his QSL manageris a stretch.

 This brought about many decades ago of making a tape copy (that shows 
 its
 age) whenever a new one was worked and a few times having to present 
 it to the DXCC desk to obtain credit.

 Im not saying you both didnt do a full legitimate exchange, dont get 
 me wrong there.

 Perhaps someone from the DXCC desk can weigh in.

 Carl
 KM1H


  Original Message -
 From: James Rodenkirch rodenkirch_...@msn.com
 To: Bernie McClenny, W3UR ber...@dailydx.com; KM1H Carl
 k...@jeremy.mv.com
 Cc: Doug Renwick ve...@sasktel.net; Top Band Contesting
 topband@contesting.com; KV4FZ Herb he...@vitelcom.net
 Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2013 6:25 PM
 Subject: Re: Topband: Don't give up AND log who worked the DX b4 and
after!


 As Bernie says, Mistakes happen.
 Just to re-iterate --- they DID copy my call correctly!! I heard them 
 come back to me with K9JWV 599! THAT's why I put in the log.
   I wouldn't have logged the QSO if he came back K9JJV 599!!! I'd 
 still be there calling them!! Hi HiI'm ok with the notion it's not a 
 valid QSO IF they got my call wrong in the exchange, which they 
 didn't! Them mucking up my call entry in the log is a different matter.
 72, Jim R. K9JWV



 From: ber...@dailydx.com
 Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2013 15:29:18 -0500
 To: z...@jeremy.mv.com
 CC: he...@vitelcom.net; topband@contesting.com; ve...@sasktel.net
 Subject: Re: Topband: Don't give up AND log who worked the DX b4 and 
 after!

 Like I said - mistakes happen.  If the guy who made the mistake 
 realizes he did so and is will to correct the error that is nothing 
 wrong with that.
 Bernie

 Bernie McClenny, W3UR
 Editor of The Daily DX, The Weekly DX and How's DX?
 Two week trial - http://www.dailydx.com/trial.htm 
 https://twitter.com/dailydx
 410-489-6518


 On Nov 16, 2013, at 8:46 AM, ZR z...@jeremy.mv.com wrote:

 Ive always been under the impression that both calls have to be 
 sent, received, and verified to count for DXCC and other awards. 
 QSO's on 160 are no different than EME when it comes to verification.
 Unless an audio recording 

Re: Topband: DXCC Desk?

2013-11-18 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV


Len,


Why, you might ask after all this suffering, is that this nation
still is not recognazid as a separate entity to this very small
world  of the global assembly that Ham radio really is?


Ask the Serbs and Russians why they blocked Kosovar membership in the
UN and prevented ITU from assigning a callsign block, dialing prefix
and internet TLD?  If the Serbs and Russians recognize the Palestine
they could certainly allow Kosovo similar international privileges.

Kosovo is recognized by the US as an independent state (see:
http://www.state.gov/s/inr/rls/4250.htm) and like the EU the US
maintains diplomatic relations with Kosovo.  Unfortunately, the
DXCC Rules (see: http://www.arrl.org/files/file/DXCC/DXCC%20Rules.pdf)
do not include the US DOS Independent States in the World listing as
a qualifying option for a Political (Rule 1) Entity.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 11/18/2013 11:27 AM, Lennart Michaelsson wrote:

Hi Herb et al,

In Europe  Kosovo is considered to be an autonom and independent unit. In
fact both the  EU and NATO did bring the forces necessary to bring the war
to an end. Why, you might ask after all this suffering, is that this nation
still is not recognazid as a separate entity to this very small world of the
global assembly that Ham  radio really is?
Len
SM7BIC

-Ursprungligt meddelande-
Från: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] För Herb Schoenbohm
Skickat: den 18 november 2013 15:30
Till: topband@contesting.com
Ämne: Topband: DXCC Desk?

What is the DXCC Desk anyway?  It used to be just Bob White W1CW seated at
a real oak desk with stacks of cards and papers and Bob's omnipresent huge
Sherlock Holmes handy magnifying glass to look for any alterations.  Today I
understand the DXCC Desk is no longer a desk at all but is comprised of
computers, LOTW servers, and a DXCC Committee, which is tasked by another
Committee made up primarily by HQ employees and answer, perhaps, to the ARRL
Board of Directors.  I think the organization flow chart may even be a
mystery inside of an enigma.
Perhaps a Kafkaesque relic from some other place.   That's how they like
it.  Now new countries are created and approved for political purposes and
real ones are refused for political purposes, like Kosovo and
Chechnya.Maybe instead of referring to it as the DXCC Desk perhaps
the DXCC Regime  would be more appropriate.

Mis dos centavos

Herb Schoenbohm, KV4FZ





On 11/18/2013 9:12 AM, James Rodenkirch wrote:

Sheesh, Carl!! I doubt if the ARRL desk is gonna,  or even should,  weigh

in on something they'd have no control over OR would have even an inkling of
what went on to cause them  to question it!

First off, last time I looked, the QSL sent and received is between the

sender, in this case me, and the receiver/replyee, the DX bubba AND, most
importantly, is based on the notion that both are telling the truth How
in the hell would/could the DXCC question that??? They gonna think we both
are lying???

NOW, in the case of suspected cheating - me submitting a QSL card,
as part of my DXCC 160 package submission for a QSO on 160 between K9JWV

and PT0S at 1700Z on any day of the year - I could see them saying Prove
it!  Hi Hi I am FASCINATED by your mention of a Prove it, Dood via
requesting an audio tape of a QSO for validation!!  Wow!!

72, Jim R. K9JWV


From: k...@jeremy.mv.com
To: rodenkirch_...@msn.com; ber...@dailydx.com
CC: ve...@sasktel.net; topband@contesting.com; he...@vitelcom.net
Subject: Re: Topband: Don't give up AND log who worked the DX b4 and

after!

Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2013 20:03:05 -0500

I would think that the ultimate decision is up to the ARRL DXCC desk.
In the past if it wasnt in the log it didnt countperiod...no
matter who was before or after. Expecting an operator to remember a
mistake months later...or his QSL manageris a stretch.

This brought about many decades ago of making a tape copy (that shows
its
age) whenever a new one was worked and a few times having to present
it to the DXCC desk to obtain credit.

Im not saying you both didnt do a full legitimate exchange, dont get
me wrong there.

Perhaps someone from the DXCC desk can weigh in.

