Re: [tor-bugs] #20083 [Applications/Tor Browser]: `app.update.enabled` should remove updater UI elements when set to false.

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#20083: `app.update.enabled` should remove updater UI elements when set to 
false.
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 Reporter:  yawning  |  Owner:  tbb-
 |  team
 Type:  enhancement  | Status:  closed
 Priority:  Medium   |  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser |Version:
 Severity:  Normal   | Resolution:  wontfix
 Keywords:  tbb-sandboxing, tbb-usability, tbb-  |  Actual Points:
  update |
Parent ID:   | Points:
 Reviewer:   |Sponsor:
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Changes (by brade):

 * status:  new => closed
 * resolution:   => wontfix


Comment:

 Resolving as wontfix because this is not currently needed.

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Re: [tor-bugs] #20083 [Applications/Tor Browser]: `app.update.enabled` should remove updater UI elements when set to false.

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#20083: `app.update.enabled` should remove updater UI elements when set to 
false.
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 Reporter:  yawning  |  Owner:  tbb-
 |  team
 Type:  enhancement  | Status:  new
 Priority:  Medium   |  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser |Version:
 Severity:  Normal   | Resolution:
 Keywords:  tbb-sandboxing, tbb-usability, tbb-  |  Actual Points:
  update |
Parent ID:   | Points:
 Reviewer:   |Sponsor:
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Comment (by yawning):

 I don't really care about this anymore, since the project I wanted this
 for hasn't been developed for years.

 > Also, OP has misunderstood the pref. It has only ever meant to disable
 AUTO-update CHECKING, not the actual ability to update.

 As people have pointed out two years ago.  This was more of a general
 request for "give me a way to hide every single update related UI
 element", but, again it's a moot point for me personally (though likely
 still something that's nice to have for someone out there).

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Re: [tor-bugs] #20083 [Applications/Tor Browser]: `app.update.enabled` should remove updater UI elements when set to false.

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#20083: `app.update.enabled` should remove updater UI elements when set to 
false.
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 Reporter:  yawning  |  Owner:  tbb-
 |  team
 Type:  enhancement  | Status:  new
 Priority:  Medium   |  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser |Version:
 Severity:  Normal   | Resolution:
 Keywords:  tbb-sandboxing, tbb-usability, tbb-  |  Actual Points:
  update |
Parent ID:   | Points:
 Reviewer:   |Sponsor:
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Comment (by Thorin):

 Note that `app.update.enabled` was removed in FF63+
 (https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/1420514), so I wouldn't waste any resources
 on coding around this. Also, OP has misunderstood the pref. It has only
 ever meant to disable AUTO-update CHECKING, not the actual ability to
 update.

 The pref to stop auto-updating (after the auto-check) is
 `app.update.auto`. In FF65+ this pref is no longer used in Windows (but
 the UI setting is still kept, the value of the pref is kept elsewhere). I
 believe https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1458308 is the ticket

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Re: [tor-bugs] #20083 [Applications/Tor Browser]: `app.update.enabled` should remove updater UI elements when set to false.

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#20083: `app.update.enabled` should remove updater UI elements when set to 
false.
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 Reporter:  yawning  |  Owner:  tbb-
 |  team
 Type:  enhancement  | Status:  new
 Priority:  Medium   |  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser |Version:
 Severity:  Normal   | Resolution:
 Keywords:  tbb-sandboxing, tbb-usability, tbb-  |  Actual Points:
  updater|
Parent ID:   | Points:
 Reviewer:   |Sponsor:
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Changes (by gk):

 * keywords:  tbb-sandboxing, tbb-usability => tbb-sandboxing, tbb-
 usability, tbb-updater


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Re: [tor-bugs] #20083 [Applications/Tor Browser]: `app.update.enabled` should remove updater UI elements when set to false.

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#20083: `app.update.enabled` should remove updater UI elements when set to 
false.
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 Reporter:  yawning|  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  enhancement| Status:  new
 Priority:  Medium |  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser   |Version:
 Severity:  Normal | Resolution:
 Keywords:  tbb-sandboxing, tbb-usability  |  Actual Points:
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Changes (by tseretni-rmd):

 * cc: tseretni-rmd (added)


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Re: [tor-bugs] #20083 [Applications/Tor Browser]: `app.update.enabled` should remove updater UI elements when set to false.