Carl
KM1H


 Original Message -
From: James Rodenkirch rodenkirch_...@msn.com
To: Bernie McClenny, W3UR ber...@dailydx.com; KM1H Carl
k...@jeremy.mv.com
Cc: Doug Renwick ve...@sasktel.net; Top Band Contesting
topband@contesting.com; KV4FZ Herb he...@vitelcom.net
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2013 6:25 PM
Subject: Re: Topband: Don't give up AND log who worked the DX b4 and

after!



As Bernie says, Mistakes happen.
Just to re-iterate --- they DID copy my call correctly!! I heard them
come back to me with K9JWV 599! THAT's why I put in the log.
   I wouldn't have logged the QSO if he came back K9JJV 599!!! I'd
still be there calling them!! Hi HiI'm ok with the notion it's not a
valid QSO IF they got my call wrong in the exchange, which they
didn't! Them mucking up my call entry in the log is a different 

Re: Topband: DXCC Desk?

2013-11-18 Thread Herb Schoenbohm
Gents... Amateur radio is supposed to be devoid of politics as much as 
possible. but the more you dig the worse it gets.  I once attended an 
IARU Region II meeting in Jamaica and was amazed by all the wheeling and 
dealing going on with DXCC accreditation at the core. That was nearly 50 
years ago and it seems not much has changed.  I had even heard that the 
ops at 706T where banned from working any 4X4's but the sharp ops with a 
wink and a nod just logged VX4*** rather than mentioning anything on the 
air. Would the ARRL DXCC Desk discredit a single 4X4 in need of this 
one?  I sort of doubt it. At times there are bona fide reasons to make 
exception.  Also the creation of private DX preserves by the ARRL for 
certain Radio Societies is legend. In fact KP5 (Desecheo) should never 
have been granted DXCC status when Mona Island which permits visitors 
was refused.  Additionally Water Island, which KP2A fought for for 
years, was clearly not part of the USVI and until recently administered 
solely by the U.S. Department of interior.  But so the story goes that 
hams in Puerto Rico had decided to join the IARU as a distinct and 
unique entity apart from the U.S. and the creation of a private DXCC 
location was the price the ARRL paid to halt those plans.  The DXCC 
rules have been anything but consistant and have been bent and twisted 
like a heavily gerrymander congressional district to purposely include 
or exclude  voters of certain just to satisfy some.



Herb Schoenbohm, KV4FZ






On 11/18/2013 3:47 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:


Len,


Why, you might ask after all this suffering, is that this nation
still is not recognazid as a separate entity to this very small
world  of the global assembly that Ham radio really is?


Ask the Serbs and Russians why they blocked Kosovar membership in the
UN and prevented ITU from assigning a callsign block, dialing prefix
and internet TLD?  If the Serbs and Russians recognize the Palestine
they could certainly allow Kosovo similar international privileges.

Kosovo is recognized by the US as an independent state (see:
http://www.state.gov/s/inr/rls/4250.htm) and like the EU the US
maintains diplomatic relations with Kosovo.  Unfortunately, the
DXCC Rules (see: http://www.arrl.org/files/file/DXCC/DXCC%20Rules.pdf)
do not include the US DOS Independent States in the World listing as
a qualifying option for a Political (Rule 1) Entity.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV




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Re: Topband: DXCC Desk?

2013-11-18 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV


Herb,

Get your facts straight ... the issues you raise happened in the main
more than 20 years ago.  The latest DXCC rules revision DXCC 2000 has
greatly simplified (and removed the subjectivity) from the entities
criteria (although there are those who can't read a map properly and
screw up the separation between Saba and Bonaire).

The current criteria are quite simple and transparent - leaving very
little interpretation as to what qualifies as a political entity,
or Geographic Separation Entity.  There is simply no opportunity for
the backroom politics under the current rules.  In that regard the
issues about which you are kvetching have been resolved for 15 years.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 11/18/2013 3:33 PM, Herb Schoenbohm wrote:

Gents... Amateur radio is supposed to be devoid of politics as much as
possible. but the more you dig the worse it gets.  I once attended an
IARU Region II meeting in Jamaica and was amazed by all the wheeling and
dealing going on with DXCC accreditation at the core. That was nearly 50
years ago and it seems not much has changed.  I had even heard that the
ops at 706T where banned from working any 4X4's but the sharp ops with a
wink and a nod just logged VX4*** rather than mentioning anything on the
air. Would the ARRL DXCC Desk discredit a single 4X4 in need of this
one?  I sort of doubt it. At times there are bona fide reasons to make
exception.  Also the creation of private DX preserves by the ARRL for
certain Radio Societies is legend. In fact KP5 (Desecheo) should never
have been granted DXCC status when Mona Island which permits visitors
was refused.  Additionally Water Island, which KP2A fought for for
years, was clearly not part of the USVI and until recently administered
solely by the U.S. Department of interior.  But so the story goes that
hams in Puerto Rico had decided to join the IARU as a distinct and
unique entity apart from the U.S. and the creation of a private DXCC
location was the price the ARRL paid to halt those plans.  The DXCC
rules have been anything but consistant and have been bent and twisted
like a heavily gerrymander congressional district to purposely include
or exclude  voters of certain just to satisfy some.


Herb Schoenbohm, KV4FZ






On 11/18/2013 3:47 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:


Len,


Why, you might ask after all this suffering, is that this nation
still is not recognazid as a separate entity to this very small
world  of the global assembly that Ham radio really is?


Ask the Serbs and Russians why they blocked Kosovar membership in the
UN and prevented ITU from assigning a callsign block, dialing prefix
and internet TLD?  If the Serbs and Russians recognize the Palestine
they could certainly allow Kosovo similar international privileges.

Kosovo is recognized by the US as an independent state (see:
http://www.state.gov/s/inr/rls/4250.htm) and like the EU the US
maintains diplomatic relations with Kosovo.  Unfortunately, the
DXCC Rules (see: http://www.arrl.org/files/file/DXCC/DXCC%20Rules.pdf)
do not include the US DOS Independent States in the World listing as
a qualifying option for a Political (Rule 1) Entity.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV




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Re: Topband: DXCC Desk?

2013-11-18 Thread Charlie Cunningham
Well, I will be pleased and my faith in DXCC will be restored when they
delete the farce of Scaffold Reef - B.S.- seven- hotel!. As far as I'm
concerned, I f you can't sleep on it and prepare meals on it - it ain't a
country! I by  any stretch of the imagination! ( I did work BS7H and have
it confirmed, but it's not a country!)