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#20083: `app.update.enabled` should remove updater UI elements when set to 
false.
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 Reporter:  yawning|  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  enhancement| Status:  new
 Priority:  Medium |  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser   |Version:
 Severity:  Normal | Resolution:
 Keywords:  tbb-sandboxing, tbb-usability  |  Actual Points:
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Changes (by dmr):

 * cc: dmr (removed)


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Re: [tor-bugs] #20083 [Applications/Tor Browser]: `app.update.enabled` should remove updater UI elements when set to false.

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#20083: `app.update.enabled` should remove updater UI elements when set to 
false.
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 Reporter:  yawning|  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  enhancement| Status:  new
 Priority:  Medium |  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser   |Version:
 Severity:  Normal | Resolution:
 Keywords:  tbb-sandboxing, tbb-usability  |  Actual Points:
Parent ID: | Points:
 Reviewer: |Sponsor:
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Changes (by dmr):

 * cc: dmr (added)


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Re: [tor-bugs] #20083 [Applications/Tor Browser]: `app.update.enabled` should remove updater UI elements when set to false.

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#20083: `app.update.enabled` should remove updater UI elements when set to 
false.
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 Reporter:  yawning|  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  enhancement| Status:  new
 Priority:  Medium |  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser   |Version:
 Severity:  Normal | Resolution:
 Keywords:  tbb-sandboxing, tbb-usability  |  Actual Points:
Parent ID: | Points:
 Reviewer: |Sponsor:
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Comment (by bugzilla):

 Replying to [comment:4 yawning]:
 > Replying to [comment:3 bugzilla]:
 > > Replying to [ticket:20083 yawning]:
 > > > If the updater is disabled, the UI elements associated with it
 should be hidden.
 > > `app.update.enabled` is about "update", not "updater", so everything
 is fine with it.
 >
 > I don't care what the pref is called, or if it's a separate pref, env
 var, or whatever, as long as it's possible.
 You don't care about Mozilla's prefs, they don't care about your needs ;)
 > > Why do you want to disable auto-updates? Mozilla even made a
 `MozillaMaintananceService` to circumvent different "sandboxes" in order
 to update "sandboxed" browser.
 >
 > Because a sandbox that lets the sandboxed app re-write itself is
 terrible.
 Not itself: browser asks the updater, updater asks for permissions,
 service or user grant them, and updater updates sandboxed browser. (Oh,
 what you've written is even more funny: every polymorphic virus re-writes
 itself in a sandbox :)
 > > And you just want to go back to manual updates.
 >
 > No.
 Phew.
 > > Or do you have something better?
 >
 > Yes.
 Another one updater?
 > ps: *plonk*
 P.S.: cheap wine of inferior quality? ;)

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Re: [tor-bugs] #20083 [Applications/Tor Browser]: `app.update.enabled` should remove updater UI elements when set to false.

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#20083: `app.update.enabled` should remove updater UI elements when set to 
false.
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 Reporter:  yawning|  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  enhancement| Status:  new
 Priority:  Medium |  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser   |Version:
 Severity:  Normal | Resolution:
 Keywords:  tbb-sandboxing, tbb-usability  |  Actual Points:
Parent ID: | Points:
 Reviewer: |Sponsor:
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Comment (by yawning):

 Replying to [comment:3 bugzilla]:
 > Replying to [ticket:20083 yawning]:
 > > If the updater is disabled, the UI elements associated with it should
 be hidden.
 > `app.update.enabled` is about "update", not "updater", so everything is
 fine with it.

 I don't care what the pref is called, or if it's a separate pref, env var,
 or whatever, as long as it's possible.

 > Why do you want to disable auto-updates? Mozilla even made a
 `MozillaMaintananceService` to circumvent different "sandboxes" in order
 to update "sandboxed" browser.

 Because a sandbox that lets the sandboxed app re-write itself is terrible.