73,
Charlie, K4OTV

-Original Message-
From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Joe
Subich, W4TV
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2013 3:56 PM
To: topband@contesting.com
Subject: Re: Topband: DXCC Desk?


Herb,

Get your facts straight ... the issues you raise happened in the main
more than 20 years ago.  The latest DXCC rules revision DXCC 2000 has
greatly simplified (and removed the subjectivity) from the entities
criteria (although there are those who can't read a map properly and
screw up the separation between Saba and Bonaire).

The current criteria are quite simple and transparent - leaving very
little interpretation as to what qualifies as a political entity,
or Geographic Separation Entity.  There is simply no opportunity for
the backroom politics under the current rules.  In that regard the
issues about which you are kvetching have been resolved for 15 years.

73,

... Joe, W4TV


On 11/18/2013 3:33 PM, Herb Schoenbohm wrote:
 Gents... Amateur radio is supposed to be devoid of politics as much as
 possible. but the more you dig the worse it gets.  I once attended an
 IARU Region II meeting in Jamaica and was amazed by all the wheeling and
 dealing going on with DXCC accreditation at the core. That was nearly 50
 years ago and it seems not much has changed.  I had even heard that the
 ops at 706T where banned from working any 4X4's but the sharp ops with a
 wink and a nod just logged VX4*** rather than mentioning anything on the
 air. Would the ARRL DXCC Desk discredit a single 4X4 in need of this
 one?  I sort of doubt it. At times there are bona fide reasons to make
 exception.  Also the creation of private DX preserves by the ARRL for
 certain Radio Societies is legend. In fact KP5 (Desecheo) should never
 have been granted DXCC status when Mona Island which permits visitors
 was refused.  Additionally Water Island, which KP2A fought for for
 years, was clearly not part of the USVI and until recently administered
 solely by the U.S. Department of interior.  But so the story goes that
 hams in Puerto Rico had decided to join the IARU as a distinct and
 unique entity apart from the U.S. and the creation of a private DXCC
 location was the price the ARRL paid to halt those plans.  The DXCC
 rules have been anything but consistant and have been bent and twisted
 like a heavily gerrymander congressional district to purposely include
 or exclude  voters of certain just to satisfy some.


 Herb Schoenbohm, KV4FZ






 On 11/18/2013 3:47 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:

 Len,

 Why, you might ask after all this suffering, is that this nation
 still is not recognazid as a separate entity to this very small
 world  of the global assembly that Ham radio really is?

 Ask the Serbs and Russians why they blocked Kosovar membership in the
 UN and prevented ITU from assigning a callsign block, dialing prefix
 and internet TLD?  If the Serbs and Russians recognize the Palestine
 they could certainly allow Kosovo similar international privileges.

 Kosovo is recognized by the US as an independent state (see:
 http://www.state.gov/s/inr/rls/4250.htm) and like the EU the US
 maintains diplomatic relations with Kosovo.  Unfortunately, the
 DXCC Rules (see: http://www.arrl.org/files/file/DXCC/DXCC%20Rules.pdf)
 do not include the US DOS Independent States in the World listing as
 a qualifying option for a Political (Rule 1) Entity.

 73,

... Joe, W4TV



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Re: Topband: DXCC Desk?

2013-11-18 Thread k2qmf
Hi Charlie,

There are a lot of entities that we, as hams, count as countries for
DXCC credit!

It makes going for the award all that much more fun!!

73,
Ted  K2QMF


On Mon, 18 Nov 2013 16:57:03 -0500 Charlie Cunningham
charlie-cunning...@nc.rr.com writes:
 Well, I will be pleased and my faith in DXCC will be restored when 
 they
 delete the farce of Scaffold Reef - B.S.- seven- hotel!. As far 
 as I'm
 concerned, I f you can't sleep on it and prepare meals on it - it 
 ain't a
 country! I by  any stretch of the imagination! ( I did work BS7H 
 and have
 it confirmed, but it's not a country!)
 
 73,
 Charlie, K4OTV
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of 
 Joe
 Subich, W4TV
 Sent: Monday, November 18, 2013 3:56 PM
 To: topband@contesting.com
 Subject: Re: Topband: DXCC Desk?
 
 
 Herb,
 
 Get your facts straight ... the issues you raise happened in the 
 main
 more than 20 years ago.  The latest DXCC rules revision DXCC 2000 
 has
 greatly simplified (and removed the subjectivity) from the entities
 criteria (although there are those who can't read a map properly 
 and
 screw up the separation between Saba and Bonaire).
 
 The current criteria are quite simple and transparent - leaving 
 very
 little interpretation as to what qualifies as a political 
 entity,
 or Geographic Separation Entity.  There is simply no opportunity 
 for
 the backroom politics under the current rules.  In that regard the
 issues about which you are kvetching have been resolved for 15 
 years.
 
 73,
 
 ... Joe, W4TV
 
 
 On 11/18/2013 3:33 PM, Herb Schoenbohm wrote:
  Gents... Amateur radio is supposed to be devoid of politics as 
 much as
  possible. but the more you dig the worse it gets.  I once attended 
 an
  IARU Region II meeting in Jamaica and was amazed by all the 
 wheeling and
  dealing going on with DXCC accreditation at the core. That was 
 nearly 50
  years ago and it seems not much has changed.  I had even heard 
 that the
  ops at 706T where banned from working any 4X4's but the sharp ops 
 with a
  wink and a nod just logged VX4*** rather than mentioning anything 
 on the
  air. Would the ARRL DXCC Desk discredit a single 4X4 in need of 
 this
  one?  I sort of doubt it. At times there are bona fide reasons to 
 make
  exception.  Also the creation of private DX preserves by the ARRL 
 for
  certain Radio Societies is legend. In fact KP5 (Desecheo) should 
 never
  have been granted DXCC status when Mona Island which permits 
 visitors
  was refused.  Additionally Water Island, which KP2A fought for 
 for
  years, was clearly not part of the USVI and until recently 
 administered
  solely by the U.S. Department of interior.  But so the story goes 
 that
  hams in Puerto Rico had decided to join the IARU as a distinct 
 and
  unique entity apart from the U.S. and the creation of a private 
 DXCC
  location was the price the ARRL paid to halt those plans.  The 
 DXCC
  rules have been anything but consistant and have been bent and 
 twisted
  like a heavily gerrymander congressional district to purposely 
 include
  or exclude  voters of certain just to satisfy some.
 
 
  Herb Schoenbohm, KV4FZ
 
 
 
 
 
 
  On 11/18/2013 3:47 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
 
  Len,
 
  Why, you might ask after all this suffering, is that this 
 nation
  still is not recognazid as a separate entity to this very small
  world  of the global assembly that Ham radio really is?
 
  Ask the Serbs and Russians why they blocked Kosovar membership in 
 the
  UN and prevented ITU from assigning a callsign block, dialing 
 prefix
  and internet TLD?  If the Serbs and Russians recognize the 
 Palestine
  they could certainly allow Kosovo similar international 
 privileges.
 
  Kosovo is recognized by the US as an independent state (see:
  http://www.state.gov/s/inr/rls/4250.htm) and like the EU the US
  maintains diplomatic relations with Kosovo.  Unfortunately, the
  DXCC Rules (see: 
 http://www.arrl.org/files/file/DXCC/DXCC%20Rules.pdf)
  do not include the US DOS Independent States in the World 
 listing as
  a qualifying option for a Political (Rule 1) Entity.
 
  73,
 
 ... Joe, W4TV
 
 
 
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Re: Topband: DXCC Desk?

2013-11-18 Thread Charlie Cunningham
Well, maybe so, Ted. But I'd be really impressed if Martti would mount a
major expedition to North Korea!

73,,
Charlie, K4OTV


-Original Message-
From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of
k2...@juno.com
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2013 5:05 PM
To: charlie-cunning...@nc.rr.com
Cc: li...@subich.com; topband@contesting.com
Subject: Re: Topband: DXCC Desk?

Hi Charlie,

There are a lot of entities that we, as hams, count as countries for DXCC
credit!

It makes going for the award all that much more fun!!

73,
Ted  K2QMF


On Mon, 18 Nov 2013 16:57:03 -0500 Charlie Cunningham
charlie-cunning...@nc.rr.com writes:
 Well, I will be pleased and my faith in DXCC will be restored when 
 they delete the farce of Scaffold Reef - B.S.- seven- hotel!. As 
 far as I'm concerned, I f you can't sleep on it and prepare meals on 
 it - it ain't a country! I by  any stretch of the imagination! ( I 
 did work BS7H and have it confirmed, but it's not a country!)
 
 73,
 Charlie, K4OTV
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Joe 
 Subich, W4TV
 Sent: Monday, November 18, 2013 3:56 PM
 To: topband@contesting.com
 Subject: Re: Topband: DXCC Desk?
 
 
 Herb,
 
 Get your facts straight ... the issues you raise happened in the 
 main more than 20 years ago.  The latest DXCC rules revision DXCC 
 2000
 has
 greatly simplified (and removed the subjectivity) from the entities 
 criteria (although there are those who can't read a map properly and 
 screw up the separation between Saba and Bonaire).
 
 The current criteria are quite simple and transparent - leaving very 
 little interpretation as to what qualifies as a political entity, 
 or Geographic Separation Entity.  There is simply no opportunity for 
 the backroom politics under the current rules.  In that regard the 
 issues about which you are kvetching have been resolved for 15 years.
 
 73,
 
 ... Joe, W4TV
 
 
 On 11/18/2013 3:33 PM, Herb Schoenbohm wrote:
  Gents... Amateur radio is supposed to be devoid of politics as
 much as
  possible. but the more you dig the worse it gets.  I once attended
 an
  IARU Region II meeting in Jamaica and was amazed by all the
 wheeling and
  dealing going on with DXCC accreditation at the core. That was
 nearly 50
  years ago and it seems not much has changed.  I had even heard
 that the
  ops at 706T where banned from working any 4X4's but the sharp ops
 with a
  wink and a nod just logged VX4*** rather than mentioning anything
 on the
  air. Would the ARRL DXCC Desk discredit a single 4X4 in need of
 this
  one?  I sort of doubt it. At times there are bona fide reasons to
 make
  exception.  Also the creation of private DX preserves by the ARRL
 for
  certain Radio Societies is legend. In fact KP5 (Desecheo) should
 never
  have been granted DXCC status when Mona Island which permits
 visitors
  was refused.  Additionally Water Island, which KP2A fought for
 for
  years, was clearly not part of the USVI and until recently
 administered
  solely by the U.S. Department of interior.  But so the story goes
 that
  hams in Puerto Rico had decided to join the IARU as a distinct
 and
  unique entity apart from the U.S. and the creation of a private
 DXCC
  location was the price the ARRL paid to halt those plans.  The
 DXCC
  rules have been anything but consistant and have been bent and
 twisted
  like a heavily gerrymander congressional district to purposely
 include
  or exclude  voters of certain just to satisfy some.
 
 
  Herb Schoenbohm, KV4FZ
 
 
 
 
 
 
  On 11/18/2013 3:47 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
 
  Len,
 
  Why, you might ask after all this suffering, is that this
 nation
  still is not recognazid as a separate entity to this very small 
  world  of the global assembly that Ham radio really is?
 
  Ask the Serbs and Russians why they blocked Kosovar membership in
 the
  UN and prevented ITU from assigning a callsign block, dialing
 prefix
  and internet TLD?  If the Serbs and Russians recognize the
 Palestine
  they could certainly allow Kosovo similar international
 privileges.
 
  Kosovo is recognized by the US as an independent state (see:
  http://www.state.gov/s/inr/rls/4250.htm) and like the EU the US 
  maintains diplomatic relations with Kosovo.  Unfortunately, the 
  DXCC Rules (see:
 http://www.arrl.org/files/file/DXCC/DXCC%20Rules.pdf)
  do not include the US DOS Independent States in the World 
 listing as
  a qualifying option for a Political (Rule 1) Entity.
 
  73,
 
 ... Joe, W4TV
 
 
 
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Re: Topband: DXCC Desk?

2013-11-18 Thread k2qmf
Charlie,

I am sure that if he could he sure would!!!

73,
Ted  K2QMF

On Mon, 18 Nov 2013 17:22:55 -0500 Charlie Cunningham
charlie-cunning...@nc.rr.com writes:
 Well, maybe so, Ted. But I'd be really impressed if Martti would 
 mount a
 major expedition to North Korea!
 