 > And you just want to go back to manual updates.

 No.

 > Or do you have something better?

 Yes.

 ps: *plonk*

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Re: [tor-bugs] #20083 [Applications/Tor Browser]: `app.update.enabled` should remove updater UI elements when set to false.

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#20083: `app.update.enabled` should remove updater UI elements when set to 
false.
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 Reporter:  yawning|  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  enhancement| Status:  new
 Priority:  Medium |  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser   |Version:
 Severity:  Normal | Resolution:
 Keywords:  tbb-sandboxing, tbb-usability  |  Actual Points:
Parent ID: | Points:
 Reviewer: |Sponsor:
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Changes (by bugzilla):

 * keywords:  tbb-sandboxing => tbb-sandboxing, tbb-usability


Comment:

 Replying to [ticket:20083 yawning]:
 > If the updater is disabled, the UI elements associated with it should be
 hidden.
 `app.update.enabled` is about "update", not "updater", so everything is
 fine with it.
 Why do you want to disable auto-updates? Mozilla even made a
 `MozillaMaintananceService` to circumvent different "sandboxes" in order
 to update "sandboxed" browser. And you just want to go back to manual
 updates. Or do you have something better?

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Re: [tor-bugs] #20083 [Applications/Tor Browser]: `app.update.enabled` should remove updater UI elements when set to false.

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#20083: `app.update.enabled` should remove updater UI elements when set to 
false.
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 Reporter:  yawning   |  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  enhancement   | Status:  new
 Priority:  Medium|  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser  |Version:
 Severity:  Normal| Resolution:
 Keywords:  tbb-sandboxing|  Actual Points:
Parent ID:| Points:
 Reviewer:|Sponsor:
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Changes (by yawning):

 * keywords:   => tbb-sandboxing


Comment:

 This also applies to the Tor Button menu entry `Check for Tor Browser
 Update` and the `about:tor` built in version check with the black arrow of
 doom.

 Not sure what the best way to approach this is.  Preferably all of this
 will be env var driven so the Linux sandbox doesn't need to write out a
 `prefs.js` file on bundle install, but I'm flexible at this point.

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Re: [tor-bugs] #20083 [Applications/Tor Browser]: `app.update.enabled` should remove updater UI elements when set to false.

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#20083: `app.update.enabled` should remove updater UI elements when set to 
false.
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 Reporter:  yawning   |  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  enhancement   | Status:  new
 Priority:  Medium|  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser  |Version:
 Severity:  Normal| Resolution:
 Keywords:|  Actual Points:
Parent ID:| Points:
 Reviewer:|Sponsor:
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Changes (by mcs):

 * cc: brade, mcs (added)


Comment:

 Unfortunately, app.update.enabled = false really just means "Never check
 for updates automatically" and so, as you point out, it does not remove
 the UI entirely (app.update.auto means automatically check, download, and
 install). Since I don't think we should change the meaning of existing
 Firefox preferences, we will need to add a new pref such as
 `app.update.hideui` or `app.update.manual.allowed`. Better suggestions are
 welcome.

 Also, as far as I know, there is no runtime support in the Mozilla code
 for hiding the UI or completely disabling the updater, so we will need to
 add that logic too.

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[tor-bugs] #20083 [Applications/Tor Browser]: `app.update.enabled` should remove updater UI elements when set to false.

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#20083: `app.update.enabled` should remove updater UI elements when set to 
false.
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 Reporter:  yawning   |  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  enhancement   | Status:  new
 Priority:  Medium|  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser  |Version:
 Severity:  Normal|   Keywords:
Actual Points:|  Parent ID:
   Points:|   Reviewer:
  Sponsor:|
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 I have a use case that requires setting `app.update.enabled` to false.

 This mostly works as I expect, however the UI element for forcing a manual
 update check in the `Help->About Tor Browser` dialog still remains visible
 and functional.  If the updater is disabled, the UI elements associated
 with it should be hidden.

 On a side note, it would be nice if the built in updater could be force
 disabled at launch time via an env var as well, for those most special of
 snowflakes.

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