 73,,
 Charlie, K4OTV
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of
 k2...@juno.com
 Sent: Monday, November 18, 2013 5:05 PM
 To: charlie-cunning...@nc.rr.com
 Cc: li...@subich.com; topband@contesting.com
 Subject: Re: Topband: DXCC Desk?
 
 Hi Charlie,
 
 There are a lot of entities that we, as hams, count as countries 
 for DXCC
 credit!
 
 It makes going for the award all that much more fun!!
 
 73,
 Ted  K2QMF
 
 
 On Mon, 18 Nov 2013 16:57:03 -0500 Charlie Cunningham
 charlie-cunning...@nc.rr.com writes:
  Well, I will be pleased and my faith in DXCC will be restored when 
 
  they delete the farce of Scaffold Reef - B.S.- seven- hotel!. 
 As 
  far as I'm concerned, I f you can't sleep on it and prepare meals 
 on 
  it - it ain't a country! I by  any stretch of the imagination! ( 
 I 
  did work BS7H and have it confirmed, but it's not a country!)
  
  73,
  Charlie, K4OTV
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of 
 Joe 
  Subich, W4TV
  Sent: Monday, November 18, 2013 3:56 PM
  To: topband@contesting.com
  Subject: Re: Topband: DXCC Desk?
  
  
  Herb,
  
  Get your facts straight ... the issues you raise happened in the 
 
  main more than 20 years ago.  The latest DXCC rules revision DXCC 
 
  2000
  has
  greatly simplified (and removed the subjectivity) from the 
 entities 
  criteria (although there are those who can't read a map properly 
 and 
  screw up the separation between Saba and Bonaire).
  
  The current criteria are quite simple and transparent - leaving 
 very 
  little interpretation as to what qualifies as a political 
 entity, 
  or Geographic Separation Entity.  There is simply no opportunity 
 for 
  the backroom politics under the current rules.  In that regard the 
 
  issues about which you are kvetching have been resolved for 15 
 years.
  
  73,
  
  ... Joe, W4TV
  
  
  On 11/18/2013 3:33 PM, Herb Schoenbohm wrote:
   Gents... Amateur radio is supposed to be devoid of politics as
  much as
   possible. but the more you dig the worse it gets.  I once 
 attended
  an
   IARU Region II meeting in Jamaica and was amazed by all the
  wheeling and
   dealing going on with DXCC accreditation at the core. That was
  nearly 50
   years ago and it seems not much has changed.  I had even heard
  that the
   ops at 706T where banned from working any 4X4's but the sharp 
 ops
  with a
   wink and a nod just logged VX4*** rather than mentioning 
 anything
  on the
   air. Would the ARRL DXCC Desk discredit a single 4X4 in need 
 of
  this
   one?  I sort of doubt it. At times there are bona fide reasons 
 to
  make
   exception.  Also the creation of private DX preserves by the 
 ARRL
  for
   certain Radio Societies is legend. In fact KP5 (Desecheo) 
 should
  never
   have been granted DXCC status when Mona Island which permits
  visitors
   was refused.  Additionally Water Island, which KP2A fought for
  for
   years, was clearly not part of the USVI and until recently
  administered
   solely by the U.S. Department of interior.  But so the story 
 goes
  that
   hams in Puerto Rico had decided to join the IARU as a distinct
  and
   unique entity apart from the U.S. and the creation of a private
  DXCC
   location was the price the ARRL paid to halt those plans.  The
  DXCC
   rules have been anything but consistant and have been bent and
  twisted
   like a heavily gerrymander congressional district to purposely
  include
   or exclude  voters of certain just to satisfy some.
  
  
   Herb Schoenbohm, KV4FZ
  
  
  
  
  
  
   On 11/18/2013 3:47 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
  
   Len,
  
   Why, you might ask after all this suffering, is that this
  nation
   still is not recognazid as a separate entity to this very 
 small 
   world  of the global assembly that Ham radio really is?
  
   Ask the Serbs and Russians why they blocked Kosovar membership 
 in
  the
   UN and prevented ITU from assigning a callsign block, dialing
  prefix
   and internet TLD?  If the Serbs and Russians recognize the
  Palestine
   they could certainly allow Kosovo similar international
  privileges.
  
   Kosovo is recognized by the US as an independent state (see:
   http://www.state.gov/s/inr/rls/4250.htm) and like the EU the US 
 
   maintains diplomatic relations with Kosovo.  Unfortunately, the 
 
   DXCC Rules (see:
  http://www.arrl.org/files/file/DXCC/DXCC%20Rules.pdf)
   do not include the US DOS Independent States in the World 
  listing as
   a qualifying option for a Political (Rule 1) Entity.
  
   73,
  
  ... Joe, W4TV
  
  
  
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Re: Topband: DXCC Desk?

2013-11-18 Thread Bob Kupps
Yeah DXCC stopped being interesting for me back when the the UN HQ building in 
NYC was declared to be a country; maybe it isn't even on the list anymore I 
haven't checked for decades...



On Tuesday, November 19, 2013 4:02 AM, Herb Schoenbohm he...@vitelcom.net 
wrote:
 
Gents... Amateur radio is supposed to be devoid of politics as much as 
possible. but the more you dig the worse it gets.  I once attended an 
IARU Region II meeting in Jamaica and was amazed by all the wheeling and 
dealing going on with DXCC accreditation at the core. That was nearly 50 
years ago and it seems not much has changed.  I had even heard that the 
ops at 706T where banned from working any 4X4's but the sharp ops with a 
wink and a nod just logged VX4*** rather than mentioning anything on the 
air. Would the ARRL DXCC Desk discredit a single 4X4 in need of this 
one?  I sort of doubt it. At times there are bona fide reasons to make 
exception.  Also the creation of private DX preserves by the ARRL for 
certain Radio Societies is legend. In fact KP5 (Desecheo) should never 
have been granted DXCC status when Mona Island which permits visitors 
was refused.  Additionally Water Island, which KP2A fought for for 
years, was clearly not part of the USVI and until recently administered 
solely by the U.S. Department of interior.  But so the story goes that 
hams in Puerto Rico had decided to join the IARU as a distinct and 
unique entity apart from the U.S. and the creation of a private DXCC 
location was the price the ARRL paid to halt those plans.  The DXCC 
rules have been anything but consistant and have been bent and twisted 
like a heavily gerrymander congressional district to purposely include 
or exclude  voters of certain just to satisfy some.


Herb Schoenbohm, KV4FZ






On 11/18/2013 3:47 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:

 Len,

 Why, you might ask after all this suffering, is that this nation
 still is not recognazid as a separate entity to this very small
 world  of the global assembly that Ham radio really is?

 Ask the Serbs and Russians why they blocked Kosovar membership in the
 UN and prevented ITU from assigning a callsign block, dialing prefix
 and internet TLD?  If the Serbs and Russians recognize the Palestine
 they could certainly allow Kosovo similar international privileges.

 Kosovo is recognized by the US as an independent state (see:
 http://www.state.gov/s/inr/rls/4250.htm) and like the EU the US
 maintains diplomatic relations with Kosovo.  Unfortunately, the
 DXCC Rules (see: http://www.arrl.org/files/file/DXCC/DXCC%20Rules.pdf)
 do not include the US DOS Independent States in the World listing as
 a qualifying option for a Political (Rule 1) Entity.

 73,

    ... Joe, W4TV



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Re: Topband: DXCC Desk?

2013-11-18 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV


Unfortunately BS Reef is one of those pre-1998 countries that
continue on the list in spite of not meeting current criteria.  On
the other hand, I would not object to simply deleting any entity
that did not meet the current standards.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 11/18/2013 4:57 PM, Charlie Cunningham wrote:

Well, I will be pleased and my faith in DXCC will be restored when they
delete the farce of Scaffold Reef - B.S.- seven- hotel!. As far as I'm
concerned, I f you can't sleep on it and prepare meals on it - it ain't a
country! I by  any stretch of the imagination! ( I did work BS7H and have
it confirmed, but it's not a country!)

73,
Charlie, K4OTV

-Original Message-
From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Joe
Subich, W4TV
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2013 3:56 PM
To: topband@contesting.com
Subject: Re: Topband: DXCC Desk?


Herb,

Get your facts straight ... the issues you raise happened in the main
more than 20 years ago.  The latest DXCC rules revision DXCC 2000 has
greatly simplified (and removed the subjectivity) from the entities
criteria (although there are those who can't read a map properly and
screw up the separation between Saba and Bonaire).

The current criteria are quite simple and transparent - leaving very
little interpretation as to what qualifies as a political entity,
or Geographic Separation Entity.  There is simply no opportunity for
the backroom politics under the current rules.  In that regard the
issues about which you are kvetching have been resolved for 15 years.

73,

 ... Joe, W4TV


On 11/18/2013 3:33 PM, Herb Schoenbohm wrote:

Gents... Amateur radio is supposed to be devoid of politics as much as
possible. but the more you dig the worse it gets.  I once attended an
IARU Region II meeting in Jamaica and was amazed by all the wheeling and
dealing going on with DXCC accreditation at the core. That was nearly 50
years ago and it seems not much has changed.  I had even heard that the
ops at 706T where banned from working any 4X4's but the sharp ops with a
wink and a nod just logged VX4*** rather than mentioning anything on the
air. Would the ARRL DXCC Desk discredit a single 4X4 in need of this
one?  I sort of doubt it. At times there are bona fide reasons to make
exception.  Also the creation of private DX preserves by the ARRL for
certain Radio Societies is legend. In fact KP5 (Desecheo) should never
have been granted DXCC status when Mona Island which permits visitors
was refused.  Additionally Water Island, which KP2A fought for for
years, was clearly not part of the USVI and until recently administered
solely by the U.S. Department of interior.  But so the story goes that
hams in Puerto Rico had decided to join the IARU as a distinct and
unique entity apart from the U.S. and the creation of a private DXCC
location was the price the ARRL paid to halt those plans.  The DXCC
rules have been anything but consistant and have been bent and twisted
like a heavily gerrymander congressional district to purposely include
or exclude  voters of certain just to satisfy some.


Herb Schoenbohm, KV4FZ






On 11/18/2013 3:47 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:


Len,


Why, you might ask after all this suffering, is that this nation
still is not recognazid as a separate entity to this very small
world  of the global assembly that Ham radio really is?


Ask the Serbs and Russians why they blocked Kosovar membership in the
UN and prevented ITU from assigning a callsign block, dialing prefix
and internet TLD?  If the Serbs and Russians recognize the Palestine
they could certainly allow Kosovo similar international privileges.

Kosovo is recognized by the US as an independent state (see:
http://www.state.gov/s/inr/rls/4250.htm) and like the EU the US
maintains diplomatic relations with Kosovo.  Unfortunately, the
DXCC Rules (see: http://www.arrl.org/files/file/DXCC/DXCC%20Rules.pdf)
do not include the US DOS Independent States in the World listing as
a qualifying option for a Political (Rule 1) Entity.

73,

... Joe, W4TV




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Re: Topband: DXCC Desk?

2013-11-18 Thread Charlie Cunningham
Well, I'd be in favor of that, Joe! Even though I have it confirmed, I've
always regarded Scaffold Reef to be an absolute farce!

73,
Charlie, K4OTV





-Original Message-
From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Joe
Subich, W4TV
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2013 7:47 PM
To: topband@contesting.com
Subject: Re: Topband: DXCC Desk?


Unfortunately BS Reef is one of those pre-1998 countries that
continue on the list in spite of not meeting current criteria.  On
the other hand, I would not object to simply deleting any entity
that did not meet the current standards.

73,

... Joe, W4TV


On 11/18/2013 4:57 PM, Charlie Cunningham wrote:
 Well, I will be pleased and my faith in DXCC will be restored when they
 delete the farce of Scaffold Reef - B.S.- seven- hotel!. As far as I'm
 concerned, I f you can't sleep on it and prepare meals on it - it ain't a
 country! I by  any stretch of the imagination! ( I did work BS7H and
have
 it confirmed, but it's not a country!)

 73,
 Charlie, K4OTV

 -Original Message-
 From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Joe
 Subich, W4TV
 Sent: Monday, November 18, 2013 3:56 PM
 To: topband@contesting.com
 Subject: Re: Topband: DXCC Desk?


 Herb,

 Get your facts straight ... the issues you raise happened in the main
 more than 20 years ago.  The latest DXCC rules revision DXCC 2000 has
 greatly simplified (and removed the subjectivity) from the entities
 criteria (although there are those who can't read a map properly and
 screw up the separation between Saba and Bonaire).

 The current criteria are quite simple and transparent - leaving very
 little interpretation as to what qualifies as a political entity,
 or Geographic Separation Entity.  There is simply no opportunity for
 the backroom politics under the current rules.  In that regard the
 issues about which you are kvetching have been resolved for 15 years.

 73,

  ... Joe, W4TV


 On 11/18/2013 3:33 PM, Herb Schoenbohm wrote:
 Gents... Amateur radio is supposed to be devoid of politics as much as
 possible. but the more you dig the worse it gets.  I once attended an
 IARU Region II meeting in Jamaica and was amazed by all the wheeling and
 dealing going on with DXCC accreditation at the core. That was nearly 50
 years ago and it seems not much has changed.  I had even heard that the
 ops at 706T where banned from working any 4X4's but the sharp ops with a
 wink and a nod just logged VX4*** rather than mentioning anything on the
 air. Would the ARRL DXCC Desk discredit a single 4X4 in need of this
 one?  I sort of doubt it. At times there are bona fide reasons to make
 exception.  Also the creation of private DX preserves by the ARRL for
 certain Radio Societies is legend. In fact KP5 (Desecheo) should never
 have been granted DXCC status when Mona Island which permits visitors
 was refused.  Additionally Water Island, which KP2A fought for for
 years, was clearly not part of the USVI and until recently administered
 solely by the U.S. Department of interior.  But so the story goes that
 hams in Puerto Rico had decided to join the IARU as a distinct and
 unique entity apart from the U.S. and the creation of a private DXCC
 location was the price the ARRL paid to halt those plans.  The DXCC
 rules have been anything but consistant and have been bent and twisted
 like a heavily gerrymander congressional district to purposely include
 or exclude  voters of certain just to satisfy some.


 Herb Schoenbohm, KV4FZ






 On 11/18/2013 3:47 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:

 Len,

 Why, you might ask after all this suffering, is that this nation
 still is not recognazid as a separate entity to this very small
 world  of the global assembly that Ham radio really is?

 Ask the Serbs and Russians why they blocked Kosovar membership in the
 UN and prevented ITU from assigning a callsign block, dialing prefix
 and internet TLD?  If the Serbs and Russians recognize the Palestine
 they could certainly allow Kosovo similar international privileges.

 Kosovo is recognized by the US as an independent state (see:
 http://www.state.gov/s/inr/rls/4250.htm) and like the EU the US
 maintains diplomatic relations with Kosovo.  Unfortunately, the
 DXCC Rules (see: http://www.arrl.org/files/file/DXCC/DXCC%20Rules.pdf)
 do not include the US DOS Independent States in the World listing as
 a qualifying option for a Political (Rule 1) Entity.

 73,

 ... Joe, W4TV



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Re: Topband: DXCC Desk?

2013-11-18 Thread k2qmf
You are missing out on all the fun 

On Mon, 18 Nov 2013 15:41:47 -0800 (PST) Bob Kupps n...@yahoo.com
writes:
 Yeah DXCC stopped being interesting for me back when the the UN HQ 
 building in NYC was declared to be a country; maybe it isn't even 
 on the list anymore I haven't checked for decades...
 
 
 
 On Tuesday, November 19, 2013 4:02 AM, Herb Schoenbohm 
 he...@vitelcom.net wrote:
  
 Gents... Amateur radio is supposed to be devoid of politics as much 
 as 
 possible. but the more you dig the worse it gets.  I once attended 
 an 
 IARU Region II meeting in Jamaica and was amazed by all the wheeling 
 and 
 dealing going on with DXCC accreditation at the core. That was 
 nearly 50 
 years ago and it seems not much has changed.  I had even heard that 
 the 
 ops at 706T where banned from working any 4X4's but the sharp ops 
 with a 
 wink and a nod just logged VX4*** rather than mentioning anything on 
 the 
 air. Would the ARRL DXCC Desk discredit a single 4X4 in need of 
 this 
 one?  I sort of doubt it. At times there are bona fide reasons to 
 make 
 exception.  Also the creation of private DX preserves by the ARRL 
 for 
 certain Radio Societies is legend. In fact KP5 (Desecheo) should 
 never 
 have been granted DXCC status when Mona Island which permits 
 visitors 
 was refused.  Additionally Water Island, which KP2A fought for for 
 years, was clearly not part of the USVI and until recently 
 administered 
 solely by the U.S. Department of interior.  But so the story goes 
 that 
 hams in Puerto Rico had decided to join the IARU as a distinct and 
 unique entity apart from the U.S. and the creation of a private DXCC 
 
 location was the price the ARRL paid to halt those plans.  The DXCC 
 
 rules have been anything but consistant and have been bent and 
 twisted 
 like a heavily gerrymander congressional district to purposely 
 include 
 or exclude  voters of certain just to satisfy some.
 
 
 Herb Schoenbohm, KV4FZ
 
 
 
 
 
 
 On 11/18/2013 3:47 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
 
  Len,
 
  Why, you might ask after all this suffering, is that this nation
  still is not recognazid as a separate entity to this very small
  world  of the global assembly that Ham radio really is?
 
  Ask the Serbs and Russians why they blocked Kosovar membership in 
 the
  UN and prevented ITU from assigning a callsign block, dialing 
 prefix
  and internet TLD?  If the Serbs and Russians recognize the 
 Palestine
  they could certainly allow Kosovo similar international 
 privileges.
 
  Kosovo is recognized by the US as an independent state (see:
  http://www.state.gov/s/inr/rls/4250.htm) and like the EU the US
  maintains diplomatic relations with Kosovo.  Unfortunately, the
  DXCC Rules (see: 
 http://www.arrl.org/files/file/DXCC/DXCC%20Rules.pdf)
  do not include the US DOS Independent States in the World 
 listing as
  a qualifying option for a Political (Rule 1) Entity.
 
  73,
 
 ... Joe, W4TV
 
 
 
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Re: Topband: DXCC Fairness

2012-09-19 Thread Herb Schoenbohm

On 9/19/2012 1:17 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
Talk about DXCC fairness -- it's FAR easier to work DXCC with a modest 
station anywhere around the Atlantic, or within 1000 km of it, than it 
is from the Pacific.  I've got a very nice antenna farm and have taken 
the time to become a competitive contester, but I am almost never able 
to work DXCC in a weekend contest, all bands combined. But guys on the 
east coast consider it trivially easy. The difference is especially 
striking on Topband -- there are often openings from EU to eastern NA, 
whereas we might HEAR a dozen signals a YEAR out here in California.  
It took me four years to work 100 countries on 160, and two years 
later I'm at 125. I haven't heard EU for two years.


73, Jim K9YC
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UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK

Jim,

 Hold on as help is on the way.  With the new remote control interfaces 
like Remote Rig and Icom's RS-BAS1 there is no need to be in a bad 
location as long as you have a good internet connection. Some contests 
are changing the rules by including the Extreme Category which permits 
such operation.  The DXCC rules once required you to start over when you 
cross state line or call zone boundaries.  Now you can be anywhere in 
the U.S. and the credits keep piling up.  I don't think the ARRL, based 
on their pedantic history, will be fast to jump on allowing remote 
stations (inside the same country) for DXCC purposes, but it will happen 
eventually. More and more of their members are hopelessly trapped in 
gate communities, condominiums, and urban settings were participation in 
their hobby is just not very satisfying.  The ARRL must be flexible if 
it wants to serve its membership.  I know there are some on this list 
who will flame me for the suggestion and some who look down their noses 
to people with bad locations and limited lot sizes. But i would like to 
share the thrill to someone on the West Coast to have hundreds of 
Europeans calling during a good contest opening just asmuch as I would 
like to hear what  JA's sound like that I never can hear from my 
location.  I am certain that all of this old way will change with new 
technology devoted to remote control via internet now that some of the 
bugs are out of the process.


Herb Schoenbohm, KV4FZ
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Re: Topband: DXCC Fairness

2012-09-19 Thread mstangelo
Jim,

You can't have your cake and eat it. The West coast has nicer weather than the 
East coast but the left coast ocean is larger...

Maybe there should be an award based on Grid Squares.

Mike N2MS

- Original Message -
From: Jim Brown j...@audiosystemsgroup.com
To: 'TopBand' topband@contesting.com
Sent: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 17:17:35 - (UTC)
Subject: Topband: DXCC Fairness

Talk about DXCC fairness -- it's FAR easier to work DXCC with a modest 
station anywhere around the Atlantic, or within 1000 km of it, than it 
is from the Pacific.  I've got a very nice antenna farm and have taken 
the time to become a competitive contester, but I am almost never able 
to work DXCC in a weekend contest, all bands combined. But guys on the 
east coast consider it trivially easy. The difference is especially 
striking on Topband -- there are often openings from EU to eastern NA, 
whereas we might HEAR a dozen signals a YEAR out here in California.  It 
took me four years to work 100 countries on 160, and two years later I'm 
at 125. I haven't heard EU for two years.

73, Jim K9YC
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Re: Topband: DXCC Fairness

2012-09-19 Thread Jim F.
Excellent observations on DXCC from the East Coast.
I think all Atlantic Coasters should operate QRP -  Just to make it fair.
 
jim / W1FMR  

--- On Wed, 9/19/12, mstang...@comcast.net mstang...@comcast.net wrote:


From: mstang...@comcast.net mstang...@comcast.net
Subject: Re: Topband: DXCC Fairness
To: j...@audiosystemsgroup.com
Cc: 'TopBand' topband@contesting.com
Date: Wednesday, September 19, 2012, 2:36 PM


Jim,

You can't have your cake and eat it. The West coast has nicer weather than the 
East coast but the left coast ocean is larger...

Maybe there should be an award based on Grid Squares.

Mike N2MS

- Original Message -
From: Jim Brown j...@audiosystemsgroup.com
To: 'TopBand' topband@contesting.com
Sent: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 17:17:35 - (UTC)
Subject: Topband: DXCC Fairness

Talk about DXCC fairness -- it's FAR easier to work DXCC with a modest 
station anywhere around the Atlantic, or within 1000 km of it, than it 
is from the Pacific.  I've got a very nice antenna farm and have taken 
the time to become a competitive contester, but I am almost never able 
to work DXCC in a weekend contest, all bands combined. But guys on the 
east coast consider it trivially easy. The difference is especially 
striking on Topband -- there are often openings from EU to eastern NA, 
whereas we might HEAR a dozen signals a YEAR out here in California.  It 
took me four years to work 100 countries on 160, and two years later I'm 
at 125. I haven't heard EU for two years.

73, Jim K9YC
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Re: Topband: DXCC Fairness

2012-09-19 Thread HAROLD SMITH JR

Excellent observations on DXCC from the East Coast.
I think all Atlantic Coasters should operate QRP -  Just to make it fair.
 
jim / W1FMR  



Jim,

When I operated with Merv K9FD at BY1QH in Jan '98 on 160, we observed the 
following: 

The west coast stations, W6  W7s were S7 to S9. Midwest was there but very 
weak. East coast was nonexistent 

except or W4DR on the long path.
I have seen the EU stations over S9 on 80 meters from my mobile in W2land and 
S5 
from W0land. But we do work DX. 

I have 379 total and 184 on 160. 

73..Price W0RI near St. Louis
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Re: Topband: DXCC Fairness

2012-09-19 Thread Felipe Ceglia
Being in PY1 land is just a tad better, but...

We have something extra... when its winter and band have low noise, there
is almost zero activity in northern hemisphere.
We have to operate in summer, copying stuff between static crashes, wild...

73,

Felipe Ceglia - PY1NB
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PR1T team member /// Rio DX Group member /// Araucaria DX Group member
http://dxwatch.com /// http://reversebeacon.net /// http://riodxgroup.com



On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 2:17 PM, Jim Brown j...@audiosystemsgroup.comwrote:

 Talk about DXCC fairness -- it's FAR easier to work DXCC with a modest
 station anywhere around the Atlantic, or within 1000 km of it, than it is
 from the Pacific.  I've got a very nice antenna farm and have taken the
 time to become a competitive contester, but I am almost never able to work
 DXCC in a weekend contest, all bands combined. But guys on the east coast
 consider it trivially easy. The difference is especially striking on
 Topband -- there are often openings from EU to eastern NA, whereas we might
 HEAR a dozen signals a YEAR out here in California.  It took me four years
 to work 100 countries on 160, and two years later I'm at 125. I haven't
 heard EU for two years.

 73, Jim K9YC
 __**_
 UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK

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